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Post by TomX on May 29, 2016 16:59:47 GMT
Matured? How has she matured? She's saying things like "Kitty and me arrived safe", or meawing on a video on snapchat. I guess that's why I don't consider myself a fan, I'm highly objective, and whenever she's done something that's pissed me off I've said it. I'm not here to worship her every move like she's pure perfection like many do. It's okay to disagree and not to love everything she does, guys. It's not going to make you a terrible fan, you know? Btw, it's strange how we discussed her lack of passion for music and the next minute she posts something about "thinking about music"...makes me think it could be true she actually reads this forum. PS: Down to earth people don't travel solely on jet planes, they travel in economy class on planes as well (or even most times)
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Post by marliz. on May 29, 2016 17:01:00 GMT
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Post by booknerd on May 29, 2016 17:04:58 GMT
Avril isn't "obligated" to keep her fans up to date no, and although she's gotten so much better at utilizing her social media presence to keep her name circulating and giving fans something to talk about, as a musician who depends on our support, she should stop being so secretive in that regard. She's been like this for years. She leaves fans hanging on hoping to hear about new music and we wind up waiting several months, sometimes more than a year with no word. Now there's no more foundation, perfumes, nothing going on with abbey dawn-- she's not so busy she can't find time.
I've lost so much interest in avril over the years for that reason. I used to be an admin here for years and there was just dead silence on her end, it was getting difficult being part of the staff, so I stopped coming around until the new forum. I saw that she was putting in way more of an effort to make the fans happy by showing some sort of presence which I do appreciate. I'm just tired of it hardly ever about her career.
I get that she's had lymes and it's by no way an easy thing to deal with but you know, I know someone who has lymes, was diagnosed really late too and ended up with Bell's palsy as a result; she still works every single day and makes the best of it. I understand every person's body and recovery process is different but I too am tired of everyone sheltering her about "not being 100%" or "she's still so sick". She's not that sick that she can't conclusively let her fans know whether or not they have a sliver shot of hearing new music sometime this year.
I don't care about her hello kitty memorabilia and her need to constantly put it in our feeds, I don't care about this 'supposed' new avril persona because every few years someone will say she's not being true to herself or she's changing; it's an old subject, yawn and move on. I just want to know whether or not we'll get any music any time soon. I think her last black & white picture is a really cool coincidence but that's not enough for me. She can't expect her fans to grasp straws in between every album cycle for however long she feels like.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 17:08:30 GMT
Matured? How has she matured? She's saying things like "Kitty and me arrived safe", or meawing on a video on snapchat. I guess that's why I don't consider myself a fan, I'm highly objective, and whenever she's done something that's pissed me off I've said it. I'm not here to worship her every move like she's pure perfection like many do. It's okay to disagree and not to love everything she does, guys. It's not going to make you a terrible fan, you know? Btw, it's strange how we discussed her lack of passion for music and the next minute she posts something about "thinking about music"...makes me think it could be true she actually reads this forum. PS: Down to earth people don't travel solely on jet planes, they travel in economy class on planes as well (or even most times) So by what she posts on Snapchat that is how you determine her level of maturity? Please. Snapchat is just supposed to be for fun, she clearly likes it and has fun with it. It wasn't that long ago that fans were complaining we never got updates from her, now she is using social media more and people are complaining about what she chooses to post. She can't win. I suppose you are so "mature" that you have never done stupid or silly things with your friends or on social media? We all do sometimes, nobody has to be serious ALL the time, sometimes people, no matter what age, do stupid and silly things like meowing because it's just fun. Doesn't mean she is like this all the time every second of the day. I'm sure she is a mature adult in situations where she has to be. If anything, Avril HAS matured and has grown up in ways that are necessary and important, because of her illness. It's precisely the reason she acts so "immature" to you, because it made her realize what's important in life and what isn't. Being bedridden for several months, literally thinking she was dying, has made her realize her most important goal in life is to be happy and to make no one but HERSELF happy, and if that includes playing with a Hello Kitty doll and meowing, so be it. If anything, it has taught her to not to take everything in life so seriously and that it's ok to be fun and silly sometimes. No one is saying we have to worship her every move but saying she's being immature is just so holier than thou. You've got no idea what this woman has been through with her health and you're literally criticizing her because she's trying to do things that make her happy, that literally do not affect or hurt anyone else. Sorry that she doesn't fit your standards of what it means to be "mature."
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Post by marliz. on May 29, 2016 17:13:25 GMT
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Post by Amanda on May 29, 2016 17:14:39 GMT
I totally understand where you are all coming from. I am longforing more music but mostly longforing her communicating with us and letting us know what she's up to, making us involved etc because as for this moment it somehow feel like she's not caring about the fans support that much. I am longforing new music HOWEVER I am not frustrated on avril because of the lack of music and vacation, because I totally understand her. She's been through a roller coaster and yes she good enough now to travel, and that's what she's doing. If you ask anyone who has worked and crashed their first priority is not work again but to live life. The only thing I'm Bothered about is that we have no idea about the time for music. If she told us "I don't see new music this year" I would be perfectly happy, not happy because it's not music but happy because she is informing us. So to me there's no rush in new music or even to stop traveling etc, I just wish she gave a little more in for the fans support. Ever since she got better from Lyme she basically stopped replying fans messages and questions on Twitter, and stopped letting us know hints or just letting us know how she is doing. And personally maturity for me isn't defined by stuffed animals or educational books, it's more how you look at life etc. I find avril as quite an childish person - not because of hello kitty but because of the way she is and always has been. Ever since her beginning her songs has had pretty childish immature lyrics (PS this doesn't equal bad lyrics, just not poetic or so) etc. I don't find her more immature because she loves hello kitty. I had to move from my parents house when I was 16(21 now) and start my own life and get mature super fast and I got a very high education aswell as other things and I still love my unicorn stuffed animal in my bed, at the same time I like to spend hours at night drinking wine and discussing litterateur So personally for me my image of avril being childish or teenage-ish or so has nothing to do with the new avril but just how she has always been, her spirit oh and I personally don't care if she turns into looking like a living Barbie doll because after all I'm not here for the looks I'm here for the music. If I cared about the appearance so much of my idol I think I would change into another one or so. And of course - avril has also matured in ways within her Lyme that we all don't know.
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Post by vaso on May 29, 2016 17:14:54 GMT
Report for unskilled drama player stop flaming you're triggering me You are an admin just ban me. Dont do it ily
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Post by TomX on May 29, 2016 17:19:46 GMT
All I'm saying is that I'm here for her music, basically; and I hope that this change I've seen in her (which I dislike, and am entitled to) doesn't have too much influence in her music. As much as I want more mature music, I think it's important she sticks to her roots and stays true to herself. The last thing I want is a reboot in her career like it happened with Taylor Swift, going from country to pure pop. These videos and posts on snapchat worry me, since I don't like her attitude lately, and I don't want that to represent her music in the "near?" future.
Many fans want her to go all Adele and stay still in front of a microphone wearing heels and long dresses on stage, but I have to disagree on that. I think it's vital to still have that energetic and rocker side to her that we all loved, and it doesn't have to equal "immature".
It's been a while already without music, and I think many of us are already impatient. I know everybody is going to come with the "remember the TBDT-GL hiatus", but let's see: in 2008 she spent it touring, in 2009 she started with her clothing line and doing campaigns for canon cameras, as well as her fragrance, in 2010 she released Alice, along with a music video , and she was sent back to the studio on command to make it more radio-friendly, but we knew she was working hard on it and we got WTH news in late 2010. You know what I mean? There was always something going on, she never stopped. Now she toured in 2014, and from mid-2014 to now she's released one independent single that went almost unnoticed , and some AD campaign once in a blue moon. There's nothing going on with her right now. We don't even now if she's recording music for fun, or for a new record, or if she's even recording any at all. That's what disgruntles many. And I know she went through Lyme, but she's much better now and has been for a while already and there's still nothing going on. It's all too disappointing right now. This is my opinion.
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Post by Jack on May 29, 2016 17:20:11 GMT
Matured? How has she matured? She's saying things like "Kitty and me arrived safe", or meawing on a video on snapchat. I guess that's why I don't consider myself a fan, I'm highly objective, and whenever she's done something that's pissed me off I've said it. I'm not here to worship her every move like she's pure perfection like many do. It's okay to disagree and not to love everything she does, guys. It's not going to make you a terrible fan, you know? Btw, it's strange how we discussed her lack of passion for music and the next minute she posts something about "thinking about music"...makes me think it could be true she actually reads this forum. PS: Down to earth people don't travel solely on jet planes, they travel in economy class on planes as well (or even most times) Well, that's the only thing we can use to say she hasn't "matured", really. To be fair, most of people use Snapchat to be "playful" and "funny", so it's not really strange to see her acting like that there; not in vain, that app provides you with some funny, even hilarious filters in a consistent basis. BUT if that's the main thing she show us through social media, I don't really blame people for thinking she hasn't matured. She seems to want to show her "funny" side more than the "serious" side, it's happened with her music a lot; since TBDT, her serious and vulnerable side tend to be "hidden". I mean, it's not like I want her to look "miserable" or something, but a bit more of balance and variety would be nice. And considering she's a multimillionaire and all that, she's not really "stuck-up". Yes, she has nice house(s) and take a (Chad's) jet to travel from time to time, but it's not like she's constantly showing how money she has or something. I've seen much worse, even people with less money/fame than Avril.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 17:23:12 GMT
Avril isn't "obligated" to keep her fans up to date no, and although she's gotten so much better at utilizing her social media presence to keep her name circulating and giving fans something to talk about, as a musician who depends on our support, she should stop being so secretive in that regard. She's been like this for years. She leaves fans hanging on hoping to hear about new music and we wind up waiting several months, sometimes more than a year with no word. Now there's no more foundation, perfumes, nothing going on with abbey dawn-- she's not so busy she can't find time. I've lost so much interest in avril over the years for that reason. I used to be an admin here for years and there was just dead silence on her end, it was getting difficult being part of the staff, so I stopped coming around until the new forum. I saw that she was putting in way more of an effort to make the fans happy by showing some sort of presence which I do appreciate. I'm just tired of it hardly ever about her career. I get that she's had lymes and it's by no way an easy thing to deal with but you know, I know someone who has lymes, was diagnosed really late too and ended up with Bell's palsy as a result; she still works every single day and makes the best of it. I understand every person's body and recovery process is different but I too am tired of everyone sheltering her about "not being 100%" or "she's still so sick". She's not that sick that she can't conclusively let her fans know whether or not they have a sliver shot of hearing new music sometime this year. I don't care about her hello kitty memorabilia and her need to constantly put it in our feeds, I don't care about this 'supposed' new avril persona because every few years someone will say she's not being true to herself or she's changing; it's an old subject, yawn and move on. I just want to know whether or not we'll get any music any time soon. I think her last black & white picture is a really cool coincidence but that's not enough for me. She can't expect her fans to grasp straws in between every album cycle for however long she feels like. Rant (possibly) over lol. Ok but let's think about this. There are 2 possible scenarios. We either will get new music this year (whether it's one single, an EP, or a full album) or we won't. Regarding the first scenario, Avril may not know for certain if she will release something this year. We don't know what LA/Epic expects of her either, they could have potentially been talking about it, where she's at with her health, and if she is physically capable of delivering an entire album within this year, or whether she needs to take it slow and maybe she can do an EP, or just a single. Given what has happened in the past with GL and AL, all too often Avril has said "Yes the album will be released at such and such date" and then it never happened and fans got pissed off. Even if she really thinks she might be able to put something out this year, she might not want to say anything until it is absolutely set in stone in case a delay happens again. In the second scenario, if absolutely no way an album or new music is coming and she said this, it would piss a lot of people off. I'm sure most fans here would be understanding and ok with that, but you know the fans on Twitter and Instagram would lose their minds and get angry. It's probably better to make people think there's a chance something is coming than to outright disappoint them by saying there isn't. For pure marketing reasons, it keeps people coming back to her page to ask her what's happening, rather than if she said "No album this year," well then they'd probably leave and stop visiting her page. It keeps everyone on their toes. The best thing she can probably do is say "I hope to release music this year" and leave it at that, it leaves it open to say she wants to do it, but at the same time if it doesn't happen, she can't be held accountable because she never said anything was coming for certain. But somehow I think even if she said "My hope is to release music this year but we don't know yet if it will happen for sure," that would not be a good enough answer for most fans and would be just as vague as not saying anything at all.
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Post by marliz. on May 29, 2016 17:24:03 GMT
stop flaming you're triggering me You are an admin just ban me. Dont do it ily perma banned for off-topic
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Post by vaso on May 29, 2016 17:25:20 GMT
You are an admin just ban me. Dont do it ily perma banned for off-topic Please report Marliz for banning me for no reason.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 17:32:59 GMT
All I'm saying is that I'm here for her music, basically; and I hope that this change I've seen in her (which I dislike, and am entitled to) doesn't have too much influence in her music. As much as I want more mature music, I think it's important she sticks to her roots and stays true to herself. The last thing I want is a reboot in her career like it happened with Taylor Swift, going from country to pure pop. These videos and posts on snapchat worry me, since I don't like her attitude lately, and I don't want that to represent her music in the "near?" future. Many fans want her to go all Adele and stay still in front of a microphone wearing heels and long dresses on stage, but I have to disagree on that. I think it's vital to still have that energetic and rocker side to her that we all loved, and it doesn't have to equal "immature". It's been a while already without music, and I think many of us are already impatient. I know everybody is going to come with the "remember the TBDT-GL hiatus", but let's see: in 2008 she spent it touring, in 2009 she started with her clothing line and doing campaigns for canon cameras, as well as her fragrance, in 2010 she released Alice, along with a music video , and she was sent back to the studio on command to make it more radio-friendly, but we knew she was working hard on it and we got WTH news in late 2010. You know what I mean? There was always something going on, she never stopped. Now she toured in 2014, and from mid-2014 to now she's released one independent single that went almost unnoticed , and some AD campaign once in a blue moon. There's nothing going on with her right now. We don't even now if she's recording music for fun, or for a new record, or if she's even recording any at all. That's what disgruntles many. And I know she went through Lyme, but she's much better now and has been for a while already and there's still nothing going on. It's all too disappointing right now. This is my opinion. This is the part you still haven't explained. Exactly what "changes" have happened? Because I don't see it. If anything she seems happier than probably ever before, that's all. If she has "changed" at all, it appears to have been in positive ways, not negative.
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Post by booknerd on May 29, 2016 17:35:05 GMT
Avril isn't "obligated" to keep her fans up to date no, and although she's gotten so much better at utilizing her social media presence to keep her name circulating and giving fans something to talk about, as a musician who depends on our support, she should stop being so secretive in that regard. She's been like this for years. She leaves fans hanging on hoping to hear about new music and we wind up waiting several months, sometimes more than a year with no word. Now there's no more foundation, perfumes, nothing going on with abbey dawn-- she's not so busy she can't find time. I've lost so much interest in avril over the years for that reason. I used to be an admin here for years and there was just dead silence on her end, it was getting difficult being part of the staff, so I stopped coming around until the new forum. I saw that she was putting in way more of an effort to make the fans happy by showing some sort of presence which I do appreciate. I'm just tired of it hardly ever about her career. I get that she's had lymes and it's by no way an easy thing to deal with but you know, I know someone who has lymes, was diagnosed really late too and ended up with Bell's palsy as a result; she still works every single day and makes the best of it. I understand every person's body and recovery process is different but I too am tired of everyone sheltering her about "not being 100%" or "she's still so sick". She's not that sick that she can't conclusively let her fans know whether or not they have a sliver shot of hearing new music sometime this year. I don't care about her hello kitty memorabilia and her need to constantly put it in our feeds, I don't care about this 'supposed' new avril persona because every few years someone will say she's not being true to herself or she's changing; it's an old subject, yawn and move on. I just want to know whether or not we'll get any music any time soon. I think her last black & white picture is a really cool coincidence but that's not enough for me. She can't expect her fans to grasp straws in between every album cycle for however long she feels like. Rant (possibly) over lol. Ok but let's think about this. There are 2 possible scenarios. We either will get new music this year (whether it's one single, an EP, or a full album) or we won't. Regarding the first scenario, Avril may not know for certain if she will release something this year. We don't know what LA/Epic expects of her either, they could have potentially been talking about it, where she's at with her health, and if she is physically capable of delivering an entire album within this year, or whether she needs to take it slow and maybe she can do an EP, or just a single. Given what has happened in the past with GL and AL, all too often Avril has said "Yes the album will be released at such and such date" and then it never happened and fans got pissed off. Even if she really thinks she might be able to put something out this year, she might not want to say anything until it is absolutely set in stone in case a delay happens again. In the second scenario, if absolutely no way an album or new music is coming and she said this, it would piss a lot of people off. I'm sure most fans here would be understanding and ok with that, but you know the fans on Twitter and Instagram would lose their minds and get angry. It's probably better to make people think there's a chance something is coming than to outright disappoint them by saying there isn't. For pure marketing reasons, it keeps people coming back to her page to ask her what's happening, rather than if she said "No album this year," well then they'd probably leave and stop visiting her page. It keeps everyone on their toes. The best thing she can probably do is say "I hope to release music this year" and leave it at that, it leaves it open to say she wants to do it, but at the same time if it doesn't happen, she can't be held accountable because she never said anything was coming for certain. But somehow I think even if she said "My hope is to release music this year but we don't know yet if it will happen for sure," that would not be a good enough answer for most fans and would be just as vague as not saying anything at all. I can't speak for anyone else but I personally would be much happier with a vague statement rather than nothing. Sometimes saying nothing and hoping people just keep coming back doesn't work and they outright lose interest- that's what happened in my case. But being a creature of habit and given all the years I was a die-hard fan as well as seeing her allowing her fans in more with the social media tools, naturally that caught my eye and I still check to see if there is news from time to time but there was about a 2 years gap where I didn't even bother or care. I know how a lot of that behind the scenes stuff works; I'm aware that there may not be anything set in stone as of yet, and let's be realistic, there probably isn't, but some sort of official statement would be appeasing for a lot of people. Something like she hopes for a release this year - or whether she thinks she's even physically capable in taking that responsibility on; anything is better than nothing. But again, I'm one voice in the masses, I also realize you can't make everyone happy. I just don't think this request is difficult to address.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 17:37:34 GMT
I understand and regardless of what we want, Avril's gonna do what she does. As much as we might want an update from her, it doesn't appear she'll give us one anytime soon. Oh well. It is what it is. It's not like we can make her do anything and we just have to accept that. IMO it's just pointless to complain about something we have no control over, if you get what I mean.
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