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Post by aprilvineyard on Mar 28, 2023 11:16:32 GMT
I also think Avril just wasn’t as into him as he was for her. Also I do feel like he made some moves that I’d have wondered if I was Avril. First the whole safety pin-thing. Originally it was something she and Deryck did after they got divorced. They got the matching safety pin tattoos. Then Mod decided to propose in Paris, in the city where she originally found her own freedom when she moved there by herself - and eventually had her wedding with Chad. Can’t forget Iris. A song that is so special to her that she chose it as her first dance with Deryck on their wedding day. To me it feels like he was trying so hard to give Avril new memories regarding those very specific things - and that sounds like his self esteem wasn’t really in a good place. Also I was listening to Shelter just now and I find the lyrics alarming. Ok, lyrics are just figure of speak, but: “I’m swerving into oncoming traffic then you grab the wheel”. Literally that would mean that he wasn’t just trying to kill himself but also her because she was there in the car. What if she couldn’t grab the wheel? Or grabbed it too late? Not the healthiest lyrics imo. I hadn't thought about a lot of those things you pointed out. I agree his lyrics are concerning in the songs for Avril
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Post by aprilvineyard on Mar 28, 2023 11:19:31 GMT
To me, all these wonderments and ponderings just remind me why Avril needs (in my opinion) to learn to get to know people before jumping into a relationship with them. That way she can avoid finding herself with unstable men that seemed perfectly fine at first. However I don't think our Avril is quite as stable as she would seem upon first glance either.
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Post by booknerd on Mar 28, 2023 11:45:40 GMT
I also think Avril just wasn’t as into him as he was for her. Also I do feel like he made some moves that I’d have wondered if I was Avril. First the whole safety pin-thing. Originally it was something she and Deryck did after they got divorced. They got the matching safety pin tattoos. Then Mod decided to propose in Paris, in the city where she originally found her own freedom when she moved there by herself - and eventually had her wedding with Chad. Can’t forget Iris. A song that is so special to her that she chose it as her first dance with Deryck on their wedding day. To me it feels like he was trying so hard to give Avril new memories regarding those very specific things - and that sounds like his self esteem wasn’t really in a good place. Also I was listening to Shelter just now and I find the lyrics alarming. Ok, lyrics are just figure of speak, but: “I’m swerving into oncoming traffic then you grab the wheel”. Literally that would mean that he wasn’t just trying to kill himself but also her because she was there in the car. What if she couldn’t grab the wheel? Or grabbed it too late? Not the healthiest lyrics imo. I do think some of that is purely coincidental. For instance with Iris; Goo goo dolls were supposed to be featured in Shelter originally, not Avril. I don’t think Iris was planned to be recorded for the album until scheduling issues prohibited them from recording their parts with mod. When that happened, Avril offered. She may or may not have suggested Iris, however when interviewed mod has said that the song has always been a favorite of his (can’t even blame him tbh love it myself). Mod has paid for his sister and moms vacations to Europe and specifically Paris before http://instagram.com/p/CYmleD8Pt5O before he and Avril met http://instagram.com/p/BiKbztTFGmM Regarding the safety pins, the inside of his car was done up like that before he and Avril ever met… it’s a featured design with his and mgk’s line. Deryck also had a safety pin tattooed to the outside of his wrist before he and Avril started dating so it wasn’t really “their” thing. If I remember correctly didn’t she get the safety pin on the side of her neck with 2 of her girlfriends? Pic of Derycks tattoo in 2003 commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deryck_Whibley.pngNot as clear but you can see it here when he was dating Paris Hilton pin.it/5W1VnR1 Avril’s in 2011 www.yahoo.com/entertainment/blogs/thefamous/avril-lavigne-gets-safety-pin-tattoo-her-neck-142132750.html
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Post by katy on Mar 28, 2023 12:05:34 GMT
To me, all these wonderments and ponderings just remind me why Avril needs (in my opinion) to learn to get to know people before jumping into a relationship with them. That way she can avoid finding herself with unstable men that seemed perfectly fine at first. However I don't think our Avril is quite as stable as she would seem upon first glance either. Yeah I agree. I think it’s naive to think she’s never the problem in these relationships. I wish she’d take some time for herself (proper time, not just a couple of months), figure out what she actually wants, figure herself out and what has gone wrong in past relationships (because let’s be real it’s unlikely all the breakups were the guys fault), and hopefully stop saying yes to 75% of men who offer her a ring. She can jump from guy to guy forever if it makes her happy and she’s not hurting anyone (though I don’t think it’s healthy), but stop agreeing to marry them first lol!
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Post by aprilvineyard on Mar 28, 2023 12:33:55 GMT
I also think Avril just wasn’t as into him as he was for her. Also I do feel like he made some moves that I’d have wondered if I was Avril. First the whole safety pin-thing. Originally it was something she and Deryck did after they got divorced. They got the matching safety pin tattoos. Then Mod decided to propose in Paris, in the city where she originally found her own freedom when she moved there by herself - and eventually had her wedding with Chad. Can’t forget Iris. A song that is so special to her that she chose it as her first dance with Deryck on their wedding day. To me it feels like he was trying so hard to give Avril new memories regarding those very specific things - and that sounds like his self esteem wasn’t really in a good place. Also I was listening to Shelter just now and I find the lyrics alarming. Ok, lyrics are just figure of speak, but: “I’m swerving into oncoming traffic then you grab the wheel”. Literally that would mean that he wasn’t just trying to kill himself but also her because she was there in the car. What if she couldn’t grab the wheel? Or grabbed it too late? Not the healthiest lyrics imo. I do think some of that is purely coincidental. For instance with Iris; Goo goo dolls were supposed to be featured in Shelter originally, not Avril. I don’t think Iris was planned to be recorded for the album until scheduling issues prohibited them from recording their parts with mod. When that happened, Avril offered. She may or may not have suggested Iris, however when interviewed mod has said that the song has always been a favorite of his (can’t even blame him tbh love it myself). Mod has paid for his sister and moms vacations to Europe and specifically Paris before http://instagr.am/p/CYmleD8Pt5O before he and Avril met http://instagr.am/p/BiKbztTFGmM Regarding the safety pins, the inside of his car was done up like that before he and Avril ever met… it’s a featured design with his and mgk’s line. Deryck also had a safety pin tattooed to the outside of his wrist before he and Avril started dating so it wasn’t really “their” thing. If I remember correctly didn’t she get the safety pin on the side of her neck with 2 of her girlfriends? Pic of Derycks tattoo in 2003 commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deryck_Whibley.pngNot as clear but you can see it here when he was dating Paris Hilton pin.it/5W1VnR1 Avril’s in 2011 www.yahoo.com/entertainment/blogs/thefamous/avril-lavigne-gets-safety-pin-tattoo-her-neck-142132750.htmlThis is very detailed, thanks for the info!!
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 28, 2023 12:39:08 GMT
I really think you can’t have a healthy relationship unless you can be good on your own first. There’s been very few times in her life where actually spent a solid amount of time on her own, without a relationship in her life. The time she moved to Paris was basically the only time I can think of. It seemed like she was ready to do that before Mod came into the picture, it’s too bad she didn’t stick to her gut and stay single like she had planned. But I do think it would be beneficial for her to be on her own for a substantial amount of time and learn how to not be codependent on another person. I get that being famous is probably a scary and lonely experience and that’s probably why she always feels the need to jump from one relationship to another (I remember the days when she had Evan come over in the middle of the night after she divorced Deryck because she was scared being home alone).
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Post by booknerd on Mar 28, 2023 12:53:42 GMT
I really think you can’t have a healthy relationship unless you can be good on your own first. There’s been very few times in her life where actually spent a solid amount of time on her own, without a relationship in her life. The time she moved to Paris was basically the only time I can think of. It seemed like she was ready to do that before Mod came into the picture, it’s too bad she didn’t stick to her gut and stay single like she had planned. But I do think it would be beneficial for her to be on her own for a substantial amount of time and learn how to not be codependent on another person. I get that being famous is probably a scary and lonely experience and that’s probably why she always feels the need to jump from one relationship to another (I remember the days when she had Evan come over in the middle of the night after she divorced Deryck because she was scared being home alone). 100000% this. She had a little time in Paris and I thought that was a great idea. Get away from Hollywood, learn to rely on just herself. But I feel like Chad happened pretty quickly and once it did, their relationship moved at fast speed. It seems some of the plans she had for herself got derailed by that. She doesn’t know how to be alone and I can understand to a degree why. As you said, having the level of fame at such a young age, it had to feel more isolating being surrounded by hordes of people than if she was actually physically alone. But ultimately it’s not a healthy coping mechanism to be so reliant on being in love and always having a relationship.
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Post by 𝑺𝒖𝒏𝒔𝒆𝒕 . 𝑪𝒓𝒖𝒔𝒉 ★ on Mar 28, 2023 14:09:28 GMT
In general, Avril doesn't seem like an outwardly loving person. The most emotion I've seen come from her was during the GMA interview she said she felt forced to do. Her excitement also doesn't show for her work often except when she's drinking. She just has the cool air about her with the exception of her shy days. Isn't this a bit rude.. 🥲 ?
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Post by madelyn on Mar 28, 2023 15:16:36 GMT
I agree that Avril needs time for herself and have a loving relationship with herself first, before jumping into relationship so quickly. Part of me wonders if she gets in a relationship all the time, is because she doesn’t wanna be seen as single? Even though there’s nothing wrong with it, or being labeled as single and could use that time to recover
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 28, 2023 15:19:47 GMT
In general, Avril doesn't seem like an outwardly loving person. The most emotion I've seen come from her was during the GMA interview she said she felt forced to do. Her excitement also doesn't show for her work often except when she's drinking. She just has the cool air about her with the exception of her shy days. Isn't this a bit rude.. 🥲 ? I don’t think they’re meaning to say Avril’s not a loving person, but rather that she’s not outwardly emotional about it. Even with her career and fans, there’s been very few times she’s ever seemed to get emotional when speaking about it. Which I guess is ok, some people just don’t show it but it doesn’t mean they don’t feel it inside. But sometimes she has come across as detached or sort of blasé, like some artists when they win a huge award will cry onstage for example, but even when she was young and just starting, she never had that kind of reaction when winning big awards. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t care or that it’s not meaningful to her, but I can see how others would perceive it that way. She’s never seemed to get emotional when performing either, except for the one time when her grandpa died.
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Post by katy on Mar 28, 2023 15:46:24 GMT
Yeah and I think the speed in which she moves on from relationships can make her seem quite cold too. Whether she is or not I’ve no idea, but it’s easy to perceive her that way as she just doesn’t ever seem bothered by anything, even serious relationships/even marriages ending. I’m sure she is bothered privately, but she definitely doesn’t show it and her actions often don’t really add up with being bothered by it. Everyone’s different I guess but I can see how she can be perceived that way
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Post by adamf83 on Mar 28, 2023 15:57:02 GMT
I think it's because she's an introvert. I am very reserved too and it's often misunderstood as being unfriendly. Mod sun of course is the absolute opposite. When an introvert is around an extrovert it can became difficult when their personality totally overshadows yours on the surface. This could potentially be why Avril realised they didn't connect on a deeper level and why Mod sun thinks he didn't do anything wrong because as an extrovert he wouldn't be able to see it. All of this could be totally wrong of course; I'm just talking from personal experience as introvert, and how I feel round people who are extroverted.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 28, 2023 17:09:57 GMT
I definitely think Avril is an introvert, but I don't think that means you can never show emotion. I'm an introvert as well and usually keep to myself, but I can definitely get outwardly emotional about things.
For Avril, it could just be a protective thing or a defense mechanism. If she shows any emotion, good or bad, it could potentially be used against her in some way, written about in the media, etc. I can see why she'd want to keep her personal feelings mostly to herself for that reason. Unlike us, she doesn't have the luxury to cry about something without others seeing it, for example. I mean, taking the example someone used earlier of her crying in the GMA interview, that's out there forever. She was obviously embarrassed by it and felt overly vulnerable, but now it's out there for the world to see and it will always be there. She doesn't have the luxury to just erase stuff she doesn't like while for us we don't have cameras on us or we can delete stuff off social media, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
Hey i was just thinking and wondering. Remember when Avril in her first tour invited people up on stage to help sing Complicatec? She stopped after her first tour. ANybody know why? Just wondering if she ever brought it up Likely due to security reasons. As she got more famous, they probably didn’t want just random people getting onstage with her to sing. It was cute and special for her first tour, but I don’t think it’d be necessary to keep doing. I feel like she did it in her first tour as a tribute to Shania when she did it and Avril got to sing with her. That makes sense. World is a scary place and now a days you could invite a fan up on stage and they can try to hurt you. So yeah that makes sense. Would be awesome if she did it again but yeah no that makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 18:03:03 GMT
Likely due to security reasons. As she got more famous, they probably didn’t want just random people getting onstage with her to sing. It was cute and special for her first tour, but I don’t think it’d be necessary to keep doing. I feel like she did it in her first tour as a tribute to Shania when she did it and Avril got to sing with her. Plus it's not that entertaining for the rest of the fans, imo. I prefer her singing her songs and do little games with the fans or let them sing along in the chorus etc. than having 2 people on stage (who are too nervous to sing anyway) Thats fair. if you watched some of the videos.. eek they were not good lmao. Messed up the verse so she probably was like for the next tour eh lets not do that again
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