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Post by Jimmyzz on Jun 7, 2024 0:24:04 GMT
We have differing opinions and that's cool. I just think that Mod Sun has displayed enough characteristics of a narcissist that he seems very sus too. And everything I've read about narcissists, and all the talks I've had with a close friend that dated one. They all say that breaking up with one is no easy task. Could she have handled it better, sure she could have. But I still maintain my theory that he's a textbook narcissist, and she was smart to run away...
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Post by katy on Jun 7, 2024 5:41:43 GMT
More accountability than Avril has ever taken for anything 😅 I just remember the indirect source quote that said, Avril was sick of Mod's Bulls*** Sorry we disagree, but I just don't believe that Avril is really accountable for telling her side of what happened publicly. Oh I didn’t mean it like that haha, I was just joking Avrils never taken any accountability for any breakup, it’s always the guys fault according to her songs
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 7, 2024 12:23:20 GMT
We have differing opinions and that's cool. I just think that Mod Sun has displayed enough characteristics of a narcissist that he seems very sus too. And everything I've read about narcissists, and all the talks I've had with a close friend that dated one. They all say that breaking up with one is no easy task. Could she have handled it better, sure she could have. But I still maintain my theory that he's a textbook narcissist, and she was smart to run away... I never said she didn’t have a right to break up with him or that he didn’t have his own issues. But let’s not act like she was some perfect angel in how she handled it either. They probably both acted poorly. She just hasn’t talked about it from her POV at all yet. Even when asked directly if she was dating Tyga she danced around the question.
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Post by Panchali on Jun 7, 2024 16:35:51 GMT
We have differing opinions and that's cool. I just think that Mod Sun has displayed enough characteristics of a narcissist that he seems very sus too. And everything I've read about narcissists, and all the talks I've had with a close friend that dated one. They all say that breaking up with one is no easy task. Could she have handled it better, sure she could have. But I still maintain my theory that he's a textbook narcissist, and she was smart to run away... I never said she didn’t have a right to break up with him or that he didn’t have his own issues. But let’s not act like she was some perfect angel in how she handled it either. They probably both acted poorly. She just hasn’t talked about it from her POV at all yet. Even when asked directly if she was dating Tyga she danced around the question. I got the impression from her podcast that she had been feeling emotionally low around the time around she sold her house. She may have been going through something else too, something which may have nothing to do with her love life in general.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 7, 2024 17:09:33 GMT
On the pop punk thread on Reddit, a reliable person mentioned how toxic Mod was with Avril. They said he even tried to distance her from her friends, love-bombed her on social media and during interviews, but acted with silent punishment when they were in front of her personal friends. By the way, this is gossip. We will never be sure! We can't affirm anything. But what is true is that he admitted he tried to k* or at least damage himself in front of her and made a song hinting about this episode with her name. This is much more than a red flag. Not to mention how he tried to backlash her during his tour. I know Avril is not a saint, but I can't blame her for trying to distance herself from such a toxic environment. If I were involved in such a situation I'd run away and never got back to someone like this lol...
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Post by katy on Jun 7, 2024 18:35:09 GMT
On the pop punk thread on Reddit, a reliable person mentioned how toxic Mod was with Avril. They said he even tried to distance her from her friends, love-bombed her on social media and during interviews, but acted with silent punishment when they were in front of her personal friends. By the way, this is gossip. We will never be sure! We can't affirm anything. But what is true is that he admitted he tried to k* or at least damage himself in front of her and made a song hinting about this episode with her name. This is much more than a red flag. Not to mention how he tried to backlash her during his tour. I know Avril is not a saint, but I can't blame her for trying to distance herself from such a toxic environment. If I were involved in such a situation I'd run away and never got back to someone like this lol... He didn’t admit trying to kill or hurt himself in front of her at all lol. I’ve no idea why people continue to deliberately misinterpret that lyric? Theres been an interview shared here multiple times where he says he’s referring to his mind going back to darker/depressive places and her helping pull him back from that. Not that he LITERALLY tried to kill himself in front of her and she stopped it. It’s such a shitty thing for people to keep suggesting he did when we know that didn’t happen.
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Post by Brainwashed on Jun 7, 2024 18:53:00 GMT
Yeah I've never even seen the idea that he tried to hurt himself in front of her anywhere but here
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jun 7, 2024 19:13:49 GMT
That guy dated Bella Thorne, i think that says it all. And all the drama always surrounding him, just nope, thanks. I do believe people can change and get better but he was a red flag from day 1 and i guess Avril just ignored all the warning signs. She's definitely no saint BUT he was just a weird one.
I wish him the best tho. Hope he finds his way and gets only better.
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How many times does Avril say 'da' in 'Things I'll Never Say?'
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Post by Jimmyzz on Jun 7, 2024 19:33:13 GMT
We have differing opinions and that's cool. I just think that Mod Sun has displayed enough characteristics of a narcissist that he seems very sus too. And everything I've read about narcissists, and all the talks I've had with a close friend that dated one. They all say that breaking up with one is no easy task. Could she have handled it better, sure she could have. But I still maintain my theory that he's a textbook narcissist, and she was smart to run away... I never said she didn’t have a right to break up with him or that he didn’t have his own issues. But let’s not act like she was some perfect angel in how she handled it either. They probably both acted poorly. She just hasn’t talked about it from her POV at all yet. Even when asked directly if she was dating Tyga she danced around the question. Sorry, I did not mean it that way, and that was not not my intention. I should have worded it differently. And I'm not saying saying she is some perfect angel either. And I 100% agree they both acted poorly.
All I've been trying to say, is that through all of this Mod/Avril breakup ordeal. Is that Avril has been the one who has looked bad for how it all this has went down publicly, not Mod.
And that Mod has played the whole thing perfectly and he manipulated the public perception to shed bad light on her, exactly as a textbook narcissist would do.
And she has pretty much kept her mouth shut throughout.
And that my theory is that when she tried to breakup with Mod, he was not hearing it. Which made her take the drastic measures as I explained here.
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Post by katy on Jun 7, 2024 19:48:43 GMT
Disagree - she made herself look bad by jumping to Tyga long before Mod ever opened his mouth. I don’t think either of them acted particularly well but she made herself look bad, we can’t blame Mod for that at all. That situation didn’t need manipulating, she straight up got pictured kissing Tyga of all people straight after their breakup came to light.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 7, 2024 21:14:50 GMT
We only know one side of the story cause Avril never addressed this relationship. Btw, as long as she was no longer in a relationship with him, she was completely free to date whoever she wants, even if we don't like who that is. Additionally, even if he didn’t try to harm himself, using that as a metaphor is still a terrible analogy to use. It places an enormous burden on someone else. Btw, during his interviewes about this song, he never addressed it properly as a metaphor. But even if it is, it doesn’t change how much of a red flag that is. Not to mention all the other things. In all of Avril's other relationships, she lived well, peacefully, and maturely with her exes. Not with him. She isn't a saint ofc, but that says a lot.
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Post by katy on Jun 7, 2024 21:27:05 GMT
This is really clutching at straws lol, anyone who reads “I’m swerving into oncoming traffic and you grab the wheel/when I’m feeling like shit, wanna drive off a cliff, you take care of me” in a song where the wider context is VERY clearly about how she helped him with his struggles and thinks “omg he tried to kill himself in front of her!!” really needs to work on their reading comprehension. It was some bizarre narrative that started here after the song was released and was never ever something that actually happened. People just grabbed it and ran with it because they need a reason to shit on anyone who they feel has wronged Avril. Maybe he was in the wrong, maybe he wasn’t, but we don’t need to literally make up fake scenarios that never happened by deliberately misinterpreting lyrics. He absolutely did address it properly - I literally listened to a podcast where he's talking about Shelter and his past struggles with mental health and said when his mind wants to go back to that time Avril was the one who pulled him out of it.
Was that responsibility too much for her to handle? Maybe. Does that make him an awful manipulative person? Not really. If people don’t like Mod that’s fair - I don’t have any strong feelings either way but can see how he’s a divisive personality. But some of the stuff people literally make up just to make him look like the guilty party is wild. We’ve no idea what happened between them, who was in the wrong or if both of them were in the wrong. They BOTH did shitty things post-breakup. Can’t we just accept that and keep the fabricated theories accusing someone of using their mental health as a weapon off the forum?
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jun 7, 2024 22:37:38 GMT
Not me calling him a red flag and still listening to his music, sorry hahaha. This is nowhere close to being pop-rock, which is interesting to see all these "rockers" going back once the hype over the pop-rock is gone lol. But anyways, i like the song. The lyrics are simple but very personal i think.
I'm not sure if the song talks about Avril alone, or about his exes in general (since they appear 2 or 3 women in the video).
I'm glad his taking the route of "being broken" instead of trashing her or starting a feud.
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Post by katy on Jun 7, 2024 23:17:10 GMT
Not me calling him a red flag and still listening to his music, sorry hahaha. This is nowhere close to being pop-rock, which is interesting to see all these "rockers" going back once the hype over the pop-rock is gone lol. But anyways, i like the song. The lyrics are simple but very personal i think. I'm not sure if the song talks about Avril alone, or about his exes in general (since they appear 2 or 3 women in the video). I'm glad his taking the route of "being broken" instead of trashing her or starting a feud. Yeah I quite like this. I feel like it just needs a good bridge or something
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Post by eismann on Jun 8, 2024 9:24:44 GMT
She is so lame for wishing LA Reid a public happy birthday on Insta.
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