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Post by jenda358 on Jun 7, 2015 1:15:15 GMT
I don't think certain albums reflecting her personality more than others really has much to do with it. She's hardly the same person she was in LG era but she acknowledges that era and always speaks about it fondly. And I don't think she's afraid to because the fans might get the idea she's heading in that direction. It can't be because UMS was dark/serious/rock since she made plenty of dark and serious songs on AL, Alice, HYRM, and she made a rock song with Bad Girl. I don't think it'd have anything to do with Jesse, the guy that most of the UMS songs are about, because he was just a boyfriend from over 10 years ago that I doubt she cares about anymore. I don't think it'd be because of her tiffs with Chantal and Butch since she had feuds with other writers like The Matrix and Martin Johnson and she still performs those songs. Maybe her ignoring it is just a coincidence and not intentional at all. While UMS is one of my least favorite albums from her, I do think it deserves to be acknowledged as much as she acknowledges her other albums and I think it's pretty sad she never saw the video we made for her. I can't imagine that it just slipped past her. If time was an issue, she had a lot of time while she was ill to watch it. She definitely watched a lot of those other videos fans made for her. It's really bizarre. I can't think of any real reason why she would ignore that album/era. The Deryck explanation wouldn't make sense, since as I also pointed out, she was married to him in TBDT era and most of GL is about him, plus he produced songs on both those albums, and she doesn't ignore those albums/eras. Maybe the real reason why she didn't watch the UMS anniversary video is simply that it was too long (I'm not kidding). BTW, What exactly is known about Avril's tiffs with Butch Walker?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 7, 2015 2:20:41 GMT
I don't think certain albums reflecting her personality more than others really has much to do with it. She's hardly the same person she was in LG era but she acknowledges that era and always speaks about it fondly. And I don't think she's afraid to because the fans might get the idea she's heading in that direction. It can't be because UMS was dark/serious/rock since she made plenty of dark and serious songs on AL, Alice, HYRM, and she made a rock song with Bad Girl. I don't think it'd have anything to do with Jesse, the guy that most of the UMS songs are about, because he was just a boyfriend from over 10 years ago that I doubt she cares about anymore. I don't think it'd be because of her tiffs with Chantal and Butch since she had feuds with other writers like The Matrix and Martin Johnson and she still performs those songs. Maybe her ignoring it is just a coincidence and not intentional at all. While UMS is one of my least favorite albums from her, I do think it deserves to be acknowledged as much as she acknowledges her other albums and I think it's pretty sad she never saw the video we made for her. I can't imagine that it just slipped past her. If time was an issue, she had a lot of time while she was ill to watch it. She definitely watched a lot of those other videos fans made for her. It's really bizarre. I can't think of any real reason why she would ignore that album/era. The Deryck explanation wouldn't make sense, since as I also pointed out, she was married to him in TBDT era and most of GL is about him, plus he produced songs on both those albums, and she doesn't ignore those albums/eras. Maybe the real reason why she didn't watch the UMS anniversary video is simply that it was too long (I'm not kidding). BTW, What exactly is known about Avril's tiffs with Butch Walker? I don't think it was really that long, maybe like 10 or 12 minutes. As I said, if she didn't have time before she certainly would have while she was sick. Even if she didn't watch the whole thing or watch at all, she could have still acknowledged it and thanked the fans for making it. Butch wrote a book in 2011 where he mentioned stuff about Avril. He never mentions her by name and obviously this is only stuff from his point of view, so nobody knows whether it's all completely true or not, but it's rather obvious that he's referring to Avril. He claims that she stole his idea for wearing tank tops with a tie, as he was the one who started wearing them and apparently she saw him wearing it and copied it. Then he spoke about the making of TBDT, but of course never mentioned it by name but you can tell it's what he's referring to, and said that he and Avril came up with TBDT song first and then Dr. Luke ripped the ideas for Girlfriend off of that track, with the cheerleading chant and stuff. He refers to Avril as just a "girl" but it's obvious he was referring to her, and claimed that Avril had no idea about Luke stealing his ideas and that she had called Butch on the phone crying. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of what Butch wrote in his book is true. I mean, Girlfriend does sound really similar to TBDT.
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Post by jenda358 on Jun 7, 2015 9:17:16 GMT
I don't think it was really that long, maybe like 10 or 12 minutes. As I said, if she didn't have time before she certainly would have while she was sick. Even if she didn't watch the whole thing or watch at all, she could have still acknowledged it and thanked the fans for making it. Butch wrote a book in 2011 where he mentioned stuff about Avril. He never mentions her by name and obviously this is only stuff from his point of view, so nobody knows whether it's all completely true or not, but it's rather obvious that he's referring to Avril. He claims that she stole his idea for wearing tank tops with a tie, as he was the one who started wearing them and apparently she saw him wearing it and copied it. Then he spoke about the making of TBDT, but of course never mentioned it by name but you can tell it's what he's referring to, and said that he and Avril came up with TBDT song first and then Dr. Luke ripped the ideas for Girlfriend off of that track, with the cheerleading chant and stuff. He refers to Avril as just a "girl" but it's obvious he was referring to her, and claimed that Avril had no idea about Luke stealing his ideas and that she had called Butch on the phone crying. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of what Butch wrote in his book is true. I mean, Girlfriend does sound really similar to TBDT. I checked the video on YouTube and it's actually more than 15 minutes long. Maybe she felt it was too long to watch and later when she was sick she didn't remember about the video at all. I mean the video was at least four months old at the time Avril disappeared from the world (as a result of the Lyme disease). But of course we will never know for sure. Thanks for the summary about Butch. It seems a bit strange to me though. In TBDT and GL documentaries Avril and Butch seemed to have a really great time and Avril even said something like "he's such a great friend of mine." How could they be friends if he was pissed about her stealing his idea for wearing tank tops with a tie. If it's true, he must have known about it since the beginning and yet he seemed to have a great relationship with Avril. But I can easily imagine the part about TBDT being true. Either way – if Avril and Butch aren't friends anymore, there must be something else behind it than just him being upset about Avril stealing his idea for wearing tank tops with a tie.
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Post by NowISee on Jun 7, 2015 12:01:07 GMT
I remember Butch hinting that Avril stole My Happy Ending from him. That he had already made the music (and lyrics?) for it and was about to use the song elsewhere- but then came Avril and just changed few bits of it and called it her own. I believe Avril was very pissed off by this and I always thought it was the reason why Avril didn't want to stay friends with him. The other story is of course is it true that she stole the song. Ie is it's release to the public the reason why Avril is mad or is the story lies and that's why she is mad. Don't know, but I find it interesting how Butch wanted to work with her on her other albums as well, if he already was as upset during UMS.
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Post by Light02 on Jun 7, 2015 12:35:44 GMT
I remember Butch hinting that Avril stole My Happy Ending from him. That he had already made the music (and lyrics?) for it and was about to use the song elsewhere- but then came Avril and just changed few bits of it and called it her own. I believe Avril was very pissed off by this and I always thought it was the reason why Avril didn't want to stay friends with him. The other story is of course is it true that she stole the song. Ie is it's release to the public the reason why Avril is mad or is the story lies and that's why she is mad. Don't know, but I find it interesting how Butch wanted to work with her on her other albums as well, if he already was as upset during UMS. Yeah, I remember that he had said that he had written the chorus, I think, to My Happy Ending and Avril had written the rest of the song or something like that. And he had also claimed that he had written part of the bridge of Don't Tell Me.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 7, 2015 13:30:16 GMT
It was the other way around. Butch wrote the first verse only, I think it was meant to be a song for his wife, and Avril wrote the chorus. Not sure about the rest of the song. And Butch did supposedly write the bridge in DTM and never got credit for it, but I don't see how that could be true if Avril wrote that song when she was 17.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 7, 2015 14:18:03 GMT
I remember Butch hinting that Avril stole My Happy Ending from him. That he had already made the music (and lyrics?) for it and was about to use the song elsewhere- but then came Avril and just changed few bits of it and called it her own. I believe Avril was very pissed off by this and I always thought it was the reason why Avril didn't want to stay friends with him. The other story is of course is it true that she stole the song. Ie is it's release to the public the reason why Avril is mad or is the story lies and that's why she is mad. Don't know, but I find it interesting how Butch wanted to work with her on her other albums as well, if he already was as upset during UMS. Yeah, I remember that he had said that he had written the chorus, I think, to My Happy Ending and Avril had written the rest of the song or something like that. And he had also claimed that he had written part of the bridge of Don't Tell Me. Can't believe Avril could be quit rude like that ...
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 7, 2015 14:27:22 GMT
I think she knows how much UMS is a fan-favourite. If she wrote/tweeted something like "10 years of UMS, what a great time" etc. people would go crazy and think that she wants to do another UMS. I mean, she followed Metallica on twitter and people started saying that she will do a collaboration and go into UMS-direction again for her next album. Maybe she just wants to avoid to raise any hopes and then left fans disappointed when UMS-2.0 isnt happening. OR maybe she doesnt really feel her UMS-era anymore, she was way different back then, had a whole other image/style etc. I always seems that TBDT reflects her true personality best. But I think it's kind of sad that she only talks about LG, cause it was her first album and then AL, cause it's her new album. Like UMS/TBDT/GL never happened.. and btw, I'm still disppointed she didnt even tweet a word about the UMS-anniversary-video Actually, she's shown appreciation to TBDT as well, especially Girlfriend (her biggest hit). I don't know if TBDT reflects her personality better, but I think she probably think that image is what people may expect from her, since it was her last big success, and seeing how she's tried to emulate it with her last albums. The albums she completely ignores are UMS and GL; she did even ignore GL to an extent while she was supposedly promoting it, she barely played non-single songs even after fans asked her to. It's ok if she doesn't feel any era in particular anymore, but it's so frustrating how she "celebrates" some of her albums and some others she doesn't. It's extremely frustrating to see how her most personal albums are the ones she doesn't seem to value and appreciate at all If people thinks she'll go into UMS-ish direction again just because she says something about the album's 10th anniversary or because she follows rock bands on Twitter, it would be their fault, not Avril's. If that's why she didn't say anything about our 10th anniversary video, that would be uncool on her part. We can simply tell that the message was come from her management like a ceremony. After I knew that Avril just stole the song from Butch, I'm pretty disappointed with Avril coz she takes away what other song writers had and make it like this is her original song. I think that thumbs up about why she fell out with Evan, lost so many amazing collaborators. I'm having a bed impression about Avril at this time
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 7, 2015 14:28:43 GMT
It was the other way around. Butch wrote the first verse only, I think it was meant to be a song for his wife, and Avril wrote the chorus. Not sure about the rest of the song. And Butch did supposedly write the bridge in DTM and never got credit for it, but I don't see how that could be true if Avril wrote that song when she was 17. Or Avril lied for it ~
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 7, 2015 15:13:03 GMT
It contains a lot of break up songs, so maybe she just doesn't want to acknowledge that guy anymore. Not necessarily to the public, but to herself... bad times she doesn't want to think about anymore, and UMS is a reminder of that. Just my guess. Maybe she still hates Chantel for whatever reason and didn't have as much writing control in those songs, either But TBDT and GL are reminders of Deryck, a guy she was married to and divorced, and she still acknowledges those eras/albums. I highly doubt she's still torn up about a guy who played in her band 10 years ago. And she's had other tiffs with writers but still plays those songs, so I don't think Chantal has anything to do with it. Not all break ups and tiffs are the same. Maybe she just doesn't relate to those songs anymore because of those people, but her, Deryck, and Brody are still "friends". She's definitely not friends with Chantel or Jesse anymore, and she doesn't play Luke songs anymore besides the obligatory Girlfriend... but I don't really know
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 7, 2015 15:13:36 GMT
I feel like Avril is so relying on certain people instead of thinking how to improve herself :s If you want to do worldwide tour, you must be "sold-out artists", otherwise, there is no budget allow. Perhaps, Avril could fund for it ~
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 7, 2015 15:29:26 GMT
It was the other way around. Butch wrote the first verse only, I think it was meant to be a song for his wife, and Avril wrote the chorus. Not sure about the rest of the song. And Butch did supposedly write the bridge in DTM and never got credit for it, but I don't see how that could be true if Avril wrote that song when she was 17. Songs can be changed. He may have changed the bridge a bit, but not enough to get credit
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Post by sam on Jun 7, 2015 20:14:38 GMT
To be honest guys the discussion in here should be about her social media posts- and I feel it might have shifted a bit to a generic discussion about her career- correct me if I'm wrong but please stay on topic
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