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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 25, 2016 23:05:44 GMT
I sincerely doubt that. She had tons of fun with him during the making of TBDT, even pepper spraying him and kicking him in the nuts. I don't think out of the 2 of them that she was the abused one.
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Post by Becky on Feb 25, 2016 23:19:55 GMT
I also don't think we should be assuming/wondering these things when we have no reason to believe he has done something to Avril. It's a very serious allegation.
Also I really don't think the lyrics are referring to being spiked, more likely that (is the song about Brody?) he made her a drink that was a little strong at a party. Also a very high chance it never happened haha. I really don't think she'd sing lightheartedly about being spiked or abused.
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Post by sam on Feb 25, 2016 23:31:11 GMT
In light of a recent report I'd just like to remind everyone to please stay civil in both of the Kesha threads- it's fine if you don't think she is telling the truth and you're entitled to have that opinion- but because this is a sensitive topic I ask that we all show a bit more maturity in this thread. At the end of the day this is a horrible topic to talk about and shouldn't be taken lightly.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Feb 26, 2016 1:30:23 GMT
I sincerely doubt that. She had tons of fun with him during the making of TBDT, even pepper spraying him and kicking him in the nuts. I don't think out of the 2 of them that she was the abused one. If she pepper sprayed him and kicked him in the jewels just for fun, just imagine what she would have done to him if he tried to pull any crap with her. There is absolutely nothing about Avril that makes me think she would ever let anyone get away with any kind of unwanted sexual advance.
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Post by Amanda on Feb 26, 2016 2:17:09 GMT
The thing is that it's generally so hard to show proof of rape. And that Kesha is very well aware of unless she has a tape of herself being raped. So she was very well aware of that she will be bashed and get anger from Sony and producers, and that her career is very very doomed to get no promo or passion from the label in the future. Since there is so few people who go to court with rape that is false and so few rapists that goes to jail out of everyone who is guilty but lack of proof my personal comment is always believe the victim. Dr Luke is most likely to go free unless there is some real hard core proof and Kesha knew that. Dr Luke will be free and probably face no complications from Sonys behalf since they're taking his side. So I choose to side with Kesha and always believe the victim. And I will always push for this question, about rape victims to be believed from the first second and not always doubted.
I also think avril might be staying off social medias a bit because of this because it's clear she doesn't wanna get involved in this. More and more artists are speaking up. Adele Demi etc.
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Post by Amanda on Feb 26, 2016 2:19:04 GMT
I sincerely doubt that. She had tons of fun with him during the making of TBDT, even pepper spraying him and kicking him in the nuts. I don't think out of the 2 of them that she was the abused one. If she pepper sprayed him and kicked him in the jewels just for fun, just imagine what she would have done to him if he tried to pull any crap with her. There is absolutely nothing about Avril that makes me think she would ever let anyone get away with any kind of unwanted sexual advance. I'm sure you didn't mean to but I think it's a bit cold to imply that sexual victims let's themself get raped or whatever. Just because a girl is having fun peppers praying a friend you never know how that person would act in a real actual rape. Not implying at all that avril was raped or whatever, but this comment doesn't prove or disprove anything to me
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Post by paperbackwriter on Feb 26, 2016 2:41:20 GMT
If she pepper sprayed him and kicked him in the jewels just for fun, just imagine what she would have done to him if he tried to pull any crap with her. There is absolutely nothing about Avril that makes me think she would ever let anyone get away with any kind of unwanted sexual advance. I'm sure you didn't mean to but I think it's a bit cold to imply that sexual victims let's themself get raped or whatever. Just because a girl is having fun peppers praying a friend you never know how that person would act in a real actual rape. Not implying at all that avril was raped or whatever, but this comment doesn't prove or disprove anything to me I think what was meant by the comment was that Avril wouldn't likely be intimidated by Luke if he had drugged and raped her or tried to do anything, not that victims let themselves be raped. Avril would probably have done something about it right away. Not saying that Kesha was weak or anything like that by not coming forward sooner, Avril just seems like the type of person to stand up for herself and not think or care about the consequences, where as Kesha was afraid of what Luke could do to her career, life, and family. He is a person in a powerful position so I can understand why Kesha felt that way. It took some time for her to feel safe enough within herself to come forward. That takes a lot of guts.
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Post by Amanda on Feb 26, 2016 3:11:05 GMT
I'm sure you didn't mean to but I think it's a bit cold to imply that sexual victims let's themself get raped or whatever. Just because a girl is having fun peppers praying a friend you never know how that person would act in a real actual rape. Not implying at all that avril was raped or whatever, but this comment doesn't prove or disprove anything to me I think what was meant by the comment was that Avril wouldn't likely be intimidated by Luke if he had drugged and raped her or tried to do anything, not that victims let themselves be raped. Avril would probably have done something about it right away. Not saying that Kesha was weak or anything like that by not coming forward sooner, Avril just seems like the type of person to stand up for herself and not think or care about the consequences, where as Kesha was afraid of what Luke could do to her career, life, and family. He is a person in a powerful position so I can understand why Kesha felt that way. It took some time for her to feel safe enough within herself to come forward. That takes a lot of guts. Still, a person who isn't afraid to stick up to someone else is not less likely to get raped. For once you can't know how your body or brain reacts during rape until it happens, and it was always play and funny in the studio for avril. You never know how she would react to a serious situation. Just like when she was attacked and hit by thoose men outside the bar. By saying you let someone rape you or you say that someone is too strong or confident to accept rape you're at the same time making a comment saying that the victim could've prevented the rape by being more confident or more strong in the behavior. I don't like that way of thinking. we are getting off topic here (I assume since we aren't talking about Avrils non-existing tweet) but I just wanted to say that anyone can get raped or in that situation. Believe me. No matter how tough you are on the outside or whatever, you never know how you'll react until it happens to you
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Post by Uncle Bob on Feb 26, 2016 3:15:39 GMT
I'm sure you didn't mean to but I think it's a bit cold to imply that sexual victims let's themself get raped or whatever. Just because a girl is having fun peppers praying a friend you never know how that person would act in a real actual rape. Not implying at all that avril was raped or whatever, but this comment doesn't prove or disprove anything to me In no way did I imply that victims of abuse allow it. The only thing I implied is that Avril strikes me as the type of person that would fight like hell and be very vocal about it. Nor was it my intention to prove or disprove anything to anyone.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Feb 26, 2016 3:19:11 GMT
I think what was meant by the comment was that Avril wouldn't likely be intimidated by Luke if he had drugged and raped her or tried to do anything, not that victims let themselves be raped. Bingo.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Feb 26, 2016 11:43:50 GMT
Still, a person who isn't afraid to stick up to someone else is not less likely to get raped. For once you can't know how your body or brain reacts during rape until it happens, and it was always play and funny in the studio for avril. You never know how she would react to a serious situation. Just like when she was attacked and hit by thoose men outside the bar. By saying you let someone rape you or you say that someone is too strong or confident to accept rape you're at the same time making a comment saying that the victim could've prevented the rape by being more confident or more strong in the behavior. I don't like that way of thinking. we are getting off topic here (I assume since we aren't talking about Avrils non-existing tweet) but I just wanted to say that anyone can get raped or in that situation. Believe me. No matter how tough you are on the outside or whatever, you never know how you'll react until it happens to you I never said or implied anyone could prevent rape because frankly you can't. If someone is hell bent on taking advantage of a person then they will. I was just saying that Avril and Kesha are two different people who perhaps would react differently to this kind of situation. Anyway I believe Kesha and I think it's horrible what she has gone through. As for Avril not posting... she's never been very vocal on twitter so I doubt she'd saying anything on there. If an interviewer asks her about it maybe she'll reply.
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Post by sam on Feb 26, 2016 11:53:25 GMT
Also guys- I feel there's a bit of an overlap between this thread and the FreeKesha thread- this thread should be talking about why Avril hasn't tweeted/Avril's relation with Kesha. To talk about the issue or case itself please use the FreeKesha thread.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 26, 2016 12:58:05 GMT
Have any other artists that work for Sony spoken about this? I'm seriously wondering if Sony threatened their artists to not speak about this issue, since many are now boycotting Sony and speaking badly about it.
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Post by helloheartache on Feb 26, 2016 13:00:43 GMT
Perhaps, she doesn't want to get involved in the whole thing at all. This is a very serious subject and no one really knows what the "truth" is apart from Kesha and Dr Luke. If an interviewer asks her about it, then maybe she'll say something. But for now, I think she has made the right choice by being silent about the whole thing, taking into account that it doesn't seem she had any bad experiences with him.
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Post by katy on Feb 26, 2016 13:16:51 GMT
Have any other artists that work for Sony spoken about this? I'm seriously wondering if Sony threatened their artists to not speak about this issue, since many are now boycotting Sony and speaking badly about it. Adele did at the Brits in one of her acceptance speeches, she's with Sony as far as I'm aware (Just checked and yeah she's with Columbia, so Sony)
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