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Post by shifty on Jun 20, 2023 17:53:32 GMT
I've seen they just announced the EU dates as well. I'm anything but a Swiftie, though, I strongly believe we're talking about both one of the most influencial artists of the last 20 years and a tour that will become a generational event in music.
Given the above, I'm seriously thinking about buying tickets (if I'll manage to, I've read nightmare stories).
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Post by katy on Jun 21, 2023 22:17:42 GMT
Ok I’m registered for cardiff, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London and a random one in Germany because I enjoy a road trip aiming for cardiff with my midnights presale. Now I wait and pray to the ticketmaster gods
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 22, 2023 0:22:47 GMT
May the odds be ever in your favor lol
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Post by katy on Jul 5, 2023 16:16:52 GMT
Eeeek I’ve been selected for the random German ones I signed up for lol. The U.K. emails have been pushed back (shock). So I’m going all in on Germany next Wednesday then I’ll see where we are with the U.K. shows. Crossing my fingers my arms my legs EVERYTHING
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Post by eismann on Jul 5, 2023 20:57:21 GMT
I'm not even that much of a fan but still registered and got a chance at presale for Munich which is like the city furthest away... its the other end of Germany If anyone gets a ticket for Hamburg and doesn't want to go, dm me! Let's see how the prices are and if I get the chance to buy a ticket. Not sure how ticketmaster will be able to technically manage the amount of people who will try to buy tickets. And it is absolutely crazy to me how many concerts she is playing... and then doing like 3 hours. How does she not lose her voice? When does she relax? She is crazy. Avril meanwhile...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 5, 2023 22:38:27 GMT
I honestly think Taylor must take IV drips/vitamin B12 shots or something. There’s no way she can perform at the capacity she does without some kind of medical intervention. She’s very good at what she does, but she can’t risk having to cancel shows due to illness for example. I’ll bet she takes tons of vitamins, supplements, IVs, and probably has a good vocal coach or does extensive warmups and vocal steaming/nebulizing to ensure her voice stays healthy.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 6, 2023 15:34:08 GMT
I’m hearing that BTR was leaked and she changed the infamous slut shaming line. I won’t post it unless people want to know in case anyone’s trying to avoid spoilers.
Basically the line she changed it to makes it less slut shamey but still gets the point across that this girl stole her boyfriend, it also still manages to rhyme with the previous line like in the original. But idk how I feel about her changing it honestly. I get why after all these years she would want to because her views have changed but the re-recordings are not about that, their purpose is purely for reclaiming her old work and IMO changing something like a lyric, even if it’s just one line of one song, defeats the purpose if it’s not exactly the same as the original. The point was to devalue the original but changing a significant lyric doesn’t really do that. I also think the Rolling Stone article said it best when they said changing it would be like Taylor attempting to rewrite history. These were her views at 19, they may not be her views anymore and that’s more than fine. But she should own what her views were back then instead of trying to brush it under the rug and act like it never happened. If the line were something more problematic, like a racial or homophobic slur or something, it would be right to change it. But “she’s better known for the things that she does on the mattress” is hardly what I’d call so offensive it’s worth changing. On the other hand, it is only one line of one song that’s been changed as far as we know. I think it was unnecessary but I also don’t think it’s worth getting upset over as I have seen some fans doing. She also changed the production of Girl at Home on Red so I guess she’s not totally against making changes here and there.
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Post by katy on Jul 6, 2023 16:07:08 GMT
Agree, she should’ve left it. It’s not really an offensive line. The new line doesn’t really fit either.. like it makes sense but it just seems out of place. Like it’s clearly a line she’s written now and not at 19.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 6, 2023 16:22:19 GMT
Everyone is talking about that but I want to know if the production is Fearless TV level or Red TV. WANGBT, IKYWT,22, ATW, HG did not hit as hard as the OGs and I can't have that on SN.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 6, 2023 16:27:49 GMT
Agree, she should’ve left it. It’s not really an offensive line. The new line doesn’t really fit either.. like it makes sense but it just seems out of place. Like it’s clearly a line she’s written now and not at 19. Yeah and what’s even more pointless about it is that the new lyric doesn’t really make the girl sound any better, it’s just less slut shamey. It still more or less accomplishes the same thing, same message, just in a slightly less problematic way, so what did it really accomplish by changing it?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 6, 2023 16:34:09 GMT
I also think Taylor giving in every time people want her to change something is just… idk like stick to your choices and own them. It’s like how she felt the need to take out the bathroom scale scene out of the Anti Hero video because some people said it was “fatphobic” when that wasn’t the message of the scene at all. Now she is rewriting a lyric she wrote 13 years ago, I mean I think she was stuck between a rock and a hard place with this because if she didn’t change it, people would be saying all her “feminist” activism is fake and meaningless. I almost wonder if she didn’t change it because she feels bad about it/wanted to apologize to the girl/show her views have changed, or she purely did it to protect her image so people don’t call her activism fake. Wanting to change it out of a genuine feeling that she feels guilty for writing it and wants to make it right is one thing, changing it to protect your image is straight up slimy and cowardly.
One thing you can say about Avril is that at least she’s never cared what people thought and has always been unapologetic about her beliefs or music. She would never backtrack on any decision she’s made and has always owned her decisions and choices even if they weren’t popular or got her into trouble.
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Post by crylerjames23 on Jul 7, 2023 3:00:24 GMT
One more hour for me! So excited to hear the vault songs.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 7, 2023 6:01:45 GMT
The Vault songs reactions:
Fall out boy song - I can't even bother to recheck the title. Skipped as soon as Pat started singing, sorry dude.
WEFIL - 2000s romcom, it's cute. The chorus is catchy.
I Can See You - sounds different, i like the instrumental.
Crumbling Castles - kind of a let down ngl. I didn't want sad girl energy from them 🫤 did she write this for SN or Rep 🤨
Foolish One - did this song have to be so long? I skimmed thru most of it...
Timeless - love.love.love.
Thoughts on the rerecords: it's gonna take some time but overall good job. I don't think I know BTR like I thought I did. I didn't even notice the changed lyric but I love how she made it sound more like a pop punk song. Something's off with Haunted but it's not bad. It seems she mimicked her country self a little, but Ours will never hit the same as young Taylor. There just something special about the original. Long Live hit so hard tho. My faves sound good, but like I said I need time to get accustomed to the slight changes.
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Post by eismann on Jul 7, 2023 6:46:40 GMT
Agree, she should’ve left it. It’s not really an offensive line. The new line doesn’t really fit either.. like it makes sense but it just seems out of place. Like it’s clearly a line she’s written now and not at 19. Yeah and what’s even more pointless about it is that the new lyric doesn’t really make the girl sound any better, it’s just less slut shamey. It still more or less accomplishes the same thing, same message, just in a slightly less problematic way, so what did it really accomplish by changing it? I think you highlighted the difference already: Taylor took the slut-shaming out of the song. It's not about suddenly saying that other girl is a saint but slut shaming is a form of misogyny that needs to be called out just like racism or homophobia. I think it's a good thing she changed the line. She doesnt have to reproduce an insult over and over again if she doesnt feel like it anymore. It would be so self-limiting to have that line in the song out of some principles. I quite like the SN TV. I never liked her baby voice (except for Enchanted) but her more mature voice sounds good on the old songs.
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Post by katy on Jul 7, 2023 8:44:16 GMT
Ok I have to admit I just can’t get on board with the TV’s. The vault tracks are great to have but the original songs just aren’t the same. She can’t recreate that original magic and emotion. I still exclusively listen to the originals.
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