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Post by Sarah93 on Jan 13, 2018 7:36:27 GMT
Ariana Grande has released 2 albums since AL5 and I'm really sure we'll have a 3th one before AL6 drops. Probably Taylor will start writing her 7th when AL6 comes out. I really want an Avril that releases albums every 2-3 years even if she doesn't do tours. I'm sure she must have at least 30 unreleased songs worth of listening. In another reality we should be in AL8-AL9 Taylor's released two albums since AL5, so has Miley, and almost everyone else. If Avril weren't beaten by a bug and didn't have Lyme disease and didn't write her own songs.... you guys are completely right
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Post by gabbox on Jan 13, 2018 9:57:14 GMT
Avril says she had lyme so she couldn't release albums, yes maybe true.
But We waited 3 years for The best damn Thing. Oh and 4 for Goodbye Lullaby.
Now 5. I mean, she's perfectly on her timing. -.-
I will be honest: I hope this era will be great and cool, because when she will release 7th record I will probably be something like 34 y.o. maybe she will have a child (now or never), I mean.. this next record is gonna be the new "last" record for quite a few years.
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Post by orangesky on Jan 13, 2018 12:34:15 GMT
Does anyone wonder if maybe, after so much time out of the spotlight and only performing live once in the past few years and having 2 albums that weren't hugely successful like her first three that Avril might be, I don't know, scared about releasing new stuff? Like, maybe after all that she's lost her confidence and is second guessing herself and what her fans and the public want from her music and that's part of the reason she's being wirting for so long?
I could be completely wrong but coming back after such a long absence must be hard and it could hit someone's confidence.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2018 13:30:19 GMT
I donโt think so tbh. She has never seemed to be worried about what people will think, I mean she released Hello Kitty without trepidation. An artist would never succeed in this business if they cared too much about what others think. And sheโs always said that she makes music for herself first.
I think originally all the songs were about Lyme and stuff but now that sheโs been better and moved on to a new relationship, those songs need to reflect that. And she probably felt the same as the fans about AL, that some of the songs could have been better. An album shouldnโt have mostly good songs with only a few great ones. Every song should be awesome, every song should be strong, every song should have its place on the album and not just feel like a filler or like its only there for single potential. Thatโs probably what sheโs trying to achieve is making sure every single song is strong and that sheโs happy with it.
A label will keep songs even if the artist leaves the label unless they have some kind of deal to give them back. They will either use them for other artists or they will release them when Avril is... not with us anymore. Thatโs exactly what Epic did with Michael Jackson, even though heโs dead. Yep the music industry is sick like that. If the artist wants the songs back, they usually have to buy them. Thatโs what Scotty McCreery did when he was dropped from his label while recording his new album and instead of starting over from scratch, he bought back all the songs he had written/recorded.
I donโt think it matters much because I honestly doubt at this point she will be using many of the songs she wrote with Chad. A few she wrote while ill, some with Zane, the rest I think will be more recent. Thereโs also always been a pattern of including a song that didnโt make the cut of a previous album (EBBY from UMS to TBDT, Darlin from pre-LG to GL, Hello Heartache and possibly Hush Hush from GL to AL). So we may even see one of the AL rejects on here like one of the tripod songs.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2018 13:42:12 GMT
Why should Avril care how many albums other artists have released? She went through a serious illness and Iโm surprised she even started working on new music after that. People always like to point out the gaps between albums but if you think about it, she was working during those years. 3 years between albums is not that long and is average for many artists.
The Bonez Tour lasted for a year until fall 2005 then in 2006 she was working on films and probably the beginning stages of Abbey Dawn. She got married. After her honeymoon, she started immediately on TBDT.
4 years between TBDT and GL. Well, had it not been for the delay, it would have been released in 2009. She also got divorced and understandably held the release. And Iโm 2009 she was still doing stuff with fragrances, Abbey Dawn, and in 2010 she did Alice.
AL would have been released in 2012 or top of 2013 if it hadnโt been delayed by Epic. She finished the Black Star Tour at the beginning of 2012. Had the album ready by the end of that same year. In 2013 she released singles and also got married again.
She toured throughout 2014 then got sick. In April 2015 she announced she had Lyme. She released Fly, a song fans had been dying to hear (and look at how little anyone cares about it now, thatโs why I donโt really see what the point is in her releasing unreleased songs when most of them are pretty meh). She performed at the Special Olympics and recorded in her Home studio.
In 2016 she was still writing, recovering, and started dating Ryan. At the end of the year she announced the album. In 2017 she moved to BMG, started production in summer, started dating Rotem. Up to where we are now. Itโs not like sheโs been sitting on her ass all this time.
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Post by orangesky on Jan 13, 2018 13:53:54 GMT
I donโt think it matters much because I honestly doubt at this point she will be using many of the songs she wrote with Chad. A few she wrote while ill, some with Zane, the rest I think will be more recent. Thereโs also always been a pattern of including a song that didnโt make the cut of a previous album (EBBY from UMS to TBDT, Darlin from pre-LG to GL, Hello Heartache and possibly Hush Hush from GL to AL). So we may even see one of the AL rejects on here like one of the tripod songs. You forgot about DTM being written before LG came out and then making it onto UMS. I hope she follows this pattern again although I can probably live without hearing any AL rejects.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2018 14:18:45 GMT
I donโt think it matters much because I honestly doubt at this point she will be using many of the songs she wrote with Chad. A few she wrote while ill, some with Zane, the rest I think will be more recent. Thereโs also always been a pattern of including a song that didnโt make the cut of a previous album (EBBY from UMS to TBDT, Darlin from pre-LG to GL, Hello Heartache and possibly Hush Hush from GL to AL). So we may even see one of the AL rejects on here like one of the tripod songs. You forgot about DTM being written before LG came out and then making it onto UMS. I hope she follows this pattern again although I can probably live without hearing any AL rejects. Ah yes I knew there was something for UMS, but couldnโt think of it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:30:34 GMT
Why should Avril care how many albums other artists have released? She went through a serious illness and Iโm surprised she even started working on new music after that. People always like to point out the gaps between albums but if you think about it, she was working during those years. 3 years between albums is not that long and is average for many artists. The Bonez Tour lasted for a year until fall 2005 then in 2006 she was working on films and probably the beginning stages of Abbey Dawn. She got married. After her honeymoon, she started immediately on TBDT. 4 years between TBDT and GL. Well, had it not been for the delay, it would have been released in 2009. She also got divorced and understandably held the release. And Iโm 2009 she was still doing stuff with fragrances, Abbey Dawn, and in 2010 she did Alice. AL would have been released in 2012 or top of 2013 if it hadnโt been delayed by Epic. She finished the Black Star Tour at the beginning of 2012. Had the album ready by the end of that same year. In 2013 she released singles and also got married again. She toured throughout 2014 then got sick. In April 2015 she announced she had Lyme. She released Fly, a song fans had been dying to hear (and look at how little anyone cares about it now, thatโs why I donโt really see what the point is in her releasing unreleased songs when most of them are pretty meh). She performed at the Special Olympics and recorded in her Home studio. In 2016 she was still writing, recovering, and started dating Ryan. At the end of the year she announced the album. In 2017 she moved to BMG, started production in summer, started dating Rotem. Up to where we are now. Itโs not like sheโs been sitting on her ass all this time. ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ Exact!!! And I think that many forget all this. There're bands or artists who have announced the upcoming releases and after more than ten years their fans are still waiting without having any kind of interaction, communication or explanation. Shania Twain's fans waited more than a decade before they got the record, for example. I think it's absurd to demand that an artist communicate every month what he's doing to his fans to reassure them. An artist has his private moments and moments in which he has only a lifetime of work, usually in the working ones, disappears completely before the future publication until it's ready, and must not say anything to anyone in the meantime. We must be grateful if Avril has already told us something, takes us into consideration and takes care of contacts more than many others. For example, Alanis Morisette has a huge following, especially for adults, has disappeared for many years and has no form of online interaction with her fans. Avril should be considered a miracle of psychiatry for maintaining discrete levels of mental health despite having achieved a great reputation and had huge problems with the record companies, problems so frustrating and abnormal that we can't even imagine. It's very rare that there're pop stars without mental problems that have not suffered from lack of privacy or fame. It's likely that Avril suffers a lot because she can't find a stable love affair because of a difficult working life for the rhythms that she wants. Yet most of her own fans continue to demand and treating her with profound contempt, as if she isn't a human but a machine programmed to produce music to their liking.
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Post by Meteora on Jan 13, 2018 14:39:54 GMT
Why should Avril care how many albums other artists have released? She went through a serious illness and Iโm surprised she even started working on new music after that. People always like to point out the gaps between albums but if you think about it, she was working during those years. 3 years between albums is not that long and is average for many artists. The Bonez Tour lasted for a year until fall 2005 then in 2006 she was working on films and probably the beginning stages of Abbey Dawn. She got married. After her honeymoon, she started immediately on TBDT. 4 years between TBDT and GL. Well, had it not been for the delay, it would have been released in 2009. She also got divorced and understandably held the release. And Iโm 2009 she was still doing stuff with fragrances, Abbey Dawn, and in 2010 she did Alice. AL would have been released in 2012 or top of 2013 if it hadnโt been delayed by Epic. She finished the Black Star Tour at the beginning of 2012. Had the album ready by the end of that same year. In 2013 she released singles and also got married again. She toured throughout 2014 then got sick. In April 2015 she announced she had Lyme. She released Fly, a song fans had been dying to hear (and look at how little anyone cares about it now, thatโs why I donโt really see what the point is in her releasing unreleased songs when most of them are pretty meh). She performed at the Special Olympics and recorded in her Home studio. In 2016 she was still writing, recovering, and started dating Ryan. At the end of the year she announced the album. In 2017 she moved to BMG, started production in summer, started dating Rotem. Up to where we are now. Itโs not like sheโs been sitting on her ass all this time. She also worked with many other artists and some of those works have been released such as Get Over it ft. Nick Carter and Wings clipped ft. Grey, the still unreleased song for Charming movie ft Ashley Tisdale and Demi Lovato, and Also the voice of Snow white for the film itself. True, she hasn't been that out of the spot that much when one comes to think of all of these years.
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Post by giraffeandy on Jan 13, 2018 14:58:04 GMT
Ariana Grande has released 2 albums since AL5 and I'm really sure we'll have a 3th one before AL6 drops. Probably Taylor will start writing her 7th when AL6 comes out. I really want an Avril that releases albums every 2-3 years even if she doesn't do tours. I'm sure she must have at least 30 unreleased songs worth of listening. In another reality we should be in AL8-AL9 If she can't use the songs she recorded when she was in Sony I'm sure she can leak them. I think she has a copy of all those unreleased songs and MVs. As far as I know AG doesn't write her albums herself, does she? I know she maybe co-wrote some songs but she has many songs written by other people. That's not comparable imo. Tbh most of my favourite artists who write their albums release a new album every 3-4 years. AL was released November 2013 and after that Avril was ill for quite a long time. So I still wouldn't gave up on her. I know she promised to release the album in 2017 but there wasn't any official announcement and now it's only January 2018... It's still better than announcing a date, name and cover, planning a tour and starting to pre-order the album before it's even done like the FOB did last year.
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Post by Erik on Jan 13, 2018 15:17:13 GMT
^ You guys have some truth. I kinda agree. It didn't bothered me that she is not releasing albums in 2 years. I just don't like the fact that she said something (or recorded it like FB Live) and it is not happening, and we are just speculating why.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jan 13, 2018 15:17:41 GMT
If she wrote songs and recorded them in the home studio or a privately owned studio, with no expense to a label, wouldn't she own the rights to those songs? Like those 16 songs? The songwriter owns the song/composition, not the record company. It is intellectual property. Like any property, it can be bought, sold or given away. If an artist sells a song, it will most likely be sold to a music publisher. In most cases where the song is not sold to a publisher, the artist will still have a publisher administrate the song for a share of the profit. That means the publisher will sell mechanical licenses, collect mechanical royalties, as well as distribute those royalties. A recording contract between an artist and record company will usually set terms for the production and distribution of recordings. These can be very complicated. Of course, I don't know the details of any of her contracts. But, I can tell you this. A record company, like BMG, is unlikely to sign a deal with an artist that has not fulfilled the terms of their previous contract. The same would be true of management companies and advertising agencies.
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Post by gabbox on Jan 13, 2018 15:26:59 GMT
Why should Avril care how many albums other artists have released? She went through a serious illness and Iโm surprised she even started working on new music after that. People always like to point out the gaps between albums but if you think about it, she was working during those years. 3 years between albums is not that long and is average for many artists. The Bonez Tour lasted for a year until fall 2005 then in 2006 she was working on films and probably the beginning stages of Abbey Dawn. She got married. After her honeymoon, she started immediately on TBDT. 4 years between TBDT and GL. Well, had it not been for the delay, it would have been released in 2009. She also got divorced and understandably held the release. And Iโm 2009 she was still doing stuff with fragrances, Abbey Dawn, and in 2010 she did Alice. AL would have been released in 2012 or top of 2013 if it hadnโt been delayed by Epic. She finished the Black Star Tour at the beginning of 2012. Had the album ready by the end of that same year. In 2013 she released singles and also got married again. She toured throughout 2014 then got sick. In April 2015 she announced she had Lyme. She released Fly, a song fans had been dying to hear (and look at how little anyone cares about it now, thatโs why I donโt really see what the point is in her releasing unreleased songs when most of them are pretty meh). She performed at the Special Olympics and recorded in her Home studio. In 2016 she was still writing, recovering, and started dating Ryan. At the end of the year she announced the album. In 2017 she moved to BMG, started production in summer, started dating Rotem. Up to where we are now. Itโs not like sheโs been sitting on her ass all this time. Yes, but Do you realize yourself how may times you typed "if only.." if only it wasn't pushed back.. if only BMG wouldn't have delayed.. if only she hadn't divorced.. if only she wasn't sick. Her carrier has been a total "if only" after UMS, come on let's face it. Also, saying that in 2010 she made Alice, I mean 1 song in 4 years. I don't want to go against you Bogogog, but what are we talking about ... All the "she started dating Rotem and stuff" is useless, other singers get even married and have kids, it's not an excuse.
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Post by fih on Jan 13, 2018 15:49:45 GMT
And once again all assumptions, we donโt know when Avril started dating Ryan, when they broke up, and what kinda relationship they had (if even dating) We donโt know about her relationship with Rotem as well, when started, if they had a fight in between, when they got back. We canโt just write everything as facts, as we donโt know about her private life, same to her contracts
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Post by Sarah93 on Jan 13, 2018 15:51:19 GMT
Why should Avril care how many albums other artists have released? She went through a serious illness and Iโm surprised she even started working on new music after that. People always like to point out the gaps between albums but if you think about it, she was working during those years. 3 years between albums is not that long and is average for many artists. The Bonez Tour lasted for a year until fall 2005 then in 2006 she was working on films and probably the beginning stages of Abbey Dawn. She got married. After her honeymoon, she started immediately on TBDT. 4 years between TBDT and GL. Well, had it not been for the delay, it would have been released in 2009. She also got divorced and understandably held the release. And Iโm 2009 she was still doing stuff with fragrances, Abbey Dawn, and in 2010 she did Alice. AL would have been released in 2012 or top of 2013 if it hadnโt been delayed by Epic. She finished the Black Star Tour at the beginning of 2012. Had the album ready by the end of that same year. In 2013 she released singles and also got married again. She toured throughout 2014 then got sick. In April 2015 she announced she had Lyme. She released Fly, a song fans had been dying to hear (and look at how little anyone cares about it now, thatโs why I donโt really see what the point is in her releasing unreleased songs when most of them are pretty meh). She performed at the Special Olympics and recorded in her Home studio. In 2016 she was still writing, recovering, and started dating Ryan. At the end of the year she announced the album. In 2017 she moved to BMG, started production in summer, started dating Rotem. Up to where we are now. Itโs not like sheโs been sitting on her ass all this time. Yes, but Do you realize yourself how may times you typed "if only.." if only it wasn't pushed back.. if only BMG wouldn't have delayed.. if only she hadn't divorced.. if only she wasn't sick. Her carrier has been a total "if only" after UMS, come on let's face it. Also, saying that in 2010 she made Alice, I mean 1 song in 4 years. I don't want to go against you Bogogog, but what are we talking about ... All the "she started dating Rotem and stuff" is useless, other singers get even married and have kids, it's not an excuse. Well... tbh I only read two "if only" which were out of her control. Yes, the gap between TBDT and GL was of 4 years, but you've got to remember that she released the album and went on tour for TBDT... which took her 2 years, and then started working as soon as she got home... Lyme is not the flu, it takes time to fight it and sadly some people can't even recover fully... we have no idea when exactly she started feeling better or strong enough to work, all we know is that she signed a record deal with BMG last February, meaning that she had probably some songs already written or demos, and then she's been working for the past year on the album, writing more, making the lyrics more poetic and clever (as she said in the FB live)... I really don't see what excuse you're talking about, she wasn't partying or doing nothing the past year
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