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Post by Amanda on Dec 3, 2016 19:37:07 GMT
I'm just not sure if she hs that maturity in her like Adele. Like i'm not sure if she would be able to create lyrics like adele, and use words and language in a very metaphoric way in that sense. I mean even Fly and the more newer songs are so "simple" when talking of the lyrics :/
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Post by goodbye on Dec 3, 2016 19:45:00 GMT
Would you be here for Avril to make an album like Lana Del Rey?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 3, 2016 23:29:14 GMT
I'm just not sure if she hs that maturity in her like Adele. Like i'm not sure if she would be able to create lyrics like adele, and use words and language in a very metaphoric way in that sense. I mean even Fly and the more newer songs are so "simple" when talking of the lyrics :/ I wasn't meaning that she needs to write music like Adele but just that her music is mature and appeals to adults as opposed to trying to appeal to teens. Avril is over 30 now and she looks desperate making these motherfucking princess songstp try to appeal to the teen market. I don't think today's teens like her, they are more into Taylor, Selena, Bieber, etc. and I think Avril wants to move on in a more adult direction. The pop hits haven't been super successful for her, she isn't into it, and most of all she looks desperate trying to be relevant so what's the point in making her continue in this direction? If she released songs more along the lines of GL, GYWYL, HYRM, HH, HH, etc. I think it would suit her and be a better artistic transition for where she is at in her life.
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 4, 2016 1:49:08 GMT
I'm just not sure if she hs that maturity in her like Adele. Like i'm not sure if she would be able to create lyrics like adele, and use words and language in a very metaphoric way in that sense. I mean even Fly and the more newer songs are so "simple" when talking of the lyrics :/ I wasn't meaning that she needs to write music like Adele but just that her music is mature and appeals to adults as opposed to trying to appeal to teens. Avril is over 30 now and she looks desperate making these motherfucking princess songstp try to appeal to the teen market. I don't think today's teens like her, they are more into Taylor, Selena, Bieber, etc. and I think Avril wants to move on in a more adult direction. The pop hits haven't been super successful for her, she isn't into it, and most of all she looks desperate trying to be relevant so what's the point in making her continue in this direction? If she released songs more along the lines of GL, GYWYL, HYRM, HH, HH, etc. I think it would suit her and be a better artistic transition for where she is at in her life. Adele doesn't even create lyrics, she has a team of writers. Great voice, but song writing, producing, and composing she does not do. Sara Barellies on the other hand is the complete package.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 4, 2016 3:08:58 GMT
I wasn't meaning that she needs to write music like Adele but just that her music is mature and appeals to adults as opposed to trying to appeal to teens. Avril is over 30 now and she looks desperate making these motherfucking princess songstp try to appeal to the teen market. I don't think today's teens like her, they are more into Taylor, Selena, Bieber, etc. and I think Avril wants to move on in a more adult direction. The pop hits haven't been super successful for her, she isn't into it, and most of all she looks desperate trying to be relevant so what's the point in making her continue in this direction? If she released songs more along the lines of GL, GYWYL, HYRM, HH, HH, etc. I think it would suit her and be a better artistic transition for where she is at in her life. Adele doesn't even create lyrics, she has a team of writers. Great voice, but song writing, producing, and composing she does not do. Sara Barellies on the other hand is the complete package. Not true at all. She is listed as a writer on every song on her albums and most of them are her and 1 other writer. I'm no Adele fan but she most definitely appears to have a hand in the writing of her songs. That's like saying Avril doesn't write her songs just because it's her and a team of writers who write them.
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Post by Amanda on Dec 4, 2016 11:04:39 GMT
Yeah but do we think Avril wants that step too? For what energy i get from her, she still enjoys the tbdt bop themes and melodies. Like get over me, making a duet with oneokrock a rockband etc... Something is telling me she has not put her pop rock image to the grave yet and that the next album most probably will include a few/or more "pop punk" songs.. But I really would love an album with more maturity and depth, lyrics that isn't just made of rhymes and simple images but more depth. I hope the people she is working with can somehow bring out that part of her, and to lead her in that direction of different lyrics!
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Post by katy on Dec 4, 2016 11:33:20 GMT
I find it so hard to tell what she actually wants to do. She gives off this idea that she wants to have these mature albums (like the struggle with GL) then a tour rolls around and she literally just plays the songs that we assume she's been forced to write and release. If she's so desperate to show this mature side then why never play the songs? If she wants to continue down the WTH/HTNGU/RNR line im more than happy for her to do so but the fanbase just isn't going to hang around. When she does something new and interesting like HH/HH she doesnt bother to show it off, she has enough money to say actually no, stuff a label, I'm gonna do this myself and release what I want, but she never does. That says to me she's either fine with what she's releasing or she isn't fine with it but is quite happy to just do it anyway and take the money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:28:42 GMT
I find it so hard to tell what she actually wants to do. She gives off this idea that she wants to have these mature albums (like the struggle with GL) then a tour rolls around and she literally just plays the songs that we assume she's been forced to write and release. If she's so desperate to show this mature side then why never play the songs? If she wants to continue down the WTH/HTNGU/RNR line im more than happy for her to do so but the fanbase just isn't going to hang around. When she does something new and interesting like HH/HH she doesnt bother to show it off, she has enough money to say actually no, stuff a label, I'm gonna do this myself and release what I want, but she never does. That says to me she's either fine with what she's releasing or she isn't fine with it but is quite happy to just do it anyway and take the money. Well at least you got GYWYL as a single. I can't stand that song personally, but it was surely a step in the direction that a lot of fans seem to want her to go in.
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Post by StrongSweet on Dec 4, 2016 15:46:48 GMT
I find it so hard to tell what she actually wants to do. She gives off this idea that she wants to have these mature albums (like the struggle with GL) then a tour rolls around and she literally just plays the songs that we assume she's been forced to write and release. If she's so desperate to show this mature side then why never play the songs? If she wants to continue down the WTH/HTNGU/RNR line im more than happy for her to do so but the fanbase just isn't going to hang around. When she does something new and interesting like HH/HH she doesnt bother to show it off, she has enough money to say actually no, stuff a label, I'm gonna do this myself and release what I want, but she never does. That says to me she's either fine with what she's releasing or she isn't fine with it but is quite happy to just do it anyway and take the money. That is what makes a songwriter or singer so hard. They will be recieving backlash either from the public or the fans when you change your art. The best way is to do it unexpected instead of trying the please any side
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 4, 2016 17:16:19 GMT
Yeah but do we think Avril wants that step too? For what energy i get from her, she still enjoys the tbdt bop themes and melodies. Like get over me, making a duet with oneokrock a rockband etc... Something is telling me she has not put her pop rock image to the grave yet and that the next album most probably will include a few/or more "pop punk" songs.. But I really would love an album with more maturity and depth, lyrics that isn't just made of rhymes and simple images but more depth. I hope the people she is working with can somehow bring out that part of her, and to lead her in that direction of different lyrics! These aren't her own songs though. She has always done pop/rock music throughout her whole career and I'm not saying she will or should completely abandon that sound or style. I'm sure it will always remain at least part of her sound, even if it's just a few songs on each album and of course she will always play her hits like Complicated, Sk8er Boi, GF, MHE, at her shows. But I think for right now it is difficult to determine what sound she prefers based on a few minor "feature" songs that are by other artists. I'm getting the sense that Avril does want to move in another direction based on GL and the original concept of AL. The way she dressed in those eras was also more mature, with the black leather, dresses, etc. I think that she will always incorporate "rock" into her style, but just maybe in different ways. I find it so hard to tell what she actually wants to do. She gives off this idea that she wants to have these mature albums (like the struggle with GL) then a tour rolls around and she literally just plays the songs that we assume she's been forced to write and release. If she's so desperate to show this mature side then why never play the songs? If she wants to continue down the WTH/HTNGU/RNR line im more than happy for her to do so but the fanbase just isn't going to hang around. When she does something new and interesting like HH/HH she doesnt bother to show it off, she has enough money to say actually no, stuff a label, I'm gonna do this myself and release what I want, but she never does. That says to me she's either fine with what she's releasing or she isn't fine with it but is quite happy to just do it anyway and take the money. This is something I've never gotten either but at the same time I can sort of understand it from a musician's perspective. She mostly plays big arenas and theaters on her tours. Playing soft ballads doesn't suit those venues. If she were playing small clubs and more intimate settings like the Roxy Theater and places like that, a more intimate kind of show would make sense. But for the sizes of the venues she's playing it just doesn't make any sense. When I went to see her, I saw her at a theater that holds about 4,000 people. The songs I enjoyed the best were definitely the uptempo numbers because it was fun to sing along, dance, jump around, etc. The ballads were nice and all, but it just wasn't "fun" if you get what I mean. The energy in the room dropped whenever she played a slow song. Hence why a set like that would make more sense in a more intimate venue where people can just sit and listen. I know that for the BST that was what she originally wanted, but for whatever reason it changed to the big arenas. Personally I would love to see Avril do a small theater/club tour like Lady Gaga has done recently. To me she has always sounded the best in acoustic settings, the acoustic set she did at the Roxy Theater in 2008 is one of my favorite shows she's done. And if her new music leans in this direction, it would work really well and make sense to do a tour like this. She doesn't sell out the big arenas anymore, especially in the US. It just doesn't make any sense at this point to continue doing tours in places that are too big for her to sell tickets for. And if she wants to continue playing the big arenas and bigger venues, that's totally fine, but she has to retool her current shows because she's basically repeated the same thing for the last 2 tours now. I find it so hard to tell what she actually wants to do. She gives off this idea that she wants to have these mature albums (like the struggle with GL) then a tour rolls around and she literally just plays the songs that we assume she's been forced to write and release. If she's so desperate to show this mature side then why never play the songs? If she wants to continue down the WTH/HTNGU/RNR line im more than happy for her to do so but the fanbase just isn't going to hang around. When she does something new and interesting like HH/HH she doesnt bother to show it off, she has enough money to say actually no, stuff a label, I'm gonna do this myself and release what I want, but she never does. That says to me she's either fine with what she's releasing or she isn't fine with it but is quite happy to just do it anyway and take the money. Well at least you got GYWYL as a single. I can't stand that song personally, but it was surely a step in the direction that a lot of fans seem to want her to go in. Technically GYWYL never got a proper release as a single, unfortunately. It was supposed to be released in Feb 2015 as the "worldwide" single after HK but for whatever reason Epic scrapped any promo plans they had for it. Could have possibly been because Avril was really ill at this time and couldn't do any performances. It still made it into the Lifetime movie Babysitter's Black Book and she shot a video for it, but I don't think it ever received a proper radio release and of course no real promo opportunities. It remains a hidden track amongst fans, which is a shame, because I think had this gotten the chance to be a proper single with radio release and performances on some big TV shows I think it could have helped her career and made people see her as a more serious artist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:49:43 GMT
I'm just not sure if she hs that maturity in her like Adele. Like i'm not sure if she would be able to create lyrics like adele, and use words and language in a very metaphoric way in that sense. I mean even Fly and the more newer songs are so "simple" when talking of the lyrics :/ Adeles lyrics are just cliche boring unoriginal love songs that all sound the same. They are just all about relationships. I think Avrils lyrics are more original than adeles. Adele may be a better singer but avrils lyrics make me want to listen to the song even though her voice is not the best
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Post by Amanda on Dec 4, 2016 22:07:15 GMT
I'm just not sure if she hs that maturity in her like Adele. Like i'm not sure if she would be able to create lyrics like adele, and use words and language in a very metaphoric way in that sense. I mean even Fly and the more newer songs are so "simple" when talking of the lyrics :/ Adeles lyrics are just cliche boring unoriginal love songs that all sound the same. They are just all about relationships. I think Avrils lyrics are more original than adeles. Adele may be a better singer but avrils lyrics make me want to listen to the song even though her voice is not the best I agree that songs talking about the same things is boring however I was more getting at the language approach, I think Adele uses more interesting language techniques than Avril, which in one sense to me shows maturity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 3:15:56 GMT
The crowd that adores Adele (think Barbara Streisand) is 180 from Avril lovers.
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 5, 2016 6:11:58 GMT
The crowd that adores Adele (think Barbara Streisand) is 180 from Avril lovers. IMHO. Agreed. And while 25 sold millions of copies to date, her singles besides Hello haven't done well on the radio. I never hear them. When We Were Young had a strong lead with Hello and still didn't last long. Send My Love did meh, too. I like Avril's "fuck you" lyrics. The older I get the more I want to just say fuck you to everyone. I also realize how much more I relate to Goodbye Lullaby. Idk, maybe it is just nostalgia and missing the good old days. But I really just love her albums. In other news, I heard Hello Kitty on the radio in my gym lol. I had to not break out into yelling KA KA KAWAII.
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Post by Nastaran on Dec 5, 2016 7:44:03 GMT
If you're gonna compare Adele's songwriting talent to Avril, you should compare the songs that aren't co-written by them. Because we don't know how much they were involved in the song writing process. I think songs that are written by Avril have a deeper meaning. She might not use a lot of complex words to make it look like she's "mature" , but when you listen to her songs, you can feel her passion. For example "Goodbye"'s lyrics is too simple, but it's so original and emotional. You can actually feel the sadness of having to leave someone.
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