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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:21:29 GMT
I love it when fans trash Max and then forget that he produced both Alone and I Will Be. Max has definitely gone the generic pop route lately but he's always done that. That's why his songs become hits. I think if they tried to incorporate a bit more of Avril's own sound into the songs, the fans wouldn't mind her working with him. The only song they wrote together on GL that really had the Avril sound was Smile. For example, when Taylor worked with him on Red the songs were very pop but included acoustic guitars and still had that Taylor sound. And they were hits. Everyone keeps saying they want Avril back on top again and to have big hits again but they don't want her working with "hit makers." Well she's probably not gonna get hits working with obscure indie writers or whatever it is you want her to work with. Max Martin is THE place to go for hits, I just think they need to incoporate Avril's own sound more, use real instruments instead of synths and beats. I think Avril could do something like "All About You" by Hilary Duff, for example. But I doubt Epic has the money to shell out for a producer like Max, which is why we ended up with Martin. After the burning bridges tweet though, I think it is safe to say they'll never work together again. I'm sure she wrote plenty of "hits" with Bonnie and the Runners, why can't they just use those? Though I agree Alone one of her best songs, I trash I Will Be. His producing in I Will Be turned the song into an unoriginal pop ballad (but tbh the lyrics weren't good either). IMO Innocence and When You're Gone is a thousand times better than that song. (But Smile is definitely my favorite track from GL)
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 4, 2015 13:28:33 GMT
I love it when fans trash Max and then forget that he produced both Alone and I Will Be. Max has definitely gone the generic pop route lately but he's always done that. That's why his songs become hits. I think if they tried to incorporate a bit more of Avril's own sound into the songs, the fans wouldn't mind her working with him. The only song they wrote together on GL that really had the Avril sound was Smile. For example, when Taylor worked with him on Red the songs were very pop but included acoustic guitars and still had that Taylor sound. And they were hits. Everyone keeps saying they want Avril back on top again and to have big hits again but they don't want her working with "hit makers." Well she's probably not gonna get hits working with obscure indie writers or whatever it is you want her to work with. Max Martin is THE place to go for hits, I just think they need to incoporate Avril's own sound more, use real instruments instead of synths and beats. I think Avril could do something like "All About You" by Hilary Duff, for example. But I doubt Epic has the money to shell out for a producer like Max, which is why we ended up with Martin. After the burning bridges tweet though, I think it is safe to say they'll never work together again. I'm sure she wrote plenty of "hits" with Bonnie and the Runners, why can't they just use those? "After the burning bridges tweet, it is safe to say they'll never work together again" This makes me happy.
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 4, 2015 13:31:03 GMT
I love it when fans trash Max and then forget that he produced both Alone and I Will Be. Max has definitely gone the generic pop route lately but he's always done that. That's why his songs become hits. I think if they tried to incorporate a bit more of Avril's own sound into the songs, the fans wouldn't mind her working with him. The only song they wrote together on GL that really had the Avril sound was Smile. For example, when Taylor worked with him on Red the songs were very pop but included acoustic guitars and still had that Taylor sound. And they were hits. Everyone keeps saying they want Avril back on top again and to have big hits again but they don't want her working with "hit makers." Well she's probably not gonna get hits working with obscure indie writers or whatever it is you want her to work with. Max Martin is THE place to go for hits, I just think they need to incoporate Avril's own sound more, use real instruments instead of synths and beats. I think Avril could do something like "All About You" by Hilary Duff, for example. But I doubt Epic has the money to shell out for a producer like Max, which is why we ended up with Martin. After the burning bridges tweet though, I think it is safe to say they'll never work together again. I'm sure she wrote plenty of "hits" with Bonnie and the Runners, why can't they just use those? Though I agree Alone one of her best songs, I trash I Will Be. His producing in I Will Be turned the song into an unoriginal pop ballad (but tbh the lyrics weren't good either). IMO Innocence and When You're Gone is a thousand times better than that song. (But Smile is definitely my favorite track from GL) Actually, I've heard many Avril fans and casual listeners say that I Will Be being a perfect love/wedding song, whereas When Your Gone is said to be too cheesy. I love both songs though. Each to his own taste I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:02:51 GMT
Actually, I've heard many Avril fans and casual listeners say that I Will Be being a perfect love/wedding song, whereas When Your Gone is said to be too cheesy. I love both songs though. Each to his own taste I guess Avril protests : "It's not cheesy, because I wrote it", she said. "If I was older, a professional writer coming up with all that, that would be lame." -> lol this means that she thinks WYG's cheesy too So am I the only one who thinks I Will Be is Avril Lavigne's cheesiest song? I am currently listening to I Will Be, I see what you mean by the "perfect wedding song", but I still can't bring myself to like it.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Aug 4, 2015 16:21:33 GMT
Max Martin's Producing = Martin Johnson's Producing Well I agree that Max Martin is better, but their producing is basically similar. Unoriginal, boring beats. Um, completely inaccurate. Max is a seasoned and talented songwriter-producer, Johnson isn't. After John Lennon, Max has had the most #1 hits in recorded history. He wrote for Ace of Base, Spice Girls, N*Sync, Backstreet Boys, and Britney, and those were some DAMN good pop tunes. They might not be your cup of tea or suitable for Avril, but to say he's on the same level as Johnson is absolutely ludicrous.
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 4, 2015 16:33:38 GMT
I don't know how she's even a producer. MRS. JOANSON.
Even Avril's self produced songs sound better than hers. Production wise - Goodbye, 4 Real,Fly >>>>>>>>> 17, HTNGU, SOS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 7:25:00 GMT
I don't know how she's even a producer. MRS. JOANSON. Even Avril's self produced songs sound better than hers. Production wise - Goodbye, 4 Real,Fly >>>>>>>>> 17, HTNGU, SOS Um why is Martin Johnson... "she"? If this is a joke, I don't get it
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 5, 2015 8:30:03 GMT
I don't know how she's even a producer. MRS. JOANSON. Even Avril's self produced songs sound better than hers. Production wise - Goodbye, 4 Real,Fly >>>>>>>>> 17, HTNGU, SOS Um why is Martin Johnson... "she"? If this is a joke, I don't get it it is. I can't explain it. Difrerent sense of humor, i guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 14:11:30 GMT
Um why is Martin Johnson... "she"? If this is a joke, I don't get it it is. I can't explain it. Difrerent sense of humor, i guess. boys like girls?
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Post by Kaiye on Aug 5, 2015 17:14:19 GMT
it is. I can't explain it. Difrerent sense of humor, i guess. boys like girls? LOL it works too.
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Post by StrongSweet on Aug 5, 2015 17:55:18 GMT
Actually, I've heard many Avril fans and casual listeners say that I Will Be being a perfect love/wedding song, whereas When Your Gone is said to be too cheesy. I love both songs though. Each to his own taste I guess Avril protests : "It's not cheesy, because I wrote it", she said. "If I was older, a professional writer coming up with all that, that would be lame." -> lol this means that she thinks WYG's cheesy too So am I the only one who thinks I Will Be is Avril Lavigne's cheesiest song? I am currently listening to I Will Be, I see what you mean by the "perfect wedding song", but I still can't bring myself to like it. but that cheesy is what makes the song huge
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 0:21:32 GMT
unbelievable. 4 a sec i thought it was a prank
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