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Post by kiks123ful on Jul 31, 2015 18:09:52 GMT
Did the fly performance benefitted anything chartwise no right? I was actually hoping at least she will get recognised a bit if not on the level of T swift , Katy or rihanna but it just didn't work at all. I know a lot of people have already purchased the song on iTunes but seriously singing for a crowd of about 20000 people and nowhere on iTunes charts disappointing though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 2:41:34 GMT
in my opinion, the song isn't exactly top 100 worthy. if I was a non-fan and heard her sing it, I'd think "wow this is a nice tune" but I'd forget about it after that
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Post by avril83 on Aug 1, 2015 10:43:43 GMT
in my opinion, the song isn't exactly top 100 worthy. if I was a non-fan and heard her sing it, I'd think "wow this is a nice tune" but I'd forget about it after that It's a song with a special meaning written only for beneficence , not to compete with current top songs
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 1, 2015 13:03:14 GMT
I think he is saying that after Avril's performance on SO it should have charted on iTunes. I think the highest it might have reached was somewhere around the 500s. I think that even though a lot of people tuned in for the event, the viewership wasn't as high as something like the standard Olympics or some other big event. Most of us here admitted to only caring/tuning in just because Avril was performing and we've already got the song. Also it was a 3 hour event and Avril didn't perform until the end, so a lot of viewers may have tuned out by the time she performed. Also I don't think the song is good enough to convince non fans to buy it, the way they have with GF, WTH, HTNGU, etc. Fly simply did not get enough promo (no mention at the time of her performance that it was on iTunes and that proceeds went to support SO) and that's probably why we didn't see it move on the charts. If this was a proper single I think it would have done better but because it's just a charity single they aren't bothering to promote it much.
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Post by eismann on Aug 1, 2015 14:17:48 GMT
If this was a proper single I think it would have done better but because it's just a charity single they aren't bothering to promote it much. ... as if there was any good promotion for her other singles. Off topic: I know its been said before but I think Avril should really look for a new team, especially for promotion + she needs a Coach that shows her what promotion is possible through social media
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Post by avril83 on Aug 1, 2015 14:41:32 GMT
If this was a proper single I think it would have done better but because it's just a charity single they aren't bothering to promote it much. ... as if there was any good promotion for her other singles. Off topic: I know its been said before but I think Avril should really look for a new team, especially for promotion + she needs a Coach that shows her what promotion is possible through social media I wish she could do this.. she has ever had severe problems with promotion from the end of GL era
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 1, 2015 14:45:37 GMT
Her other singles may not have had good promo (basically any single besides HTNGU) but HTNGU did get some decent promo, by promo I mean that at least they got her performances on some TV shows like Dancing With the Stars (a very big show here in the US), The Voice UK, Michael and Kelly, Jimmy Kimmel Live (for RNR), etc. This is probably going to be the only promo performance for Fly, since Avril's so ill. If it had been a proper single (and Avril wasn't sick) she'd probably be appearing on some TV shows and things to perform it and therefore it would chart much higher.
To Avril's credit I think she is doing a decent job of spreading the word about it on Twitter, Instagram, etc. She tagged it a lot in the photos that she posted and the video she posted after her performance for people to go and buy it. Unfortunately, most of the people that follow Avril are her fans, that would already have the song. The key is getting people outside her fan base to buy it and that's basically through performances. For example, Cassadee Pope performed her new single "I Am Invincible" at the ceremony, I'm sure all her fans probably have the song too, but I hadn't heard the song before, just knew about it, so that was my first time hearing the song. I didn't like it enough to buy it but there could have been others watching that heard it for the first time and liked it enough to buy it. Those are the people she needs to appeal to, the fans already have the song.
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Post by kiks123ful on Aug 1, 2015 17:32:08 GMT
It seems epic records only care about hip hop male artists, just look at how they are promoting life of Dillon new song and video. She should dump L.A. Reid by any means and start writing songs with max martin. I mean after she is done with Lyme. She needs rest for a while but when she thinks she's okay to roll in a studio then she should definitely stick up with max martin and write some mature stuff yet radio ready.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 2:24:41 GMT
It seems epic records only care about hip hop male artists, just look at how they are promoting life of Dillon new song and video. She should dump L.A. Reid by any means and start writing songs with max martin. I mean after she is done with Lyme. She needs rest for a while but when she thinks she's okay to roll in a studio then she should definitely stick up with max martin and write some mature stuff yet radio ready. NOT HIM
NOT MAX MARTIN
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Post by ughvril on Aug 4, 2015 2:35:30 GMT
It seems epic records only care about hip hop male artists, just look at how they are promoting life of Dillon new song and video. She should dump L.A. Reid by any means and start writing songs with max martin. I mean after she is done with Lyme. She needs rest for a while but when she thinks she's okay to roll in a studio then she should definitely stick up with max martin and write some mature stuff yet radio ready. NOT HIM
NOT MAX MARTIN en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Max_Martintaylor n katy got him well, it really depends on the song :3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 3:18:16 GMT
Max Martin's Producing = Martin Johnson's Producing
Well I agree that Max Martin is better, but their producing is basically similar. Unoriginal, boring beats.
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 4, 2015 5:25:19 GMT
Max Martin's Producing = Martin Johnson's Producing Well I agree that Max Martin is better, but their producing is basically similar. Unoriginal, boring beats. Difference = Max succeeds in making hits. Joanson can't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 6:43:28 GMT
Max Martin's Producing = Martin Johnson's Producing Well I agree that Max Martin is better, but their producing is basically similar. Unoriginal, boring beats. Difference = Max succeeds in making hits. Joanson can't.
Here's to Never Growing Up. -> #20
What the Hell -> #11
Um what about HTNGU?
Well I think it's not Johnson's fault that Rock N Roll failed....
And I don't think that Avril's three singles from GL had satisfying chart performance too
And rather than trying to make a hit song with those commercial pop producers, imo it's better for her to pick the best song from her new materials.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 8:47:54 GMT
Tbh. I wouldn't mind her working with Max again. But then again. Only if she wanted to.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 4, 2015 11:55:47 GMT
I love it when fans trash Max and then forget that he produced both Alone and I Will Be. Max has definitely gone the generic pop route lately but he's always done that. That's why his songs become hits. I think if they tried to incorporate a bit more of Avril's own sound into the songs, the fans wouldn't mind her working with him. The only song they wrote together on GL that really had the Avril sound was Smile. For example, when Taylor worked with him on Red the songs were very pop but included acoustic guitars and still had that Taylor sound. And they were hits. Everyone keeps saying they want Avril back on top again and to have big hits again but they don't want her working with "hit makers." Well she's probably not gonna get hits working with obscure indie writers or whatever it is you want her to work with. Max Martin is THE place to go for hits, I just think they need to incoporate Avril's own sound more, use real instruments instead of synths and beats. I think Avril could do something like "All About You" by Hilary Duff, for example. But I doubt Epic has the money to shell out for a producer like Max, which is why we ended up with Martin. After the burning bridges tweet though, I think it is safe to say they'll never work together again. I'm sure she wrote plenty of "hits" with Bonnie and the Runners, why can't they just use those?
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