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Post by paperbackwriter on Jun 3, 2021 22:41:59 GMT
I personally don't think Avril has had a good management team since she left Nettwerk. I guess she was their biggest star and they put a lot of work into promoting her and since then it's all gone downhill. She had a big name manager at one point and he didn't seem to do shit for her. It's like no matter who her team is they can't seem to manage or promote her properly. Seriously how hard is it to come up with a plan to post song titles and some lyrics? If it's because Avril wants to do her own thing then she really needs to consider giving someone the keys to her social media and let them promote her while she posts whatever else she wants. I agree except I would argue that when she was with Azoff during TBDT they also worked really well with/for her. It would probably be since then that her management's really gone downhill. During AL era she signed with Larry Rudolph who is one of the big managers (he manages Britney for example), yet that era was a mess. She was still with Nettwerk during TBDT. She changed in 2008 or 2009 I believe. Terry Mcbride came up with singing GF in multiple languages. There are quotes from him when she was being sued by the Rubinoos and he's referred to as her manager. There are articles about him wanting to do some deal with Doritos in 2008 that mention him as still being her manager. She left Nettwerk shortly after Deryck did if I remember correctly and it was after the end of the Best Damn Tour.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Jun 3, 2021 20:26:50 GMT
They obviously hit it off in the studio but aside from that, my personal opinion is you can’t truly love a person you haven’t known very long and that you’ve only had fun times with. Falling deeply in love is gradual I believe, but I have friends who just met someone and in a few months got married (arranged marriages, but I think some people just click and know, I don't know how it works but I think it does for some people?). I remember my best friend telling me when she met her husband, just within 15 days of meeting him, he was like he found the one and would marry her. Its a mystery to me how some people just know!! I knew less than a month into dating my husband that we would get married. I just finished a phone call with him, not a lovey dovey one or anything just a normal conversation, and I hung up the phone and told my mom I was going to marry him. It just hit me. We were engaged after a year and married after nearly 3 years together. We'll be celebrating our 11 year marriage anniversary this month. I know this has nothing to do with Avril but I always like sharing the story. Sometimes when you know you know. On an Avril note I think she may actually have a chance at a decent comeback right now if they play their cards right and promote properly. People seem to be really nostalgic for old tomboy punky Avril.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Jun 3, 2021 20:16:34 GMT
I personally don't think Avril has had a good management team since she left Nettwerk. I guess she was their biggest star and they put a lot of work into promoting her and since then it's all gone downhill. She had a big name manager at one point and he didn't seem to do shit for her. It's like no matter who her team is they can't seem to manage or promote her properly. Seriously how hard is it to come up with a plan to post song titles and some lyrics? If it's because Avril wants to do her own thing then she really needs to consider giving someone the keys to her social media and let them promote her while she posts whatever else she wants.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 30, 2021 14:53:32 GMT
Some of those old mod and Bella Thorne pics make me sick. I know people in LA, especially the music business are all shallow but geez... how hard is it for her to find someone who isn’t a total creep? Bring back Philip or Pete. I liked Pete, he seemed overall pretty normal. I wouldn't judge Mod too harshly since at the time he was on drugs. I know people who have done inappropriate things while addicted to drugs and they are quite different now that they are sober. I'm personally willing to give Mod a chance since he now seems to be a sweet person, although I can admit I don't know him personally so who knows. I can't really comment on her previous bfs because I have no idea what they were really like behind the scenes. They seem like they were nice but what if they really weren't and Mod treats her better? Can't really know from a distance.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 30, 2021 11:43:20 GMT
I don't see how the bangs video indicated she thinks she's special or anything. She's literally doing what every other famous or semi-famous person does with their social media and updating with everyday stuff. People literally get famous off doing that now lol.
Those aren't bangs though lol. She just had her hair cut to frame her face is all. I like the look though.
I'm kinda hoping she's waiting till June 1 or May 30-31 to post something and the single is coming in June..... One can only hope lol.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 27, 2021 11:52:07 GMT
"Don't turn around, or else you'll get punched in the face" My lyric memory may be slightly off but hooooboy, the demo is so laughable. “It’s badder than it’s sounds”🤣🤣 I thought she was saying "it's better than it sounds." I could be wrong though lol.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 25, 2021 15:09:58 GMT
I can’t imagine being nearly in my 20s when TBDT came out. I was 13/14 and found it cringe even then. I loved it. I had so much fun jamming to that album while driving to school or to my job that was near a beach. My now husband took me to see Avril in 2008 for the first time. We were just dating at the time and he's not really a fan; although the one Avril song he likes in Contagious which is on TBDT. And yay Jinkxx . I'm not alone lol! I was beginning to wonder if any who were teenagers which LG came out were still fans .
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 24, 2021 11:59:54 GMT
If she smoked weed during Let Go and didn't talk about it, it's probably because it was illegal then. It's legal in California. Hell medical marijuana is legal in most if not all states. I lived in a state where it's still illegal to smoke recreationally but my psychiatrist wanted to give me a prescription of it for anxiety. I declined though because I have chronic bronchitis and smoking anything would screw me up. Cannabis can be taken in other forms too and medicinal use is safe I guess. A friend of mine has anxiety and he had taken it too. True. I was always scared to take it though because even a little alcohol effects me greatly. I cannot stand the feeling of losing control. I was trying to think of something AL7 to add so I can stay on topic but I got nothing lol.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 24, 2021 11:54:59 GMT
If she smoked weed during Let Go and didn't talk about it, it's probably because it was illegal then. It's legal in California. Hell medical marijuana is legal in most if not all states. I lived in a state where it's still illegal to smoke recreationally but my psychiatrist wanted to give me a prescription of it for anxiety. I declined though because I have chronic bronchitis and smoking anything would screw me up.
The video looks like one of those thin cigars to me though.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 22, 2021 16:01:10 GMT
LG - 13 (just before my 14 birthday. Can't remember if I got it the day it came out though.) UMS - 15 (on the last day of my sophomore year of high school. Begged my parents to take me to Media Play to buy that and the Return of the King DVD) TBDT -18 (Spring semester of my first year at University. I loved listening to GF with my sunroof open on the way to and from class). GL - 22 ( Don't really remember anything from this release except I bought multiple copies for some reason.) AL - 25 ( Don't really remember this one much either.) HAW - 28 (Was living in London at the time getting my MA. I would jam out to HAW while grocery shopping at Tesco .) AL7 - 33 (Most likely since I turn 33 in a month.) Damn I feel old .
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 21, 2021 19:17:18 GMT
I think it’s fair to criticize the lack of strategy here with the way she’s posting the track lists. There doesn’t seem to be any consistency to when she posts them. The idea itself is a good idea to tease the music but the execution is lacking. If it acted as some sort of countdown to the release of the lead, that’d be a great promotional strategy. If we knew to expect a new post every Friday or whatever, it’d help keep the hype alive. But there doesn’t seem to be any consistent pattern of when she posts. In this day and age, there’s a certain expectation for artists of her level with her size fan base to be a little better than that on promotion and marketing. Whoever is executing this “strategy” should be fired immediately. I don’t think any of us here sits around all day long waiting for her to post something or is losing sleep like it’s the worst thing ever. If the wait and lack of decent communication doesn’t bother you, that’s fair enough, but I don’t think it’s cool to make judgements about people who feel differently, people who have been big fans since day 1 that are excited and want to keep supporting her but continuously are getting disappointed. She is lucky to still have the support she does considering how unrewarding it is to be a fan of her these days. She’s also not even terribly interesting to follow either unless you like cooking videos or videos of the ocean. I agree fans seem to complain no matter what she does, but I think that’s kind of just part of what being an artist is. Not everyone is going to like everything she does all the time and I’m pretty sure she knows that and does whatever she wants anyway. I’m glad she does reply to more fan comments than she used to but I can’t blame anyone for being unsatisfied still because her answers are so badly worded they just leave us with more questions than before. Just because she does something fans have asked for does not mean that if she does it poorly we should accept that as “well ok I guess it’s good enough.” She can always do things better and keep working to improve herself and her connection with her fans, but I honestly suspect she doesn’t want to or think she needs to and that’s where the laziness comments come from. It’s not that she doesn’t work hard - she spends several hours in the studio without a lot of breaks - but frankly I don’t think she works as hard as other artists. If she did, we’d be seeing a lot more product from her than we are currently. Even the latest AD designs are pretty half assed and basic. I always enjoy your posts because when you criticise Avril it's in a more constructive way, but some comments from others, on here and elsewhere, are just mean. That and seeing constant negativity with everything she does nowadays, some of it being personal attacks on her and not just her music or career, has me feeling slightly annoyed. Perhaps it's because I myself am a sensitive person and I could see how some of these posts might be damaging mentally to someone. I don't like the idea that just because someone is famous that means people can be mean to them and say things they couldn't get away with saying to someone in real life. I've had far too much negativity in my life and I am trying to not see people in the worst light possible any more. Perhaps that's why I'm not bothered by all the things people here are. I mean the last really awful thing she did was the Lyme concert, which I can't deny looked a bit like a scam.... She seems to be trying to improve so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I too have been a fan since Complicated came out in 2002. I've been through the ups and downs of her career. There are definitely things I wish she would do differently, but I can't change it so I won't get over aggressive about it. Anyway I've said my personal opinion on the matter and I'll go shut up now.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 21, 2021 18:17:52 GMT
Perhaps her posting while making the album wasn't marketing.....maybe it was just posting on social media..... I honestly feel like if someone saw her posts and overly hyped themselves up for something that wasn't promised right away anyway, then that's on them and not Avril. I can understand someone hyping up now because she is actually teasing the album by posting lyrics and asking if we are ready for new music....but during the recording process, nah. Not this time. This isn't like when she posted a Christmas present for her fans promising new music in 2017 and it didn't happen. I don't think Avril thinks like most artists nowadays when it comes to posting on social media. Not everything has to be creating hype or promoting something. I could totally see her thinking "I should share my recording process with fans they'll like that", and not thinking about fans assuming it meant the record was coming in a month or something. I can also think of several movies, tv shows, video games, etc that were hyped up well before they released with huge gaps of silence in the middle. A video game I was really looking forward to was supposed to come out this Spring... they announced and did a trailer last Summer...then Spring came and there was just silence about it. It'll come out eventually. It is what it is. Of course her social media posting was not something spontaneous on Avril's part... I doubt she would do full blown photoshoots in the studio if it wasn't advised by her management... Oh yeah I forgot about the photoshoots. Ok I can see the annoyance there then. I still think some people are over the top about it though and just nitpicking everything now. Being annoyed is one thing, saying things like she's lazy, I'm embarrassed to be her fan, She must know the music sucks cuz she hasn't released it yet is just mean. If I was Avril and I read some of the comments here I'd think my fans hated me and frankly I wouldn't be inclined to give them what they want. Sometimes criticism can encourage someone to better themselves but sometimes it just hurts and makes people bitter and want to do the opposite. I guess from my POV Avril is not the be all and end all of my existence and I'm not bothered if it takes a while for new music. I know I'll most likely enjoy it so I'll just wait until the time comes. I'm not defending her just to kiss her ass or be a yes fan or whatever. I just don't see the point in shitting on someone I don't even know because of something I can't change.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 21, 2021 17:56:38 GMT
Perhaps her posting while making the album wasn't marketing.....maybe it was just posting on social media..... I honestly feel like if someone saw her posts and overly hyped themselves up for something that wasn't promised right away anyway, then that's on them and not Avril. I can understand someone hyping up now because she is actually teasing the album by posting lyrics and asking if we are ready for new music....but during the recording process, nah. Not this time. This isn't like when she posted a Christmas present for her fans promising new music in 2017 and it didn't happen.
I don't think Avril thinks like most artists nowadays when it comes to posting on social media. Not everything has to be creating hype or promoting something. I could totally see her thinking "I should share my recording process with fans they'll like that", and not thinking about fans assuming it meant the record was coming in a month or something.
I can also think of several movies, tv shows, video games, etc that were hyped up well before they released with huge gaps of silence in the middle. A video game I was really looking forward to was supposed to come out this Spring... they announced and did a trailer last Summer...then Spring came and there was just silence about it. It'll come out eventually. It is what it is.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 21, 2021 16:43:31 GMT
I see what you’re saying but let’s not act like it took so much of her time to film this incredibly brief scene either. It probably took under an hour, if you include the setup, makeup, all that other stuff. The scene itself is like 10 seconds long, if even. She probably did a few takes and that was it. It’s not like it would have taken her all day to do this. It's not about whether she took a long time to film it or not. It's about how she did something we had no idea of until it was released but people here act like they know exactly what she's doing because of social media and talk in absolutes about her personality and activities like they know exactly what's going on and why I'm glad I'm not the only person to notice this. People can be so overdramatic on here and always assume the worst. "On no Avril is not giving me what I want when I want it or telling me everything going on behind the scenes so she must just be sitting on her ass doing nothing and being a lazy loser who I'm embarrassed to be a fan of." When Avril was doing HAW and not sharing much people were mad. This time she posted most days she was working on AL7, even posting video clips of the recording process and tiny snippets of songs.....and now people are mad and saying she shouldn't have done that because they got excited and assumed everything would be out within a month even though Avril clearly said Springish/Summer. People were mad that she didn't interact online with fans. She starts answering comments on her instagram. People are still mad because they don't like her answers. People said they wished she's play guitar live like she used to....she recently played the guitar for the Flames performance, but she wasn't looking up or smiling enough I guess so it wasn't good enough. People are mad she doesn't post enough on social media.....she starts posting more and people are still mad because it's not the posts they want to see. She's been doing more to interact with fans in 2021 that she has her whole career but it's still not good enough. If I were Avril I'd say screw it and do whatever I wanted too. It's not like its going to make anyone happy anyway. Personally I don't care when the music comes out. I have been a fan of plenty of bands who have had multiple albums delayed or who take a long time between albums. It's really not that big of a deal.
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 1, 2021 14:39:09 GMT
If someone did photoshop it they probably put Summer to piss everyone off.
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