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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 5:19:15 GMT
She has a label, I don't think she's able to talk about the album, like saying ok guys: we are planning to release the 1st single on February 2 and the album on middle April. And I worked with these producers: Jr Rotem, and here is the tracklist. Obviuosly she cancelled the FB live for a reason. Maybe her label talked to her to not to talk about the album anymore. She explained why the album was not released this year and they were still working on it, She said they would start mixing on december. So next is mastering, final touches and final cut, they can't do that in a day an then release eveything before the end of the year. If you check the songs that were registered she didn't lie, they have many writers on it, which means that the songs were re-worked several times. Probably she had a Goodbye Lullaby 2.0: the lyrics are good but she isn't very poetic on the songs. With the Facebook live was obvious anything was coming out this year but some fans were still hoping for something and continue asking and calling her a liar when there's a reason why the album was not released this year. Her big mistake was to write the 2017 in her 2016 Christmas post. And we don't know how long she stays on the studio. Because she is not posting a microphone picture it doesn't mean she's in her home drinking wine. Also is a job she doesn't have to be there 24/7 she has a life and we don't even know how her health is. I'm not kissing her ass, I am just trying to understand her. And about the sound even if she goes country, jazz, gospel, eletronic, pop-rock, R&B, etc. She will loose and get fans. The last two eras were a mess for most of us but she got new fans, and probably lost some. That's normal. She can take the musical direction she wants even if is bad it's her art not ours if we don't like AL6 we just don't buy her art. Look Taylor, I'm sure she lost many of them after RED and won many more with 1989. Bravo. I agree 100%. People think they own her around here, not to mention her whole outlook and priorities changed (she said) when she became ill.
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Post by thyarchery on Dec 26, 2017 10:32:26 GMT
One thing. I am not very savvy about electronic music and I can't quite distinguish the sub-genres within it, but maybe there's a possibility it sounds like Radiohead latest albums? or Lorde's? I think both sounds could suit Avril if well managed. As much as I usually hate electronic music, I still think we could give it a try. There are great electronic songs out there by artists who weren't into dance music. Heart of glass by Blondie comes to my head right now. Beware, those are sub-genres of rock or indie, not pure house music or dance. The artists you mentioned come from alternative music environments and have come to experiment with electronic sounds, without abandoning their background. The Bondies are new wave, Radiohead art rock, Lorde indie pop: these are very different musical genres, which are placed in different eras and feed on different influences. If I'm not mistaken, the DJs who work with Avril collaborate with very commercial dance-pop singers and I don't think they're reproducers accustomed to experimenting and grafting electronic sounds into alternative genres. House music or dance pop are very far from experimental rock that uses electronic sounds, they come from totally different branches (Electronic dance music versus electronica). A producers who are more able to introduce electronic sounds into pop-rock songs seems to Rotem, Chad or Travis Clark. But anyway it seems very difficult for me that Avril reaches the levels of composition and experimentation of Radiohead, perhaps she could approach the more commercial Blondie songs or Lorde. But if you think about it you have already done what you say in recent years: in many songs of the last records we hear more synths and electronic sounds while remaining in the genre pop contaminated with more pop-rock or pop-punk influences. It would be a drastically different thing to switch to house music,a very particular subgenus of the EDM. If Avril had worked with different producers who do electronic music together with rock bands maybe we would have had a certainty. Obviously, as has been said, not all producers specializing in a musical genre necessarily create songs of the same kind, so we can only make hypotheses based on their experience. I'd love if Avril will do indie pop, inspired by Lorde or Lykke Li, whom she appreciated 'Follow rivers'. In any case, it's very fashionable today to resume the disco sound or atmospheres new wave of the eighties to mix it with pop-rock contemporary music, see 'She Keeps Me Up' by Nickelback or 'Hard Times' by Paramore. It is definitely a rock band way to better adapt to the needs of today's music market Thank you. As I have told you, I don't know much about the electronic music scene. I come from a rock environment and my friends and I call "electronic"- likely making a gross assumption- whatever thing that uses synths heavily- such as Radiohead last works, or Muse's The Second Law. Anyways the example of Paramore seems right too. Their last album is by no means my favourite, but I have to admit they have somehow managed to make a nice blend of their own sound and lyrics with the 80s-inspired disco influence.
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Post by katy on Dec 26, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
Well to play devils advocate, respect goes both ways. Some of the fans haven’t exactly been respectful towards her either. She should have been more communicative with us about the status of the album, but she hasn’t been exactly disrespectful to us. Being disrespectful would have been like if she said “screw my fans” or whatever. On the other hand, some fans on social media have been very rude like that. Being disrespectful isn’t necessarily saying or doing something, it is also ignoring things. If someone ignores you , they’re being disrespectful and unpolite. Fans have been asking all year long for an update on the album and she’s been quiet about it all the time AFTER promising new music on Christmas 2016. How does she want people to be? Happy? For crying out loud, I’m so done with people kissing her arse all the time and feeling sorry for her when she’s been pretty shitty with us all year long. She and Gabe have mocked the fans in several posts by saying “I’m working bitches, I’m in the studio, LIKE working”, how do you take that? Or how do you take the fact that we created a great TBDT anniversary video for her and she wasn’t even kind enough to say THANKS? She magically appeared a couple of months ago to raise money for her campaign on that livestream, because she wasn’t getting even close to the goal. What about afterwards? She promised a second livestream, cancelled and erased all evidence of that. And let’s not begin with the “she doesn’t have time” because she’s been more on vacay this year than actually working. Let’s take the facts as they are. She’s horrible communicating with fans and that leads to coming off as disrespectful. She’s an artist, this IS part of her job. Lets open our eyes and stop justifying the unjustifiable. Spot on
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Post by paperbackwriter on Dec 26, 2017 12:23:49 GMT
Youtube won't remove a fan video made specially for Avril just because her music's in it wtf. There are videos on there of people getting burned alive, shot (sad but true) and other awful things yet you think youtube will delete an avril fan video that people have worked hard on if she mentions it. And it has nothing to do with social media. Nobody originally liked her because she didn't communicate with her fans. She communicated alot more before social media. She had a fan mail address, people would always send her stuff and she would personally write back or someone from her team would, she would atleast acknowledge her fans. She would always do free mall tours, she would always write personal updates on her official website signed by her, so NO her not communicating with her fans is not why everyone originally liked her. They will delete a video if it has copyrighted music in it. That's how horrible videos get past them while innocuous ones get their audio deleted or the whole video deleted. There are plenty of examples of that and disgusting people know how to cheat the system. And Avril does communicate with us. She obviously doesn't like social media very much so when she posts is mostly for us. Some fans just don't like what she has to say. And her fanmail account is down to her management and she's been jumping around so much she hasn't had one but they really should fix that now. We all know her management teams these last several years haven't been the greatest. Nettwerk management seems to have been the one who had their shit together for her. She did they free mall tour during UMS promotion and that was also come up with by management. Avril can suggest things but her management has final say on any tours or anything like that. Her blogs also used to be few and far between if I remember correctly. It really seems to me she communicates more now that she did then.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 26, 2017 13:43:12 GMT
I don’t really get what people are complaining about. It wasn’t that long ago she wrote that quick message to say she was trying to make it the best it can be and it would be here “before you know it.” Then in the FB live which also wasn’t that long ago, she told us even more about the album, that she had to wait for the producers she wanted, and she planned to wrap production by November. We got most of the answers we were looking for. Now we’re just waiting to hear if the album is complete and when we can expect the first single. In her Christmas post she said “can’t wait to show you what I’ve been working on in 2018.” I mean, I don’t get what more you guys want from her? No matter what she says, it’s never enough. And who cares about the stupid FB live she didn’t do? Sure, it would have been nice for her to do another one but it’s obviously not happening so just let it go already. Maybe she’ll do one when the single is released so she’ll have something more substantial to talk about. I gaurantee when the single/album is out none of us is going to remember how annoying the wait was, we’re all just gonna be so happy to hear the new music.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 14:07:02 GMT
I don’t really get what people are complaining about. It wasn’t that long ago she wrote that quick message to say she was trying to make it the best it can be and it would be here “before you know it.” Then in the FB live which also wasn’t that long ago, she told us even more about the album, that she had to wait for the producers she wanted, and she planned to wrap production by November. We got most of the answers we were looking for. Now we’re just waiting to hear if the album is complete and when we can expect the first single. In her Christmas post she said “can’t wait to show you what I’ve been working on in 2018.” I mean, I don’t get what more you guys want from her? No matter what she says, it’s never enough. And who cares about the stupid FB live she didn’t do? Sure, it would have been nice for her to do another one but it’s obviously not happening so just let it go already. Maybe she’ll do one when the single is released so she’ll have something more substantial to talk about. I gaurantee when the single/album is out none of us is going to remember how annoying the wait was, we’re all just gonna be so happy to hear the new music. 👏 Then I don't understand, the live on facebook was aimed at promoting the charity campaign, it wasn't to listen to fans or communicate news on the disc. We must be grateful to her if she has not only talked about the campaign and told us so much about the record. The second live didn't take place because she was working, I don't see what problem there's. What should she add? For many people no announcement will ever be enough. The problem of those who want everything immediately is not learning to wait with optimism, but to be realistic and reduce expectations. I'd like to have the record tomorrow too, but if I know the albun is not ready, I don't think it's appropriate to claim it. It will probably take another two or three months, if everything goes well with BMG.
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Post by firdaus92 on Dec 26, 2017 14:42:46 GMT
It's annoying to see/read comments as if they own her. You want her to say this and that, do this and that, post this and that, update this and that. She's not a robot! If you want to stop being her fans, just do it already. A lot of us don't find her being disrespectful and no, we don't kiss her ass.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 26, 2017 15:13:56 GMT
^ This. I don't think we're "kissing her ass" or making excuses for her, we're just trying to be understanding of her situation and try to find reasonable explanations for why things are happening the way they are. Jumping to conclusions and assuming she's doing this on purpose just to be a dick to her fans is just as bad. I'd like to believe she isn't being disrespectful towards us, I can't give an explanation for why she never watched the TBDT video, but she never watched the UMS one either. She mentioned when she was sick that she watched lots of fan videos, and while she never thanked anyone then, she did mention it as a general comment later on and said it touched her. Maybe she just isn't the type of person who watches fan videos and feels the need to say thank you to every person who makes one. I've made videos for Dalton before, even giving them on a DVD to him personally, I never even knew if he watched them or not, but someone who was closer to him told me he did, I never heard a thank you or anything. Sure, it sucks, but you learn to just accept it and maybe stop putting in the effort and time to make videos if it makes you feel that angry, rather than continue being upset over something you can't do anything about. I'm sure she saw it, given how many fans were tweeting it to her. For whatever reason, she just didn't feel like acknowledging it, or maybe she put it on her "to do list" to watch it at a later point and just ended up forgetting about it. She IS a busy person and is dealing with a lot regarding her health and other personal matters. I'm sure we've all had experiences where we put things off til later and ended up forgetting about them completely. She is human too, like all of us. I'm sure it's never her intention to be purposely malicious towards her fans. Put yourself in her place for a second and think how you would feel if you had "fans" bitching at you constantly when she's trying to do her best with this new album while recovering from a severe illness. If it were me, I would have decided to shelve it with how bratty some people are being. You're lucky she isn't being as "rude and disrespectful" as she probably feels like being with the way some of those people talk to her. As far as I'm concerned, she has said as much about the progress of the album as she probably can. And at the end of the day, there is nothing we can do to make it go faster or make her say or do anything she doesn't want to. The sooner you just accept that and move on with your life, the happier you'll be. It's just an album. I'm just thankful she is healthier now and that she even has the ability to make an album at all. People are complaining so much about the wait without remembering that she was sick for a good 2-3 years. I was honestly surprised to hear she was working on a new album so soon. And while her recent announcement sounds like the Avril who cried wolf, I do believe we can reasonably expect the album to be released this year. We're almost there!
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Post by Sarah93 on Dec 26, 2017 16:04:47 GMT
^ This. I don't think we're "kissing her ass" or making excuses for her, we're just trying to be understanding of her situation and try to find reasonable explanations for why things are happening the way they are. Jumping to conclusions and assuming she's doing this on purpose just to be a dick to her fans is just as bad. I'd like to believe she isn't being disrespectful towards us, I can't give an explanation for why she never watched the TBDT video, but she never watched the UMS one either. She mentioned when she was sick that she watched lots of fan videos, and while she never thanked anyone then, she did mention it as a general comment later on and said it touched her. Maybe she just isn't the type of person who watches fan videos and feels the need to say thank you to every person who makes one. I've made videos for Dalton before, even giving them on a DVD to him personally, I never even knew if he watched them or not, but someone who was closer to him told me he did, I never heard a thank you or anything. Sure, it sucks, but you learn to just accept it and maybe stop putting in the effort and time to make videos if it makes you feel that angry, rather than continue being upset over something you can't do anything about. I'm sure she saw it, given how many fans were tweeting it to her. For whatever reason, she just didn't feel like acknowledging it, or maybe she put it on her "to do list" to watch it at a later point and just ended up forgetting about it. She IS a busy person and is dealing with a lot regarding her health and other personal matters. I'm sure we've all had experiences where we put things off til later and ended up forgetting about them completely. She is human too, like all of us. I'm sure it's never her intention to be purposely malicious towards her fans. Put yourself in her place for a second and think how you would feel if you had "fans" bitching at you constantly when she's trying to do her best with this new album while recovering from a severe illness. If it were me, I would have decided to shelve it with how bratty some people are being. You're lucky she isn't being as "rude and disrespectful" as she probably feels like being with the way some of those people talk to her. As far as I'm concerned, she has said as much about the progress of the album as she probably can. And at the end of the day, there is nothing we can do to make it go faster or make her say or do anything she doesn't want to. The sooner you just accept that and move on with your life, the happier you'll be. It's just an album. I'm just thankful she is healthier now and that she even has the ability to make an album at all. People are complaining so much about the wait without remembering that she was sick for a good 2-3 years. I was honestly surprised to hear she was working on a new album so soon. And while her recent announcement sounds like the Avril who cried wolf, I do believe we can reasonably expect the album to be released this year. We're almost there! I agree with you 100%! you couldn't have said it better A good friend of mine always tells me to try and put yourself in someone else's shoes before judging, and what you said is true. Tbh I don't understand all the complaining either, I think she's shared even more than I would have ever expected from her. Not only has she shared album updates but some personal infos as well, thx to social media so I'm really glad and happy for this year and can't wait for 2018 for the new album, whenever it'll be released
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 16:12:42 GMT
She may have watched the video and hated it and didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings....
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 26, 2017 16:21:44 GMT
I think that Avril, and other celebrities as well, generally don't say much about fan-made videos and such because it's like if they notice one video, then someone else who made one will feel bad if theirs doesn't get noticed. So it's just easier for everyone not to say anything specific about any videos so that no one's feelings get hurt I guess. On the other hand, the UMS and TBDT videos were made by a group of her biggest fans and you'd think she would notice it/say something about it but oh well. Even if she didn't say anything, it doesn't mean she didn't appreciate it. I prefer to believe that she does appreciate those kinds of videos from her fans and that it touches her. I mean, what artist wouldn't like a video like that? So even if she didn't say anything about it, I think we can trust she liked it and appreciates it.
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Post by Erik on Dec 26, 2017 16:52:24 GMT
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Post by YänniBanäni on Dec 26, 2017 17:14:44 GMT
I think we all got now that you are waiting desperately. (I think we all do...) But it's not getting better doing a post about it every 2 hours. I really can understand your frustration. But it is really annoying seeing those posts that are not adding any substance to the topic.
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Post by kyris89 on Dec 26, 2017 17:21:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:25:21 GMT
I think that Avril, and other celebrities as well, generally don't say much about fan-made videos and such because it's like if they notice one video, then someone else who made one will feel bad if theirs doesn't get noticed. So it's just easier for everyone not to say anything specific about any videos so that no one's feelings get hurt I guess. On the other hand, the UMS and TBDT videos were made by a group of her biggest fans and you'd think she would notice it/say something about it but oh well. Even if she didn't say anything, it doesn't mean she didn't appreciate it. I prefer to believe that she does appreciate those kinds of videos from her fans and that it touches her. I mean, what artist wouldn't like a video like that? So even if she didn't say anything about it, I think we can trust she liked it and appreciates it. In fact, the only goal should be to send a video of her and hope she likes it, not to receive answers or wait for her to share these videos. She often does it for her birthday, very sweetly. Then there are literally obsessed fans that torment her to get noticed or to get visibility through personal creations, for personal ego and not for her. There're important accounts that Avril follows on twitter who verbally assaulted her for not getting a response after sending a videos. Understand that the problem is not Avril.
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