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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2018 15:52:21 GMT
Iβm saying that sheβs human and has setbacks like divorces and illness like everyone else. Some people expect her to be a robot and churn out music every year or 2. She needs to have time for a personal life like other people. And Iβm pointing out her dating life because it likely influences her writing. Especially if she is dating a musician which her last 3 relationships have been. So when she goes from one relationship to another that may delay the recording process if she wants to write songs about it. When her personal life changes, whether itβs relationships, illness, or whatever, she usually writes songs about it and that will take more time.
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Jan 13, 2018 16:37:02 GMT
I said this once but will post it once more. Until the album is ready to be released, she shouldn't post anything music related at all. It will just spare us a lot of drama and "she lost me" moments. If she can't give proper updates from time to time, I think that this is the best option for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 16:44:38 GMT
If Goodbye Lullaby came out we just have to thank Avril and her personal fight against the record company, who did everything to counter it, boycott the record, sabotage it and not let it out. The history of each of us is not made up of 'if': there are so many choices, possibilities and a bit of freedom, but there are many obstacles, problems, needs, sufferings, blockages, impediments, limits and prohibitions. Avril has had problems with the world of record companies since the first day she set foot in it. Problems arise not only because of misfortune, but also because we try to fight against what is not good and a small compromise is a great achievement. This is the consequence of the fact that she wants to continue to be part of the pop industry. There are many singers who have retired from the scenes to start a career as independent with alternative and non-commercial genres. This is not Avril's desire. She probably would have been "all right" if she became a dance-pop singer slave of nefarious producers and used only to enrich record companies, but to what pros? Se would have had a bad end.
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Post by Anna on Jan 13, 2018 17:02:18 GMT
My guess, the company pays her. Same as Fender for guitar photos. like... the microphone company? It was irony, lol
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Post by ben545 on Jan 13, 2018 18:42:10 GMT
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Post by Erik on Jan 13, 2018 18:45:50 GMT
like... the microphone company? It was irony, lol mine also lol
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Post by Erik on Jan 13, 2018 18:49:15 GMT
This post has been removed. I know the feeling. Believe me, I know. But I let it go and I suggest you to let it go also. I had the same problem yesterday, but I totally fine by now. Meanwhile, I hope you won't meet Avril in person and...
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Post by In Wonderland on Jan 13, 2018 18:55:51 GMT
This post has been removed. Well she did have and maybe still has some symptoms of a pretty painfull disease. If thats not torture, then i dont know what the hell i am living through myself. Patience may be a bitch, but hey, it'll pay off one day *breathe in, breathe out* repeat.
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Post by 8boi on Jan 13, 2018 21:06:29 GMT
And the studio who produced GL was absolutely right about her fans, weren't they? It is now urgent that she make an album that will pay for all those dirges ordered up by the worst critics in her own fanbase and then were nowhere in sight when the album was released. This is another way of saying how I've never really believed the hype posted here about the evil studio problem. And I don't mean she made up the stories about her conflicts with the studio. I believe they were real as she described in her interviews, but only saying that these conflicts were inevitably caused by her attempts to balance the needs of the music business, vs what she actually does best, vs fans who were stubborn, uncompromising and who gradually abandoned her bc she wouldn't keep making some imaginary undefinable repeat of LG again and again. My gripe with the BA versions is that the fans take no responsibility as being a key part of the problem. It's like they are everywhere the most important until something goes wrong. Then the problem is everything and anyone else they can point a finger at.
Her other major mistake which had increased this pressure by the GL era was her attempt to change her image during UMS. The ones who abandoned her during that era still to this day would rather believe her dead and buried than accept she actually put on a dress in 2004. They have since morphed into a subspecies I think of as the cloneheads. As a complete outsider to the early two eras, and only first seeing this phase years after this is exactly what it looks like to me in a nutshell. There is no difference for me in her voice, her best tracks, or looks over the entire history of her career imo.
There have been extensive threads here about each album and the whys, hows, etc. I have lots to say on these topics with my own explanations. I see GL as a sort of completely unnecessary apology to the most troublesome portion of her fanbase who hated that fact that TDBT was a comeback album for her, and worst of all this comeback was achieved by a hit album with "hit songs". Reading and dealing with the comments on BA over the past couple of years, I feel that not one thing has changed in this very destructive attitude towards supporting her new albums and sounds.
There was a lot of pressure from this group after her "selling out" with TBDT for her to do an album just for them. I think this was the beginning of the 4 year vision that led to so much studio confusion. What probably seemed like a magnanimous gesture to her in the success filled days of 2007 turned into a dreaded chore by 2009. The reality is that by any measure of the music business whether it be sales, chart position, views, streams, concert faves, or what she is most remembered for by the public, her upbeat songs have been her bread and butter. This is regardless of era, music fashion at the time, studio, or producer. This reality no doubt haunted Avril as she recorded nearly 3 albums for GL. Nothing sounded right to her no matter what she recorded I believe she knew little of it was the real her and the Avril the GP and charts actually wanted. The studio was probably saying "WTF?! you've already got at least part of a hit record!!!, what is this other stuff about??" I say this bc if she had flipped a coin blindfolded between the three versions, she would have arrived at a better final cut imo. Why do I believe this, though I've never heard these other versions?
What should have gone down for GL was nearly all hip hop influenced tracks. I saw a story that the rapper will.i.am had tried to make her see this. She had also recruited at the urging of the studio a hip hop producer and writer for some of the album sessions. The elements for the right album for the 2010s was definitely there. This was about when I was really getting hot on this sound. I remember around 2010-2012 was the peak of this for me. I've long since burned out on this phase, but at the time I listened a lot to AMP radio with some harder rap stations and mixed it in with a few alt rock stations. She would have been ahead of the curve with this sound for 2010 pop. But who would have been the biggest bitchers and foot draggers if she had gone with that sound 100% for GL? The studio? Or her fans? And who would have pushed it up the charts. Her fans? Or the GP who had put her back on the map during TBDT? I rest my case on what led to her worst decision and set up a lot of the situation for AL. I'd like to comment more on what could have increased the success of AL some other time
In 2018 I still haven't changed my idea of the perfect comeback AL6 that I posted last year. Since these posts no longer exist, I'll reiterate. Before I get into that, let me say up front that much of the confusion on BA is caused by a huge misassumption. I've believed early on that the official goal of AL6 is Platinum, and not a wannabe Gold record as has been the popular and much over rewarded site opinion. But anything posted here implying that for some unfathomable reason, Avril has made major changes in management, switched labels, parted ways with her mentor, and by the look of her creative teams and sound of her collabs has worked on major changes in style, gone to great effort and attracted important studio investment and resources because - she doesn't really want to make money in music, or chart, be a celeb, or get awards - should be totally disregarded as the usual site bias about her, and seriously misinformed. Here's what I think should be recorded..
1. AL6 should have no less than 3 Top 10 Billboard singles. This group should include no less than one #1 track, and no less than one #3 track, and no less than one #10 track. A minimum comeback record at this point in her career with someone of her talent, creativity, and presence. 2. Genre doesn't matter. Whatever works in the current market. Let's not make AL6 another GL style apology, this time for AL. Bc the other most important goal for this era is that she be visible once again in a significant way to the GP. Otherwise this is it ppl. Last call. 3. Ballads should definitely be included, but only enough to enhance variety and texture. But not one ballad more as each one only adds more drag to her climb up the charts. This category is not her strong point for the charts and never has been. Let's stop stacking the odds against her for once. 4. Coherent theme has been a mandatory element for any classic album. The entire track listing should contribute to this. This is the most difficult factor of all to achieve when you consider her need to balance the demands of the charts vs some her most toxic fans who will try to drag the rest of the album down when their demands and ultimatums for genre are not met as the entire theme of the album.. 5. Her core fanbase have by now overplayed the hold out card to the point where they have reduced their influence down to a weak Gold record status which is only a small fraction of a Platinum level album. The good news is that now she has absolutely nothing to lose by going in whatever direction is best for an album. This would be a good time for these demands which will probably not add to sales be scaled down accordingly in the track listing. If I were the studio exec I'd suggest to her to downsize songs which attempt to appeal to this unpredictable and constantly disappointed group. I feel that an album with 20% of the tracks catering to people who will prove out mainly as sources of toxic PR for the rest of the album is more than generous.
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Post by Erik on Jan 13, 2018 22:04:35 GMT
I'm fine whatever genre she will release. I'm hoping a "shocking new sound" what Ryan tweeted last year. "Can't wait to shock the world with new new album". That is what I want. I want her to succeed in this stupid word. I kinda like that Avril "only" has 5 albums so far. I rather have less albums than a dozen of "mehh" ones. I mean, I was a huge Rihanna fan, but tbh, I don't even know how album she has now, and I can't recall all of her albums, nor the tracklist.
I also agree that she should be quite. I really don't need more studio pictures, or something. BUT! when she post again, I really hope it will be regarding a new single, or something n connection with the album.
I think it is no point to discuss the latest eras and delays here. It is happened again, we have to accept that.
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Post by NowISee on Jan 13, 2018 22:22:23 GMT
The thing with "living her life" is that after a while the first songs she has written might not be relevant anymore. If we look back to the time when she was still going through lyme, the early stages. She felt like she was dying and the doctors told she was crazy. Now, in a new relationship, her head might be filled with love songs and even though she still recalls lyme, she may not feel those feels any longer. And the dilemma is, would she want fill a whole record with songs, that have already passed her life? She is known for living in the moment and that is why I'm super scared that she will toss away those songs she wrote early on the making of AL6 process.
I'm also afraid that the "listen to your intuition"-message was something revolving around this. That she is in a different place where her already recorded songs are. And therefore she must record some new stuff to reflect on her current feelings better.
I understand there's a time and a place to listen to your heart, but also there's time and a place to release a record. Overdoing it never works that well either.
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Post by marliz. on Jan 13, 2018 23:22:28 GMT
The thing with "living her life" is that after a while the first songs she has written might not be relevant anymore. If we look back to the time when she was still going through lyme, the early stages. She felt like she was dying and the doctors told she was crazy. Now, in a new relationship, her head might be filled with love songs and even though she still recalls lyme, she may not feel those feels any longer. And the dilemma is, would she want fill a whole record with songs, that have already passed her life? She is known for living in the moment and that is why I'm super scared that she will toss away those songs she wrote early on the making of AL6 process. I'm also afraid that the "listen to your intuition"-message was something revolving around this. That she is in a different place where her already recorded songs are. And therefore she must record some new stuff to reflect on her current feelings better. I understand there's a time and a place to listen to your heart, but also there's time and a place to release a record. Overdoing it never works that well either. She better. I don't see why not. Lyme had and still has a big impact on her life, you can't just ignore that and I'm sure she can reflect on how she felt back then. I feel like when it comes to artists making albums, they should reflect on whatever they went through. The story is not complete when you ignore all the bad parts, you don't even get to the good parts without having to go through the bad ones. So 'relevant' or not, the album should at least have a couple of songs written in the earlier days. Imma be really disappointed if she scraps them all.. preach. she could've also just released an online record of all the 'old' songs - or maybe even an EP, if she wanted to move on to newer and different songs for her album. there's no need for big promo and a tour for Γ©very album.
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Post by 8boi on Jan 14, 2018 1:18:44 GMT
I don't think the original materai for AL6 will be scrapped at all. This kind of subjectivity and intensity would be impossible to duplicate in retrospect. These would mainly be the ballads imo. I feel there would be just enough of this materail to vary the mood of the album tastefully. And Avril would want to include them to tell her story since AL. I also think the album will be heavier on "hit songs" than usual for the many valid reasons I mentioned. There will also be a good balance of songs written by larger teams, pairs of writers and her own songs. As you climb higher in the charts, the resources, investment, creative collabs, and business connections required become increasingly immense. There were too many demands earlier in the year for her to write all her own stuff, and I expressed my doubts about this unrealistc requirement by some fans who were already making ultimatums. It seems that she was actually already doing this BTS before I posted about it.
The math. 2018 - 2000 = 18 years / 6 albums = 1 album every 3 years. This would only be a glacial paced wait for a 5 year old.
Considering that many singers in the billion views club write few or none of their own songs, and don't even play one instrument much less 3 or 4 of them at performance level as does Avril, and still take about 2 years between albums, I don't see what the big problem is with her production schedules. Any artist cranking out one album per year would result in the same gaps imo. Every other album would very likely be subpar. But the current rate is the creative personality of Avril as she is. If it isn't enough for some people then time to follow the red Exit sign. But after 5 albums these numbers should be no surprise to anyone.
Another thing. If an artist is fortunate enough to still have a career after 2 or 3 albums, it is not unusual for the gaps to extend out to 5 or 10 years. Some of this is because of conflicts within groups of artists like rock bands or more recently 5th Harmony, 1D etc, which doesn't apply to Avril who has always traveled light and avoided these career traps. So she may very well continue at her current rate of production for a few more albums simply because she enjoys the business and changes it up on every album. But it all will depend on the GP support for AL6.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jan 14, 2018 4:04:13 GMT
Perhaps, Avril just launches her own label, will solve all the pointless waiting and rework. You don't let things go bad just because you protect your own vision. You work in the company, and they have a vision. The boss creates the vision. If you choose to work with them, you are embracing their thoughts and culture, as well as the boss. What Avril actually think is the team must work for your intuition. At the end of the day, company launches for money. It's completely understandable that they rather believe logic then feeling, especially BMG is a new label. How many times we have seen disagreements ? Album 4, 5. Today we have 6. That is not a trouble anymore but turns into an issue. Avril needs to find a solution and balance ~
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Post by Erik on Jan 14, 2018 7:25:53 GMT
She posted a piano photo on her insta story. Is she still writing? Or just practicing? Who knows.
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