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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 15, 2016 11:17:09 GMT
Well now I wouldn't say the problem had NOTHING to do with Jar Jar Binks My main issues with the prequels are; 1. Too much political BS that no one really understands 2. Bad acting/directing 3. Dull dialogue 4. Too much dialogue My friend showed me a video of these guys talking about the prequels and they made a really good point. They basically said to try and describe characters from both the original trilogy and prequels but without using appearance or occupation. It's pretty easy for the original characters: Luke is kind of a bright eyed naïveté but brave and courageous. Princess Leia is strong and feisty. Han Solo is scruffy but loveable. Now for the prequel characters: Anakin is.... evil? I don't know. Padme is.... um.... I would say a good leader but that kind of has to do with her occupation. I don't know. Smart? Qui-Gon Jin is... I would say a good mentor but again, occupation. Wise? And so on. I could think up answers immediately for the original characters but I really struggled to think of anything for the prequels. It kind of shows how bland the writing was and how underdeveloped the characters were if you can't really describe anything about them. I haven't seen the movie yet either @harvey so don't worry. I hope I can sometime on the weekend maybe or maybe next weekend. There's always buying it on DVD too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 12:00:28 GMT
1. Too much political BS that no one really understands 2. Bad acting/directing 3. Dull dialogue 4. Too much dialogue Basically yeah, especially the first point. All that boring political stuff - which didn't even make a lick of sense - was what those films were ABOUT, as far as I could tell, because it's apparently important to know how the Empire came to be. I suppose you could say that they're about the rise and fall of Anakin, but everything we needed to know about his backstory was summed up in one sentence in Episode IV... and then you watch the prequels, and there's all kinds of inconsistencies and contradictions which start to make your head hurt. My friend showed me a video of these guys talking about the prequels and they made a really good point. They basically said to try and describe characters from both the original trilogy and prequels but without using appearance or occupation That's gotta be a segment from those Plinkett reviews I was talking about, because they do the exact same thing. They're seriously worth watching in their entirely if you ever have a free afternoon. Like I said, the humor can get a bit dark and strange, and they're probably not to everyone's taste... which is unfortunate I suppose, because he makes some really brilliant points about these movies. Eh:- redlettermedia.com/plinkett/
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 15, 2016 12:33:39 GMT
1. Too much political BS that no one really understands 2. Bad acting/directing 3. Dull dialogue 4. Too much dialogue Basically yeah, especially the first point. All that boring political stuff - which didn't even make a lick of sense - was what those films were ABOUT, as far as I could tell, because it's apparently important to know how the Empire came to be. I suppose you could say that they're about the rise and fall of Anakin, but everything we needed to know about his backstory was summed up in one sentence in Episode IV... and then you watch the prequels, and there's all kinds of inconsistencies and contradictions which start to make your head hurt. My friend showed me a video of these guys talking about the prequels and they made a really good point. They basically said to try and describe characters from both the original trilogy and prequels but without using appearance or occupation That's gotta be a segment from those Plinkett reviews I was talking about, because they do the exact same thing. They're seriously worth watching in their entirely if you ever have a free afternoon. Like I said, the humor can get a bit dark and strange, and they're probably not to everyone's taste... which is unfortunate I suppose, because he makes some really brilliant points about these movies. Eh:- redlettermedia.com/plinkett/One inconsistency I'll never get over is when Leia says she remembers her mom a little bit in Episode VI but obviously in III she's shown dying right after giving birth.
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Post by thyarchery on Jan 15, 2016 21:24:54 GMT
Well now I wouldn't say the problem had NOTHING to do with Jar Jar Binks
My main issues with the prequels are; 1. Too much political BS that no one really understands2. Bad acting/directing 3. Dull dialogue 4. Too much dialogue My friend showed me a video of these guys talking about the prequels and they made a really good point. They basically said to try and describe characters from both the original trilogy and prequels but without using appearance or occupation. It's pretty easy for the original characters: Luke is kind of a bright eyed naïveté but brave and courageous. Princess Leia is strong and feisty. Han Solo is scruffy but loveable. Now for the prequel characters: Anakin is.... evil? I don't know.Padme is.... um.... I would say a good leader but that kind of has to do with her occupation. I don't know. Smart? Qui-Gon Jin is... I would say a good mentor but again, occupation. Wise? And so on. I could think up answers immediately for the original characters but I really struggled to think of anything for the prequels. It kind of shows how bland the writing was and how underdeveloped the characters were if you can't really describe anything about them. I haven't seen the movie yet either @harvey so don't worry. I hope I can sometime on the weekend maybe or maybe next weekend. There's always buying it on DVD too. Hahaha, the Jar Jar Bink thing was just a joke...he alone couldn't ruin anything- yet for some reason he became the poster...boy? of the prequel's fails. I agree that he's a disposable character though. Now about the politics, I think it's not so difficult to understand the plot. My History teacher once said that it was a reference to the seizing of the power by the Nazis and I do agree with him. Basically, Palpatine is sort of a less combative, more astute Hitler in his quest for the dominion of the Reichstag. I specially love the characters of Padme and Anakin, precisely because of their ambiguity. Both are essentially good at the beginning, even if Anakin is a bit of a show-offer at times, both are talented and apparently, fit perfectly in what it's expected for both of them- Anakin to be a Jedi, Padme to be a ruler. Their bane is not being able of making heir own choices Edited: Neither have I. Harvey, Bogo, let's meet up or something to watch it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 22:20:10 GMT
Now about the politics, I think it's not so difficult to understand the plot. My History teacher once said that it was a reference to the seizing of the power by the Nazis and I do agree with him. Basically, Palpatine is sort of a less combative, more astute Hitler in his quest for the dominion of the Reichstag. It's not thematically difficult to understand, but it's difficult to understand in the sense of it being a big dumb mess where no one is acting logically - except Sidious, who was the only character who seemed to know what he was doing.* Maybe he was using his Sith powers to make everyone on the Jedi Council, everyone in the Senate, everyone in the Trade Federation and basically everyone in the galaxy incredibly stupid, I don't know. *And even he had his moments. I've never figured out what he planned to do if Dooku was all like "Yo Anakin, this guy is the Sith Lord you've been looking for" at the beginning of Episode III.
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Post by thyarchery on Jan 15, 2016 22:33:38 GMT
Now about the politics, I think it's not so difficult to understand the plot. My History teacher once said that it was a reference to the seizing of the power by the Nazis and I do agree with him. Basically, Palpatine is sort of a less combative, more astute Hitler in his quest for the dominion of the Reichstag. It's not thematically difficult to understand, but it's difficult to understand in the sense of it being a big dumb mess where no one is acting logically - except Sidious, who was the only character who seemed to know what he was doing.* Maybe he was using his Sith powers to make everyone on the Jedi Council, everyone in the Senate, everyone in the Trade Federation and basically everyone in the galaxy incredibly stupid, I don't know. *And even he had his moments. I've never figured out what he planned to do if Dooku was all like "Yo Anakin, this guy is the Sith Lord you've been looking for" at the beginning of Episode III. Dude, people there have light sabers, mystical powers and robots that can think and feel for themselves. Are you really asking for sense? But yes, I get your point. I guess that the fact that those movies were released in my early teenage years has something to do with the fact I like them so much.
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Post by Mohican. on Jan 16, 2016 9:07:03 GMT
Does this new film have something fantastic equivalent to Slave Leia's metal bikini? Have you taken a look at Daisy Ridley? She doesn't need a metal bikini to look fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 9:38:12 GMT
It's not thematically difficult to understand, but it's difficult to understand in the sense of it being a big dumb mess where no one is acting logically - except Sidious, who was the only character who seemed to know what he was doing.* Maybe he was using his Sith powers to make everyone on the Jedi Council, everyone in the Senate, everyone in the Trade Federation and basically everyone in the galaxy incredibly stupid, I don't know. *And even he had his moments. I've never figured out what he planned to do if Dooku was all like "Yo Anakin, this guy is the Sith Lord you've been looking for" at the beginning of Episode III. Dude, people there have light sabers, mystical powers and robots that can think and feel for themselves. Are you really asking for sense? But yes, I get your point. I guess that the fact that those movies were released in my early teenage years has something to do with the fact I like them so much. Yeah, it's not a case of nitpicking the unrealistic elements of some science fantasy movies. Lightsabers and the force are pure fantasy, and I'm fine with all of that. It's more about the lack of a coherent story, where everyone is dumb and everything that happens is dumb. And I'm not one of those people who disregards something as canon just because they don't like it, so as far as I'm concerned these films completely screwed up the backstory to Star Wars - if that's a story that even NEEDED to be told.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 17, 2016 22:04:09 GMT
I just got back from seeing it! I quite liked it. It's definitely better than the prequels, but not as good as the originals (nothing ever will be anyway). My main criticism is that it borrowed too much from the plot of the original. I got the sense they wanted to do a modern retelling for the new generation, not really trying to create a new story. I couldn't help but think every time I saw a certain character that it was a 2.0 of a character from the original. Too many "2.0s." And it does feel incomplete by the end but they're obviously setting it up for the sequels. Overall a solid film. Good acting, good writing, good dialogue. The political nonsense is toned down by about 20 notches, so there's that. Special FX are what you would expect. Some questions left unanswered that I assume will be addressed in the sequels. Overall I give it a 4/5. Recommended viewing for any Star Wars fan.
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