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Post by Avengium on May 29, 2016 12:31:50 GMT
Well said Harvey. :thumbsup:
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 12:57:36 GMT
Well said Harvey. :thumbsup: It's something CS Lewis said that I thought was rather appropriate. Hence the link and the quote. Here's to never growing up, basically.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 14:11:32 GMT
Yep, that's me, I know you're referring to me. Can't it annoy me that she is looking too much like a Beverly Hills housewife and that she's changed too much in the past two years? When I'm talking about "old Avril" I'm not referring to 2002 teenage Avril, I'm talking about ADULT 2011/12 and fuck, even early 2013 Avril. Since when is she such a Barbie doll ? I'm in all my right to disagree with this new persona she's created, it's NOTHING like Avril. She's even lost passion for music. It's all about leisure time and vacations for her now. And don't come with the "she's struggling with Lyme" cliche. She's obviously recovered enough to spend all day on the beach with "Gabe Babe". Why can't she at least start writing and recording her new album? I personally don't care at all about her vacations, and many fans feel the same way. She's losing more and more fans as we speak. I'm just tired of all this. I don't even think I care much for her anymore. I'm just pissed. She's gotten over my edge. I miss THE ARTIST, I want more of that person, and less of the Beverly Hills housewife. If you think Avril looks like a Beverly Hills housewife, you've clearly never seen one. She looks nothing like a "Beverly Hills housewife." How does she look like a "Beverly Hills housewife"? I watch The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and she looks nothing like any of those women. She doesn't have any plastic surgery or botox, she looks very healthy, natural, and happy. So her hair color is more platinum blonde than it was before? I think her hair looks nice lately. Her hair honestly looked terrible in the AL era with those fake looking hair extensions. Her hair now looks much more healthy and natural, very soft, and no extensions at all. I like it. *shrug* And what "persona" has she created? I've literally got no idea where this "Beverly Hills housewife" and "new persona" thing has come from. Yes she has been going on vacation a lot recently but what does that have to do with anything? She has always gone on vacations? Remember in 2009 she took a long trip to France in St. Tropez? And in 2012 she stayed all summer in France to learn French? Like what is this "persona" you are talking about? Because she's been using Snapchat recently? Like I don't even get what you're talking about at all. And she just posted something on Snapchat/Instagram about "thinking about music" so she clearly hasn't forgotten about music. While I don't exactly agree with TomX , I perfectly understand his frustrations with the lack of music-related stuff. And while I try to be patient and understanding, I think it's time she let us know about her plans for this year, if we can expect some new music or not. I don't necessarily have anything against her spending time with friends/family or enjoying some HK merchandising (not my cup of tea, AT ALL), BUT I'm a fan of her as a musician/artist mainly and I would deeply appreciate some information about her intentions on her music career. We've all waited months for her to recover from Lyme, and it's time she updates us about that and, especially, about her music. Eh, Avril reinvents herself with every album cycle. The only difference this time is that she's been ill and her career has been on hiatus. I didn't dig the last era for a number of reasons, and I know what you mean about the "Beverly Hills housewife" look, but we've gotta get used to it. Speaking of her illness, obviously she's not bedridden anymore and she looks great (minus the "Beverly Hills housewife" look), but let's not trivialise it. None of us know exactly how much physical or mental energy she has, and she might feel like shit for all we know. Having said all this, yeah I think it's time for some music-related news. She could at least tell us if we're NOT gonna hear anything this year. This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but Avril isn't obligated to give us any updates about what is going on with her music. We aren't entitled to any news from her about anything. Avril has enough money to never work another day in her life if she feels like it. She could potentially never make another album again and we would have to live with it. But she chooses to still make music, however she is doing it now at her own pace and when she feels up for it. We aren't entitled to be demanding that she gives us updates or new music right away. She is allowed to give us updates when she feels like it. I don't even think it's necessarily got anything to do with the record company or anything like that. Just that maybe Avril herself doesn't have much to show us right now, to her credit, she did do Instagram videos and photos when she was writing with Chad and Zane. Maybe she just doesn't want to reveal too much in case something happens, like remember when she did that studio update with Alex da Kidd and Skylar Grey? And we never heard those songs and fans were disappointed. Maybe she just doesn't want a repeat of that incident. I know we are all dying to know what's going on with her music but I think some fans are acting as though we're entitled to this information and "She has recovered from Lyme, she has to tell us what's going on now!" No she doesn't. She's a human being, which I think a lot of people are forgetting, she has a personal/private life and to be honest no one knows at all how she is progressing with her health, her health is still and should be her #1 priority and she will get back to the music thing when she is ready to. It is not up to us to force her or demand her to give us updates about anything. We are lucky she is even still making music at all, she could have just said "I'm done with music and am going to retire and vacation all over the world for the rest of my life." I think some fans are being ungrateful, to be honest. Doesn't anyone remember how about a year ago we were all nothing but worried about her? We were worried about why she was so silent and what was going on with her, then when we found out about her ordeal with Lyme, we were all just hoping she was ok and that she would get better? Shouldn't we be happy she has gotten a lot better and feels well enough for traveling and vacationing instead of being sick at home in bed? Instead we are complaining because she "vacations" too much and won't give us any updates about her new music. Well, guess what, she is a person and is entitled to take vacations if she feels like it. Like someone else mentioned, she missed out on a lot when she was sick in bed for several months, and maybe now she wants to get out and experience the world again. Maybe that will give her some inspiration for her music? Or how do you know she isn't writing songs while on vacation or on the plane? I just find these assumptions being made about her "new persona" are very judgmental and unfair. We don't see every single second of her life or know what she's up to 24 hours a day. In the meantime there is plenty of other music and artists to listen to and follow. Despite what LA Reid said, I don't know how likely it is we're going to hear anything from Avril this year. Perhaps a single or 2, or an EP maybe. But a full album seems like a longshot, even if released at the end of 2016. It will probably be 2017 before we get a new album. I just wish people would remember that at the end of the day Avril is a human being like all of us. It makes me sad that her own fans would really bash her for taking vacations, which she's perfectly entitled to do. Nobody knows what's going on with her health and it is entirely up to her discretion if she wants to share that information with us or not. We are not entitled to anything from her and this goes along with what I said the other day in the Unpopular Opinions thread about people treating celebrities like circus acts here for our amusement instead of treating them like human beings. Avril's health and happiness come first, just like it comes first for all of us too.
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Post by Jack on May 29, 2016 14:16:44 GMT
No way...
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 14:23:07 GMT
Hi Avril We better be careful what we say because she clearly reads here. What if she has an account here? No wonder 008 seems to have all the inside scoop on her!
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Post by Jack on May 29, 2016 14:34:35 GMT
This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but Avril isn't obligated to give us any updates about what is going on with her music. We aren't entitled to any news from her about anything. Avril has enough money to never work another day in her life if she feels like it. She could potentially never make another album again and we would have to live with it. But she chooses to still make music, however she is doing it now at her own pace and when she feels up for it. We aren't entitled to be demanding that she gives us updates or new music right away. She is allowed to give us updates when she feels like it. I don't even think it's necessarily got anything to do with the record company or anything like that. Just that maybe Avril herself doesn't have much to show us right now, to her credit, she did do Instagram videos and photos when she was writing with Chad and Zane. Maybe she just doesn't want to reveal too much in case something happens, like remember when she did that studio update with Alex da Kidd and Skylar Grey? And we never heard those songs and fans were disappointed. Maybe she just doesn't want a repeat of that incident. I know we are all dying to know what's going on with her music but I think some fans are acting as though we're entitled to this information and "She has recovered from Lyme, she has to tell us what's going on now!" No she doesn't. She's a human being, which I think a lot of people are forgetting, she has a personal/private life and to be honest no one knows at all how she is progressing with her health, her health is still and should be her #1 priority and she will get back to the music thing when she is ready to. It is not up to us to force her or demand her to give us updates about anything. We are lucky she is even still making music at all, she could have just said "I'm done with music and am going to retire and vacation all over the world for the rest of my life." I think some fans are being ungrateful, to be honest. Doesn't anyone remember how about a year ago we were all nothing but worried about her? We were worried about why she was so silent and what was going on with her, then when we found out about her ordeal with Lyme, we were all just hoping she was ok and that she would get better? Shouldn't we be happy she has gotten a lot better and feels well enough for traveling and vacationing instead of being sick at home in bed? Instead we are complaining because she "vacations" too much and won't give us any updates about her new music. Well, guess what, she is a person and is entitled to take vacations if she feels like it. Like someone else mentioned, she missed out on a lot when she was sick in bed for several months, and maybe now she wants to get out and experience the world again. Maybe that will give her some inspiration for her music? Or how do you know she isn't writing songs while on vacation or on the plane? I just find these assumptions being made about her "new persona" are very judgmental and unfair. We don't see every single second of her life or know what she's up to 24 hours a day. In the meantime there is plenty of other music and artists to listen to and follow. Despite what LA Reid said, I don't know how likely it is we're going to hear anything from Avril this year. Perhaps a single or 2, or an EP maybe. But a full album seems like a longshot, even if released at the end of 2016. It will probably be 2017 before we get a new album. I just wish people would remember that at the end of the day Avril is a human being like all of us. It makes me sad that her own fans would really bash her for taking vacations, which she's perfectly entitled to do. Nobody knows what's going on with her health and it is entirely up to her discretion if she wants to share that information with us or not. We are not entitled to anything from her and this goes along with what I said the other day in the Unpopular Opinions thread about people treating celebrities like circus acts here for our amusement instead of treating them like human beings. Avril's health and happiness come first, just like it comes first for all of us too. As I said before, I've been really patient but I think it's time for her to tell us something about it. She's not "obliged" but you can't blame fans for wanting to see/hear some music from her after almost 3 years since her last album, and especially one that was so underwhelming amongst her fanbase. She's entitled to take vacations if she wants/feels like it, but she still (supposedly) has a music career and a fairly good fanbase (not as big as before, but still decent) that is waiting for her to come back with music. Of course, if she wants to take her time, I would respect that, but I'd rather she told us her plans for this year in advance; I'd rather she told us she won't plan on releasing music this year, than her being "silent" or with vague statements like that Instagram post. For all we know, she might have been writing music during this last months, but if she doesn't show it it's like it didn't happened. Avril's health and happiness comes first, yes, and I've said it too quite a few times. But as I said before, I'm a fan of hers as musician/artist and I want to see what she can gives us on that aspect, and I think it's fair to want to know something more concrete about it. And considering she looks quite happy and healthy nowadays, it's only fair that people start to expect her to let us know something about her music.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 14:39:44 GMT
Whoa cool down. All I'm saying is it would be nice if we had some music-related news. I mean she's still a recording artist, right? She hasn't retired yet?
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 15:07:11 GMT
This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but Avril isn't obligated to give us any updates about what is going on with her music. We aren't entitled to any news from her about anything. Avril has enough money to never work another day in her life if she feels like it. She could potentially never make another album again and we would have to live with it. But she chooses to still make music, however she is doing it now at her own pace and when she feels up for it. We aren't entitled to be demanding that she gives us updates or new music right away. She is allowed to give us updates when she feels like it. I don't even think it's necessarily got anything to do with the record company or anything like that. Just that maybe Avril herself doesn't have much to show us right now, to her credit, she did do Instagram videos and photos when she was writing with Chad and Zane. Maybe she just doesn't want to reveal too much in case something happens, like remember when she did that studio update with Alex da Kidd and Skylar Grey? And we never heard those songs and fans were disappointed. Maybe she just doesn't want a repeat of that incident. I know we are all dying to know what's going on with her music but I think some fans are acting as though we're entitled to this information and "She has recovered from Lyme, she has to tell us what's going on now!" No she doesn't. She's a human being, which I think a lot of people are forgetting, she has a personal/private life and to be honest no one knows at all how she is progressing with her health, her health is still and should be her #1 priority and she will get back to the music thing when she is ready to. It is not up to us to force her or demand her to give us updates about anything. We are lucky she is even still making music at all, she could have just said "I'm done with music and am going to retire and vacation all over the world for the rest of my life." I think some fans are being ungrateful, to be honest. Doesn't anyone remember how about a year ago we were all nothing but worried about her? We were worried about why she was so silent and what was going on with her, then when we found out about her ordeal with Lyme, we were all just hoping she was ok and that she would get better? Shouldn't we be happy she has gotten a lot better and feels well enough for traveling and vacationing instead of being sick at home in bed? Instead we are complaining because she "vacations" too much and won't give us any updates about her new music. Well, guess what, she is a person and is entitled to take vacations if she feels like it. Like someone else mentioned, she missed out on a lot when she was sick in bed for several months, and maybe now she wants to get out and experience the world again. Maybe that will give her some inspiration for her music? Or how do you know she isn't writing songs while on vacation or on the plane? I just find these assumptions being made about her "new persona" are very judgmental and unfair. We don't see every single second of her life or know what she's up to 24 hours a day. In the meantime there is plenty of other music and artists to listen to and follow. Despite what LA Reid said, I don't know how likely it is we're going to hear anything from Avril this year. Perhaps a single or 2, or an EP maybe. But a full album seems like a longshot, even if released at the end of 2016. It will probably be 2017 before we get a new album. I just wish people would remember that at the end of the day Avril is a human being like all of us. It makes me sad that her own fans would really bash her for taking vacations, which she's perfectly entitled to do. Nobody knows what's going on with her health and it is entirely up to her discretion if she wants to share that information with us or not. We are not entitled to anything from her and this goes along with what I said the other day in the Unpopular Opinions thread about people treating celebrities like circus acts here for our amusement instead of treating them like human beings. Avril's health and happiness come first, just like it comes first for all of us too. As I said before, I've been really patient but I think it's time for her to tell us something about it. She's not "obliged" but you can't blame fans for wanting to see/hear some music from her after almost 3 years since her last album, and especially one that was so underwhelming amongst her fanbase. She's entitled to take vacations if she wants/feels like it, but she still (supposedly) has a music career and a fairly good fanbase (not as big as before, but still decent) that is waiting for her to come back with music. Of course, if she wants to take her time, I would respect that, but I'd rather she told us her plans for this year in advance; I'd rather she told us she won't plan on releasing music this year, than her being "silent" or with vague statements like that Instagram post. For all we know, she might have been writing music during this last months, but if she doesn't show it it's like it didn't happened. Avril's health and happiness comes first, yes, and I've said it too quite a few times. But as I said before, I'm a fan of hers as musician/artist and I want to see what she can gives us on that aspect, and I think it's fair to want to know something more concrete about it. And considering she looks quite happy and healthy nowadays, it's only fair that people start to expect her to let us know something about her music. Whoa cool down. All I'm saying is it would be nice if we had some music-related news. I mean she's still a recording artist, right? She hasn't retired yet? Yes I understand where you both are coming from and I get that. My comments were directed more towards what TomX was saying about how she's been vacationing too much, as though she doesn't have the right to do that, and "Well she is better now, so it's time for new music," and I just felt like that was a really selfish attitude and acting like she owes us something. I don't think what you or Jack said was disrespectful or anything, I was just lumping it in with the comments since it expressed generally the same sentiment about her not telling us anything. Yes it's understandable that fans want to know what is going on with her music. It's fine to be wondering about her plans. I just don't like how certain people are almost demanding it from her and acting like she owes us something. She's not a product, she's a person.
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Post by sam on May 29, 2016 15:13:21 GMT
Please try and keep it civil guys, I don't like the look of the previous pages. I know no personal comments have been thrown around yet but it was starting to get a little heated.
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Post by Jack on May 29, 2016 15:40:08 GMT
As I said before, I've been really patient but I think it's time for her to tell us something about it. She's not "obliged" but you can't blame fans for wanting to see/hear some music from her after almost 3 years since her last album, and especially one that was so underwhelming amongst her fanbase. She's entitled to take vacations if she wants/feels like it, but she still (supposedly) has a music career and a fairly good fanbase (not as big as before, but still decent) that is waiting for her to come back with music. Of course, if she wants to take her time, I would respect that, but I'd rather she told us her plans for this year in advance; I'd rather she told us she won't plan on releasing music this year, than her being "silent" or with vague statements like that Instagram post. For all we know, she might have been writing music during this last months, but if she doesn't show it it's like it didn't happened. Avril's health and happiness comes first, yes, and I've said it too quite a few times. But as I said before, I'm a fan of hers as musician/artist and I want to see what she can gives us on that aspect, and I think it's fair to want to know something more concrete about it. And considering she looks quite happy and healthy nowadays, it's only fair that people start to expect her to let us know something about her music. Whoa cool down. All I'm saying is it would be nice if we had some music-related news. I mean she's still a recording artist, right? She hasn't retired yet? Yes I understand where you both are coming from and I get that. My comments were directed more towards what TomX was saying about how she's been vacationing too much, as though she doesn't have the right to do that, and "Well she is better now, so it's time for new music," and I just felt like that was a really selfish attitude and acting like she owes us something. I don't think what you or Jack said was disrespectful or anything, I was just lumping it in with the comments since it expressed generally the same sentiment about her not telling us anything. Yes it's understandable that fans want to know what is going on with her music. It's fine to be wondering about her plans. I just don't like how certain people are almost demanding it from her and acting like she owes us something. She's not a product, she's a person. Fair enough I also didn't really like how TomX expressed it, even though his concerns are understandable.
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Post by StrongSweet on May 29, 2016 15:40:51 GMT
There are usually some venting posts around 1 to 2 months (including by me) Although they might be negative but those just show much the fans still care about. But some nice people have detailed and constructive responses to calm down, which Im really impressed
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Post by sam on May 29, 2016 15:53:49 GMT
So what if she is 31 and likes Hello Kitty? I'm sure there's stuff you like that other people would consider dumb or that you are "too old" for. Personally I'm glad Avril doesn't let stupid societal norms determine what she should like and dislike. I seem to remember the very same people complaining that she is so "immature" are the same people who think she will look like "an old lady" if she wears a gown and heels on the red carpet and think Abbey Dawn isn't immature looking at all. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. And I don't get what everyone's issue is with her liking HK. It's not everyone's taste and that's fine but you don't have to bash her constantly just because she likes it. Guess what, the "old" Avril wouldn't give a shit what other people think of her interests and the new one doesn't give a shit either. Yep, that's me, I know you're referring to me. Can't it annoy me that she is looking too much like a Beverly Hills housewife and that she's changed too much in the past two years? When I'm talking about "old Avril" I'm not referring to 2002 teenage Avril, I'm talking about ADULT 2011/12 and fuck, even early 2013 Avril. Since when is she such a Barbie doll ? I'm in all my right to disagree with this new persona she's created, it's NOTHING like Avril. She's even lost passion for music. It's all about leisure time and vacations for her now. And don't come with the "she's struggling with Lyme" cliche. She's obviously recovered enough to spend all day on the beach with "Gabe Babe". Why can't she at least start writing and recording her new album? I personally don't care at all about her vacations, and many fans feel the same way. She's losing more and more fans as we speak. I'm just tired of all this. I don't even think I care much for her anymore. I'm just pissed. She's gotten over my edge. I miss THE ARTIST, I want more of that person, and less of the Beverly Hills housewife. Before I say anything I just want to start off by saying this isn't a crack at you or anything, but it's just how I felt when I read your post. I am aware it might come accords as a massive contradiction especially because I'm a staff member and my other post here but it's something I really need to say. How has Avril changed over the past two years? She got rid of those extensions and has natural hair now. If anything it gives off a nice mature image which I personally like. People grow up, that's the only "change" I can see in Avril. I strongly disagree with your Barbie doll comment, how you say she's lost her passion for music (then why has she been writing songs? lol?) And who are you to practically demand a new Album from her after she's gone through lime (yes, I'm using the so called "cliché") It IS a valid excuse whether you like it or not- she is in her 30's, she doesn't owe us anything; if she wants to spend time with her friends after a horrible experience or thinking of settling down then she is free to do so. We don't have any say in her life and why should we? LA Reid has even said new music should be coming before the end of the year (I would take it with a grain of salt) but it does prove that she IS working on new music (and there is more evidence to suggest this) When I read your post it just pissed me off, if you don't care for Avril that much any more then that is absolutely fine. But I don't think ranting about her "immaturity" on a fan-site is the best idea when really your behaviour just comes across as immature more than anything. I don't think your post is very respectful of Avril as a person and it just comes across as one big demand and very needy.
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Post by marliz. on May 29, 2016 16:04:06 GMT
girls you gotta learn that being an Avril fan requires patience xo
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 29, 2016 16:25:54 GMT
Exactly, I would like to know exactly what these supposed "changes" are that have occurred to her in the last 2 years. In fairness, her life itself has changed a lot in the last 2 years. Of course she is probably going to change. I'm sure if we all looked at our own lives from 2 years ago, it isn't exactly the same either. It's not like she is on drugs, partying at the clubs until 4 AM and stumbling drunk to her car, making an ass of herself in public. She's taking a private jet ride to a beach somewhere. She's a multimillionaire, pretty sure anyone with her money would do exactly the same thing. And I thought I read somewhere it's actually Chad's jet, not hers. Avril is actually one of the few Hollywood stars I can think of who lives probably under her means, if you can believe it, and has always been pretty down to earth.
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Post by vaso on May 29, 2016 16:32:15 GMT
girls you gotta learn that being an Avril fan requires patience xo Report for unskilled drama player
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