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Post by Anna on Nov 18, 2017 13:33:56 GMT
What works now very well are tour tickets bundles. So Avril should announce a tour across the US (sorry worldwide but US sales are the most important in this crazy industry) and sale tickets with her new album. However, her biggest problem here may be the lack of gigantic interest in buying tickets to see her live. She would need a well doing single on charts to be able to announce a medium size venues tour in the US. Announcing a small venues tour won't increase sales that much. Deluxe editions... All fine but it more like a treat for people who are ready to buy more than one copy of someone's album. They played it well for TBDT, they played it bad for AL.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 18, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
I laugh at the idea of Avril doing a tour here in the US. Seriously. Last time she could only tour here as an opening act for a decades old boyband. Her tours keep gradually getting smaller and smaller. I donโt think with her current status she would be able to even do a US tour, not unless she toured in smaller venues. And I think when she was asked in the FB live about plans for a tour she didnโt know yet.
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Nov 18, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
What works now very well are tour tickets bundles. So Avril should announce a tour across the US (sorry worldwide but US sales are the most important in this crazy industry) and sale tickets with her new album. However, her biggest problem here may be the lack of gigantic interest in buying tickets to see her live. She would need a well doing single on charts to be able to announce a medium size venues tour in the US. Announcing a small venues tour won't increase sales that much. Deluxe editions... All fine but it more like a treat for people who are ready to buy more than one copy of someone's album. They played it well for TBDT, they played it bad for AL. Tour bundles are actually a great idea, but sadly not for Avril. As of now there's no demand, but that could change with a string of top 20 singles or at least the album generating enough hype based on its quality. The key to being a successful touring artist is actually always doing shows. She barely even tours when she released an album is the past years and even then she hasn't toured the US. Her label and management would really have to step up their game if they want her to tour the world successfully. People say she should do smaller venues but would she even fill out a 2,000 US theater nowadays without a hit or general popularity?
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Nov 18, 2017 14:03:35 GMT
In her live chat she said she wrote a rock songs so the fans could rock out to them live. A tour is surely in the plans but I doubt it's going to be anything else but Asia and South America. At the end it all depends how her album will be received.
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Post by sammy2010 on Nov 18, 2017 14:31:54 GMT
I laugh at the idea of Avril doing a tour here in the US. Seriously. Last time she could only tour here as an opening act for a decades old boyband. Her tours keep gradually getting smaller and smaller. I donโt think with her current status she would be able to even do a US tour, not unless she toured in smaller venues. And I think when she was asked in the FB live about plans for a tour she didnโt know yet. Sorry, I hate to agree with this, but it's true. She was an opening act and the couple of shows she did alone didn't sell out in small venues. Didn't 1 even get cancelled for poor ticket sales? I think tour for US will not be until 2019..if the album comes out in 2018. But then early release the momentum for a 2019 wouldn't be great. It would need to be May. Sorry over thinking, I would hate to be an artist trying to figure out how to work thru the market
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Post by thyarchery on Nov 18, 2017 15:25:19 GMT
What works now very well are tour tickets bundles. So Avril should announce a tour across the US (sorry worldwide but US sales are the most important in this crazy industry) and sale tickets with her new album. However, her biggest problem here may be the lack of gigantic interest in buying tickets to see her live. She would need a well doing single on charts to be able to announce a medium size venues tour in the US. Announcing a small venues tour won't increase sales that much. Deluxe editions... All fine but it more like a treat for people who are ready to buy more than one copy of someone's album. They played it well for TBDT, they played it bad for AL. As much as I agree with you, then Avril is pretty screwed . First off it's debatable if she can physically go on tour due to her illness. And then the US is probably not the market who will receive her as warmly as to justify a tour. Maybe Japan and other Asian countries are more eligible for a tour.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 18, 2017 15:47:12 GMT
From what I remember she was supposed to have 2 solo shows in the US for AL, the one that got cancelled I think was due to her having to go to the hospital when she was really sick. Not ticket sales, that I know of.
The show that I went to was the last show of the tour and it was in Connecticut, so people from surrounding states like New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts could have gone. The theater was in a casino and it was about a 4,000 seat theater I think, I remember there were some empty seats but mostly in the bad sections like the upper deck where no one would want to sit. So I think in general she probably sold it pretty well. But a lot of the fans there seemed like casual fans to me, they didn't seem like they were super into her. Some of the Bandaids crew was also there and they were up front and of course giving her lots of support. Other than that it was pretty dead.
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Post by Sarah93 on Nov 18, 2017 15:52:04 GMT
I agree that it all depends on how the album will be received and how well the promo will go. I think that it also depends on her health... but if there ever is going to be a tour, I think it'll be in Asia and South America as some of you as said, where she's still strong, I hope the album will be equally successful even in the rest of the world, but I'm not too optimistic on that PS: I still remember how shocked I was when I read she was going to tour the States as an opening act for an early 2000's boy band... I hope it won't happen again
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 17:45:46 GMT
I don't care about Target Exclusive stuff at all, since it's not available here in Germany, only in the US, Canada, and India (according to their website). I want a decent deluxe edition that everyone around the world can buy. Like we had for TBDT. Two or three bonus tracks (but please not "Bad Reputation" or a lame acoustic version), a decent Behind The Scenes DVD, and - if possible - a track by track commentary for every track. Don't get me wrong, after all that Avril had to go through I'm very happy that she's currently making music at all. But a deluxe edition of AL6 would be the cherry on the cake, it'd make me so happy. But I fear that's just something to dream about. I have the impression that deluxe editions aren't very popular anymore. Or am I wrong (I hope I am)? Do other pop artists still release deluxe editions? The only artists I know that released Deluxe Editions for their recent records are Blink-182 and Sum 41. But I do agree that a Deluxe Edition from AL6 would be awesome. Even though we're not sure if it'll happen.
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Post by Hellelujah on Nov 18, 2017 17:50:44 GMT
Many times artists will do Target or Walmart exclusive editions because itโs a deal with the retailer. If fans can only get it from one specific store, that obviously works out well for the store selling it. Avril has never released a store-specific deluxe album, other than the Target edition of AL which didnโt have anything different except a slightly altered cover and a poorly done acoustic version of 1 song. Iโm not going to get my hopes up for any kind of deluxe edition, considering she is working under a smaller label, her last album didnโt sell a lot as it was, and sheโs been away from the scene for years. I donโt know that outside her fans there would be a lot of demand to buy multiple versions of her album, she is lucky to sell copies of the standard version. On the other hand, deluxe editions may entice people to buy it more. If by some chance there is a deluxe edition, I donโt expect it to be anything amazing. It will probably at best have 2 bonus tracks and acoustic or demo versions of some others. As much as Iโd love a BTS or track commentary I donโt think artists do that anymore. And Iโve come to expect the least when it comes to Avril these days. If anything, we may get bonus content elsewhere like her YouTube channel, and not on the album itself. Kind of like how Taylor teamed up with AT&T to release BTS of how she made the songs. And the Target release of her album was 2 magazines, rather than extra tracks or BTS. For other BMG artists so far, it doesnโt appear Nickelback released a deluxe copy of Feed the Machine and it only has 11 songs. Fergie did a visual deluxe edition of Double Dutchess but the album itself has 13 songs. The deluxe copy is music videos, no extra songs or BTS. I think this kind of stuff is sort of a thing of the past now. So I think if weโre to get any bonus content theyโll release it online and not put it on the album itself. Well, California by Blink-182 have 16 songs in regular edition, 1 japanese bonus track and a deluxe edition CD with 11 new songs and 1 acoustic released by BMG. So, Avril is still relevant as they are, even more in my opinion. If the album is that good as she said and her best one, I expect it doing very good in sells. If you are a fan you will probably buy the best edition of the album, it doesn't mean that everyone has to buy the best edition. It's better than put these tracks somewhere else where no one will ever hear or buy, and I know that in her last two albums she put away so many tracks that we will probably never hear.
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Post by Erik on Nov 18, 2017 19:42:14 GMT
Many times artists will do Target or Walmart exclusive editions because itโs a deal with the retailer. If fans can only get it from one specific store, that obviously works out well for the store selling it. Avril has never released a store-specific deluxe album, other than the Target edition of AL which didnโt have anything different except a slightly altered cover and a poorly done acoustic version of 1 song. Iโm not going to get my hopes up for any kind of deluxe edition, considering she is working under a smaller label, her last album didnโt sell a lot as it was, and sheโs been away from the scene for years. I donโt know that outside her fans there would be a lot of demand to buy multiple versions of her album, she is lucky to sell copies of the standard version. On the other hand, deluxe editions may entice people to buy it more. If by some chance there is a deluxe edition, I donโt expect it to be anything amazing. It will probably at best have 2 bonus tracks and acoustic or demo versions of some others. As much as Iโd love a BTS or track commentary I donโt think artists do that anymore. And Iโve come to expect the least when it comes to Avril these days. If anything, we may get bonus content elsewhere like her YouTube channel, and not on the album itself. Kind of like how Taylor teamed up with AT&T to release BTS of how she made the songs. And the Target release of her album was 2 magazines, rather than extra tracks or BTS. For other BMG artists so far, it doesnโt appear Nickelback released a deluxe copy of Feed the Machine and it only has 11 songs. Fergie did a visual deluxe edition of Double Dutchess but the album itself has 13 songs. The deluxe copy is music videos, no extra songs or BTS. I think this kind of stuff is sort of a thing of the past now. So I think if weโre to get any bonus content theyโll release it online and not put it on the album itself. Well, California by Blink-182 have 16 songs in regular edition, 1 japanese bonus track and a deluxe edition CD with 11 new songs and 1 acoustic released by BMG. So, Avril is still relevant as they are, even more in my opinion. If the album is that good as she said and her best one, I expect it doing very good in sells. If you are a fan you will probably buy the best edition of the album, it doesn't mean that everyone has to buy the best edition. It's better than put this tracks somewhere where no one will ever hear or buy, and I know that in her last two albums she put away so many tracks that we will probably never hear. or just release an album with a decent amount of tracks, with a medium price, like artists do now. japan bonus OK, but I never ever bought an album twice (standard + deluxe). Deluxe is worth when is something more special, like a DVD. I never understand why artists put out a standard and a deluxe. Like, only hard-core fans will buy the both IMO.
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Post by Hellelujah on Nov 18, 2017 21:04:07 GMT
Well, California by Blink-182 have 16 songs in regular edition, 1 japanese bonus track and a deluxe edition CD with 11 new songs and 1 acoustic released by BMG. So, Avril is still relevant as they are, even more in my opinion. If the album is that good as she said and her best one, I expect it doing very good in sells. If you are a fan you will probably buy the best edition of the album, it doesn't mean that everyone has to buy the best edition. It's better than put this tracks somewhere where no one will ever hear or buy, and I know that in her last two albums she put away so many tracks that we will probably never hear. or just release an album with a decent amount of tracks, with a medium price, like artists do now. japan bonus OK, but I never ever bought an album twice (standard + deluxe). Deluxe is worth when is something more special, like a DVD. I never understand why artists put out a standard and a deluxe. Like, only hard-core fans will buy the both IMO. Yes, but why both? If both are out at the same time a fan would probably buy the deluxe one and no both of them. In the case that the deluxe is out later you can buy the extra tracks on itunes without buy the whole album again. I know many ppl likes DVD but it's not the thing right now, they put the bts on youtube or via itunes.
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Post by pllforlife on Nov 18, 2017 22:16:05 GMT
Deluxe and regular count towards same sales. The only thing is Avril is always on the tail end of trends. Example, the deluxe singles for WYWH or naming her fan base. It's cool until it isn't.
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Post by sammy2010 on Nov 18, 2017 22:38:25 GMT
Bored Saturday...Avril was sick and went to the hospital missing one of her opening acts for (ugg) BSB. The one solo show in a small venue was cancelled with no explanation, Ohio. Cancelled before she ended up in the ER.
But again I will say, I went to her opening for Backstreet. Totally enjoyed it. The non fan, I dragged along, ended up enjoying her. Person actually downloaded a couple of songs after!
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Post by orangesky on Nov 18, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
I would have assumed Deluxe Editions cost a little more for the extras? Therefore fans will buy the more expensive version to get all the extras while the regular version is for people who don't want to fork out a few dollars more for a couple extras but the company makes a little more money from the fans still. I could be wrong.
I think deluxe versions make more sense when they're released over a year later as a bonus EP (like Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster) where you could just buy the EP for the new songs if you're a fan but if you're not and don't already have the album it brings interest back to it and you might buy the deluxe because you like some older album songs and newer EP songs. It's sort of like a mini album release mid way between full length albums.
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