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Post by Amanda on Feb 26, 2016 14:19:46 GMT
Have any other artists that work for Sony spoken about this? I'm seriously wondering if Sony threatened their artists to not speak about this issue, since many are now boycotting Sony and speaking badly about it. If I'm not wrong, Kelly is at Sony. But the biggest support I guess was from Adele when she mentioned Kesha, but since she's such a big star I don't think she has to worry about her relationship with Sony by speaking up on Kesha - which smaller artists might be afraid of. And the thing bout never knowing the truth, that is basically the case for all rape cases. It's very very hard to prove rape even tho a story might seem bulletproof or someone even noticed it. Many excuses are being made in particular rape cases so I think it would still be good if avril and more artists tweeted about it. That they believe her, even if they don't believe her at least show support for the horrible situation she is in right now
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Post by ben545 on Feb 26, 2016 14:21:28 GMT
There is no "free Kesha" thread. I can't find it anyway.
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Post by sam on Feb 26, 2016 14:53:17 GMT
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Post by ben545 on Feb 28, 2016 2:25:58 GMT
Some footage of Avril working on an album with Dr Luke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 5:46:18 GMT
Have any other artists that work for Sony spoken about this? I'm seriously wondering if Sony threatened their artists to not speak about this issue, since many are now boycotting Sony and speaking badly about it. If I'm not wrong, Kelly is at Sony. But the biggest support I guess was from Adele when she mentioned Kesha, but since she's such a big star I don't think she has to worry about her relationship with Sony by speaking up on Kesha - which smaller artists might be afraid of. And the thing bout never knowing the truth, that is basically the case for all rape cases. It's very very hard to prove rape even tho a story might seem bulletproof or someone even noticed it. Many excuses are being made in particular rape cases so I think it would still be good if avril and more artists tweeted about it. That they believe her, even if they don't believe her at least show support for the horrible situation she is in right now So if someone doesn't believe her they should Tweet support anyway? Sounds odd to me.
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Post by Mohican. on Mar 3, 2016 9:00:07 GMT
Because she doesn't have the balls. A lot of female musicans who work or have worked with Luke don't say a word in public and I think it doesn't take much to guess why. This is a very nasty issue when you're asking me. One guy having so much power over women and a record company that supports his actions to save money clearly shows in what kind of society we are living.
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Post by Mohican. on Mar 3, 2016 9:14:53 GMT
Judging by Cookie Monster's video I'm glad Avril has kept quiet too. If Kesha has lied under oath in the past it makes her unbelievable in the future. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to decieve. Either way this guy Dr Luke is nobody's fool. This is so unbelievable of you guys. Do you know why women hardly tell when they have been raped? Yeah, exactly, because then everyone says they are lying. Kesha's issue is none of our buisness, but she's a girl in public so this of course can not be kept shut from the public either, but seriously if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. There's nothing worse than this. Why, for god's sake, why would Kesha lie about this and torture herself? She's gaining nothing out of it. It's lame to side with a manipulating producer just because we know he helped Avril, cause after all we know he saved his own ass as well cause he co-wrote Girlfriend and was responsible for it. A lot of females have complained about him in the past, but what Kesha went through has reached a new peak. She went to rehab in case you didn't know, cause of the things she went through. She had a melt down and no drug issue. No one makes that up unless they feel really terrible. It took her time to decide how to deal with Luke and that surely wasn't an easy descion either. I can only repeat what I have said above: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by Light02 on Mar 3, 2016 10:59:40 GMT
I don't know if someone already mentioned this but when Kesha went into rehab it was because Dr. Luke was making fun of her weight and she developed an eating disorder.
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Post by ben545 on Mar 3, 2016 13:09:55 GMT
Judging by Cookie Monster's video I'm glad Avril has kept quiet too. If Kesha has lied under oath in the past it makes her unbelievable in the future. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to decieve. Either way this guy Dr Luke is nobody's fool. This is so unbeliebable of you guys. Do you know why women hardly tell when they have been raped? Yeah, exactly, because then everyone says they are lying. Kesha's issue is none of our buisness, but she's a girl in public so this of course can not be kept shut from the public either, but seriously if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. There's nothing worse than this. Why, for god's sake, why would Kesha lie about this and torture herself? She's gaining nothing out of it. It's lame to side with a manipulating producer just because we know he helped Avril, cause after all we know he saved his own ass as well cause he co-wrote Girlfriend and was responsible for it. A lot of females have complained about him in the past, but what Kesha went through has reached a new peak. She went to rehab in case you didn't know, cause of the things she went through. She had a melt down and no drug issue. No one makes that up unless they feel really terrible. It took her time to decide how to deal with Luke and that surely wasn't an easy descion either. I can only repeat what I have said above: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. Mohican, none of us really knows the truth. There is evidence on both sides of the story supporting both Dr Luke's story and Kesha's story. All we know is that one of them is definitely lieing. Once again I'll repeat myself by saying I'm glad Avril hasn't spoken out about this because nobody really knows the truth (staying on topic).
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Post by ben545 on Mar 3, 2016 14:12:17 GMT
Because she doesn't have the balls. A lot of female musicans who work or have worked with Luke don't say a word in public and I think it doesn't take much to guess why. This is a very nasty issue when you're asking me. One guy having so much power over women and a record company that supports his actions to save money clearly shows in what kind of society we are living. None of the women who have worked with Dr Luke have spoken out about this issue: Kelly Clarkson, Rihanna, Pink, Katy Perry, etc.... Is it because they don't have the balls or is it because they think Dr Luke probably didn't do the things Kesha claims or is it because they don't really have an opinion because they don't really know.
I know that people that are very good at their jobs can easily become bullies at work and Dr Luke is definitely good at his job. Take that wanker, the music video producer, Luke Khan having a go at Avril and her fans on his Twitter account. The only reason he can get away with behaviour like that is because he's good at his job but treating people like that is bound to generate resentment and hatred. For Kesha to hate this guy so much for psychological abuse at work that she should accuse him of sexual assault (not rape if you look at the facts) would be a despicable thing to do. Almost an unbelievably despicable thing to do but I know from personal experience that people at work. can really wind you up and generate a lot of resentment and hatred.
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Post by Amanda on Mar 3, 2016 14:35:26 GMT
Judging by Cookie Monster's video I'm glad Avril has kept quiet too. If Kesha has lied under oath in the past it makes her unbelievable in the future. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to decieve. Either way this guy Dr Luke is nobody's fool. This is so unbeliebable of you guys. Do you know why women hardly tell when they have been raped? Yeah, exactly, because then everyone says they are lying. Kesha's issue is none of our buisness, but she's a girl in public so this of course can not be kept shut from the public either, but seriously if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. There's nothing worse than this. Why, for god's sake, why would Kesha lie about this and torture herself? She's gaining nothing out of it. It's lame to side with a manipulating producer just because we know he helped Avril, cause after all we know he saved his own ass as well cause he co-wrote Girlfriend and was responsible for it. A lot of females have complained about him in the past, but what Kesha went through has reached a new peak. She went to rehab in case you didn't know, cause of the things she went through. She had a melt down and no drug issue. No one makes that up unless they feel really terrible. It took her time to decide how to deal with Luke and that surely wasn't an easy descion either. I can only repeat what I have said above: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. ^ this. Plus I find it funny how dr Luke had a photo on Twitter of Kesha totally blanked out in the studio and him taking a photo of her in bed saying something about sleepy artists, and Kesha said that was one of the nights she woke up naked. And now when it brought to the attention - guess what photo and tweet is deleted from his account? If it was nothing but a innocent photo why try so hard to eliminate it from ever happening. About females not speaking up. Nicki minaj recently worked with dr Luke before this all blew Up. But just days ago she unfollowed him on Twitter aswell as someone else did, and for Nicki to unfollow a producer or singer is a statement - if you're a fan of her you'd know. Aswell as Miley cut her ties with him when she knew what he was doing. The girls seems scared to speak up, but they certainly Have their own opinions about him Showing it in small ways I truly hope even tho avril hasn't said anything, she's not thinking Kesha 100% lied because she think dr Luke is a funny nice dude. That's one of the biggest issues regarding rape victims. That people won't believe because the rapist was known as a nice guy. (Even the guy I knew who was tweeting about women's rights daily and then I found out he had raped many girls including my friends little sister.) and I was one of the ones saying one of the girls lied because no proof and because this guy was the perfect ideal guy in my mind. So I'm just hoping avril isn't totally blind for all the news just because she likes dr Luke.
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Post by Cookie Monster on Mar 3, 2016 14:36:10 GMT
sexual assault (not rape if you look at the facts)
Psychological abuse is not sexual "assault". It's sexual "harassment".
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Post by Cookie Monster on Mar 3, 2016 14:55:18 GMT
The reason I don't want to judge anything in this situation is because years ago in my country, a popular actor alleged of raping a 18 yr old girl killed himself, but after three years it turned out that the rape thing was a stage prepared by a group of people who wanted money. They did have sex, but it wasn't rape.
It seems likely that Dr Luke raped Kesha, but meanwhile Kesha always wanted to be freed from her contract for her musical creativity.
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Post by ben545 on Mar 3, 2016 15:30:40 GMT
Psychological abuse is not sexual "assault". It's sexual "harassment".
I was kind of saying the psychological abuse (about her weight and not letting her have any creative control of her music) could have been so bad that Kesha accused him of sexual assault out of spite. Looking at Dr Luke's Wikipedia page he was not accused of rape but sexual assault. You can imagine her thinking how long have I got to put with this guy and how can I break the contract so I can work with someone else? Again, this is just a subjective opinion.
To be honest what I really think happened was that when Dr Luke and Kesha first met they struck up a sexual relationship at work because Kesha was young, naive and easily manipulated. Dr Luke may have insisted that the relationship would help her career. Then Dr Luke's behaviour towards Kesha became increasingly abusive and disrespectful leading to the current allegations.
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Post by Cookie Monster on Mar 3, 2016 15:33:39 GMT
Psychological abuse is not sexual "assault". It's sexual "harassment".
I was kind of saying the psychological abuse (about her weight and not letting her have any creative control of her music) could have been so bad that Kesha accused him of sexual assault out of spite. Looking at Dr Luke's Wikipedia page he was not accused of rape but sexual assault. You can imagine her thinking how long have I got to put with this guy and how can I break the contract so I can work with someone else? Again, this is just a subjective opinion.
To be honest what I really think happened was that when Dr Luke and Kesha first met they struck up a sexual relationship at work because Kesha was young, naive and easily manipulated. Dr Luke may have insisted that the relationship would help her career. Then Dr Luke's behaviour towards Kesha became increasingly abusive and disrespectful leading to the current allegations.
Um but that's rape. An adult video scenario cliché.
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