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Post by twinmatrix on Dec 7, 2016 17:41:10 GMT
Man, you guys can complain a lot about Avril's music... You complain more than haters I've met.
For me she just got better with each album. I love her music!
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 19:58:20 GMT
I think her first 3 albums are the best. GL had a good concept but was executed poorly IMO and RCA had to stick their nose in it and force her to make "pop hits" that went against her vision for that album, resulting in a raw, personal album with songs like WTH and Smile on it that would have fit better with TBDT. And AL is just a mess, sorry. When 99% of her fans agree AL is her worst album, I think that kind of says something. I think AL is by far her worst album ever. Had they stuck with one vision or the other, it could have turned out okay. Either all tripod stuff or all pop, but with better writing and better production. But mixed together it just did not work. Additionally it was plagued by poor writing and poor production by Martin Johnson.
What I like about LG, UMS, and TBDT is that they all feel very "real" and feel very authentic from her. The quality is excellent on all of them. She tried something new with each of them and didn't repeat the same sounds or styles. The production is consistent throughout so that it all sounds like one cohesive project. She had a specific vision for each of those albums (more so with UMS and TBDT) and was able to do mostly what she wanted. You could tell how passionate she was about the music from both of those albums and she was involved in every aspect of making those 2 albums. I feel lately the quality of her music has declined and whether you agree or not, a large majority of her fans feel this way. It happens to pretty much every artist at some point, especially the longer they're around. Every artist has that one album that the fans agree is shit. And for Avril that's basically the AL album. There's very few fans out there that I've seen say it's their favorite or call it her best album.
Lately I just feel even with songs like Fly that it's just not her best stuff. The lyrics sound like something a 5 year old could write, honestly. The production is basic and boring. She didn't seem that passionate about the AL album and she has repeated the same setlist for her last 2 tours. It just seems she's gotten stuck in a rut kind of thing where she is just going through the motions and doing the same old thing, which I get can happen when you have been in the industry a long time and especially all the stuff she has dealt with in the last 5-6 years with record companies shooting down her ideas. I can see why it's made her lose her passion a bit and why she is confused about what musical direction to go in and why she's "lost herself," so to speak. I for one believe the quality of her music has declined since 2007 and many of us feel like this. Good for you that you enjoy what she does, it doesn't mean that we don't or that we don't still love her music, but there's valid reasons why we think the way we do about her recent stuff. And when the overwhelming majority of fans think the same things, you gotta figure there is some truth to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:02:07 GMT
I think a lot of fans innately understand why AL didn't work as well as her previous efforts. I wonder what Avril thinks of AL? I mean, really thinks of it, not that talk show contractual PR bull. Do you think she's as proud of it as her other albums?
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Post by rulezz on Dec 7, 2016 21:12:12 GMT
I have a dream that the first version of AL album was just amazing... very sad that she can't release it. As for me, I like all tripod songs. And we had amazing dark EP with meaningful album cover art: 1.Let me go 2.Give you what you like 3.Bad girl 4.Hello kitty (yes, its not we can expect from Av, but its nice experience) 5.Hello heartache 6.Falling fast 7.Hush hush 8.How you remind me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:14:17 GMT
I wonder how LA felt about it, honestly. Does he think it was really worth making her add these "hit" songs when it meant having poorly produced summer songs on a fall/winter released record?
Avril probably just wanted to get her music out to be able to say that it's out. She DID put a lot of work into it. She went from scrapping an entire record to being told that what she did after was STILL not good enough and having to rush to make songs that LA liked.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 21:16:05 GMT
I think a lot of fans innately understand why AL didn't work as well as her previous efforts. I wonder what Avril thinks of AL? I mean, really thinks of it, not that talk show contractual PR bull. Do you think she's as proud of it as her other albums? It's weird because my knee jerk reaction is no but in the Avril TV episode where she's holding it for the first time she says "I'm really proud of this baby" but then she kind of gives the camera this weird look. Like you said, I think publicly she acted like she was proud of the album because she had to. In reality I think she had the same feelings about it as the fans, that it could have been better and could have been a good album if Epic hadn't interfered. She probably likes the tripod songs a lot and HK. She never cared about performing the summer songs on tour. Plus there was the falling out with Martin and now that she is also separated/divorced from Chad, who obviously had a huge role in that album, I can imagine she'd rather bury this one.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 21:19:31 GMT
I wonder how LA felt about it, honestly. Does he think it was really worth making her add these "hit" songs when it meant having poorly produced summer songs on a fall/winter released record? Avril probably just wanted to get her music out to be able to say that it's out. She DID put a lot of work into it. She went from scrapping an entire record to being told that what she did after was STILL not good enough and having to rush to make songs that LA liked. I'm not even sure LA liked the songs, to be honest. Supposedly some tracks were sent to radio stations and they didn't think there was a hit. At the end of the day LA is a businessman and his primary concern is making money, therefore he wants his artists to make the kinds of songs stations will play. I think even he had to have known those songs were crap. Good radio material and good songs are not synonymous. And all he was trying to do was get good songs for radio, not necessarily good songs.
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Post by NowISee on Dec 7, 2016 21:54:13 GMT
I guess I'm in the few who actually love AL a lot. I think it's my favourite record. Before it was always UMS.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 22:30:40 GMT
I guess I'm in the few who actually love AL a lot. I think it's my favourite record. Before it was always UMS. Ok so out of curiosity why is it your favorite?
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Post by Underclass King on Dec 7, 2016 23:03:27 GMT
Although I can agree that AL is probably the "worst" album, I don't think it's bad by any means. It's just that it didn't have that oomph that her first three releases had. LG, UMS and TBDT all were cohesive albums that had a clear direction and vision. Avril appeared to genuinely like them all and she didn't run into many setbacks that would result in her adding songs she didn't want on the albums in the first place. Avril experienced many drawbacks with Goodbye Lullaby but it still had a sense of vision and was cohesive if you take away WTH and Smile. I know they ruined the flow, but Avril's vision was still apparent. AL on the other hand was very disorganized and lacked direction. Half of its a fun pop album (it didn't help that most were about summer [SOS, BS] with the album being released almost in winter) while the other half is more mature ballads. Avril self-described the album as "all over the place" and she really wasn't kidding. Regardless, the songs by themselves are all great IMO. It's just that they didn't work all thrown in together.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 23:57:05 GMT
^ That's pretty much how I feel about it. It's not that I don't like the songs on their own, individually, and there are many I'd list as some of my all time favorites like YASNY which I still listen to frequently. I also still like SOS and Hello Heartache when they come on my shuffle. I've even gotten into Hush Hush more. But earlier this summer I listened to each of her albums every day on my way to work, all the way through, and when I got to AL it was really apparent to me how lacking it was in comparison to the others and how disorganized it sounded.
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 8, 2016 2:15:52 GMT
LA also made Meghan Trainer scrap her entire second album and start over again. So far No is the only hit on it. Meghan is still popular though.
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Post by NowISee on Dec 8, 2016 11:10:35 GMT
I guess I'm in the few who actually love AL a lot. I think it's my favourite record. Before it was always UMS. Ok so out of curiosity why is it your favorite? To me it has the perfect balance of those partysongs and the more mellow ones. Her voice is also superclear and the most mature it has ever been. Although I question her choises what she played during her tour, I really like the vibe the record gives you. Imo she should have played those summer songs on a summer tour and I hope some journalist will ask about that one day why she didn't. My faves are pretty much all the songs except 17. Especially Falling Fast that bumbed my (what I thought) forever favorite Nobody's Home from it's podium.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 8, 2016 14:31:31 GMT
I doubt we will ever know the reason she didn't play the summer songs on tour but my guess is just that maybe she didn't like them. I also think it's odd she didn't play YASNY considering she wrote it herself but I think it's because it would have been difficult to sing live with those high notes. But then again there's a lot of songs from AL she didn't really play live unless requested, she played Hello Heartache I think only once and Falling Fast once or twice. Even GYWYL, which she named a favorite track, wasn't performed at every show, just some here and there.
RNR, HTNGU, and LMG were performed at all shows because they were singles. She started the tour off by performing 17 at every show and then suddenly dropped it. Rumors were going around that she and Evan had had a falling out, so maybe that was the reason, because it reminded her of him? Not sure. Bad Girl was performed at every show and HK was performed at most (she skipped it on the last show for some reason). And Hush Hush, another track she named a favorite, was performed at some shows but not all. To an extent I can understand why she didn't perform the ballads because it drags the energy of the show down, but at the same time she named them favorites of hers, plus as mentioned she didn't do BS, SOS, or YASNY at all. I guess because the setlist had to be short due to her illness she wanted to make room for her hits and the more upbeat numbers of AL?
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 8, 2016 17:43:57 GMT
I doubt we will ever know the reason she didn't play the summer songs on tour but my guess is just that maybe she didn't like them. I also think it's odd she didn't play YASNY considering she wrote it herself but I think it's because it would have been difficult to sing live with those high notes. But then again there's a lot of songs from AL she didn't really play live unless requested, she played Hello Heartache I think only once and Falling Fast once or twice. Even GYWYL, which she named a favorite track, wasn't performed at every show, just some here and there. RNR, HTNGU, and LMG were performed at all shows because they were singles. She started the tour off by performing 17 at every show and then suddenly dropped it. Rumors were going around that she and Evan had had a falling out, so maybe that was the reason, because it reminded her of him? Not sure. Bad Girl was performed at every show and HK was performed at most (she skipped it on the last show for some reason). And Hush Hush, another track she named a favorite, was performed at some shows but not all. To an extent I can understand why she didn't perform the ballads because it drags the energy of the show down, but at the same time she named them favorites of hers, plus as mentioned she didn't do BS, SOS, or YASNY at all. I guess because the setlist had to be short due to her illness she wanted to make room for her hits and the more upbeat numbers of AL? I think it has a lot to do with poor creative direction on Avril's part and her label. They have no idea what they wanted with her album, or her tour. Like you said before, or someone said, they keep trying to recreate TBDT(tour) and GFpt2. It's not working. I think Avril see's a theater tour where it is more stripped down, I remember she wanted that since GL, then RCA and Live Nation booked her in massive arenas for back to back nights. It's so poorly handled. All of it. She seemed her element in that little club show she did. I think they would be smart to copy Gaga's Budlight dive bar thing.
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