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Post by erikvaze on Dec 4, 2020 17:58:20 GMT
Ah all i want is just a GOOD music, she has a lot of cool and talented people around, she can find a good producers too, but she has something strange in her taste, when she can delete all cool songs and record BIgger WOW or Goddess, like add some strange songs which don't fit in to the album concept. And this is the biggest mystery of Avril, like in one hand she has the taste, and other side of her is completely tasteless haha, thats what it seems like, Is she had only a good team, who will just HELP her, to choose a good cover, choose right songs for her and etc. Just be her guide. Cause most fans like everything she does, and i think she even don't have criticism or anyone who can show her the opposite sides. Many artist her age and close genre can make music better, they know all trends, they listen and explore. They grow musically and lyrically, and Avril seems at the same point (but HAW is really a big step tho) so is she could only listen to us. Everything seems "not enough" when she promise. announce,like she always has doubts and can change singles, like she is a bit non permanent and changeable. Im not even talking about her guys haha. IT is a real fact, and we see the result of it, yes maybe she don't wanna make music at all and she tries her best just for us, but i feel she is not that passionate in industry, like she was before.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 4, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
I still think pop-rock is gonna come back sonner than later. The nostalgia hit this generation hard, and they didn't even went throught the 00's BUT weird young people idk xD
I'm glad she's never followed trends tho, i mean a couple of times she did, but mostly she was pop, pop-rock and she's great making anthems, ballads and beautiful melodies. You don't need complex chord progression, just the same 4 boring chords and you can make a hit. (i mean, basically the whole industry). I'm glad she has maintained her style more or less throughout the years, yes she has done cheap pop and even tryed to do j-pop but overall she didn't change that much. That's why i've been here since i discovered her, she was different, her sound was not made just to sell. Artists like Lady gaga, Miley or even Taylor do follow the trends, and i'm sorry of there are fans here, and nope, folklore is not a example of "being a different artist" she just has the power to release whatever she wants, but she's done commercial pop since 2012.
Anyway, i hope she does stick with her pop.rock side, at least for this next album. We missed her, the pop-rock Avril i mean, we haven't seen her since TBDT so... at this point i don't think she's able to make awful music. I mean yes, I roast AL a lot here and LMI but I still like those songs, it's just that theyre not my favorites and they are the weakest of her discography. So...if i like AL and i can handle LMI i think i will like whatever she releases next xD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 11:16:27 GMT
Ah all i want is just a GOOD music, she has a lot of cool and talented people around, she can find a good producers too, but she has something strange in her taste, when she can delete all cool songs and record BIgger WOW or Goddess, like add some strange songs which don't fit in to the album concept. And this is the biggest mystery of Avril, like in one hand she has the taste, and other side of her is completely tasteless haha, thats what it seems like, Is she had only a good team, who will just HELP her, to choose a good cover, choose right songs for her and etc. Just be her guide. Cause most fans like everything she does, and i think she even don't have criticism or anyone who can show her the opposite sides. Many artist her age and close genre can make music better, they know all trends, they listen and explore. They grow musically and lyrically, and Avril seems at the same point (but HAW is really a big step tho) so is she could only listen to us. Everything seems "not enough" when she promise. announce,like she always has doubts and can change singles, like she is a bit non permanent and changeable. Im not even talking about her guys haha. IT is a real fact, and we see the result of it, yes maybe she don't wanna make music at all and she tries her best just for us, but i feel she is not that passionate in industry, like she was before. Yeah I agree with point about a team of people being around to ‘help’ her but does she want to be helped? I guess most artists want creative control but I remember seeing a BTS for the Smile video and I’m sure the director made a comment to her about him being the director. Now you don’t know, maybe his ideas were shocking and she was trying to give some input but yeah just because she’s the artist doesn’t necessarily mean she always makes the best decisions creativity wise. Always thought the studio bit of the Smile video was terrible. She looks like a 14 year old girl! Never liked the Abbey Dawn stuff always felt like it was being rammed down our throats.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 5, 2020 14:09:25 GMT
Regarding the comment above: she doesn't always have 100% control. I do remember she said she had another idea for the HTGU video bu the director came with a better idea and she scrapped her idea. So... I guess she does get help, but it also depends on many factors, if the song is childish in the first place, no music video could save the song. HTGU is pretty good for what it is: a 2013 music video, it looks from that year and I think it worked at the time, especially the nostalgia thing.
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Post by goodbye on Dec 5, 2020 16:16:00 GMT
I feel like HAW (album) was supposed to come out in 2018 (maybe November) and the label wanted the Nicki collab so they had to push it back to 2019. It's still strange to have Nicki on Dumb Blonde on Spotify ect. and the solo on the CD. I still enjoy 8 songs from it. The era itself was good. Without Dumb Blonde as a single it would've been better.
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 5, 2020 18:16:28 GMT
I think it's a mix of both. Avril was given free range when she first started. By the way she tells it she pretty much did whatever she wanted. Even in the TBDT era she had control if this article is true her manager got Clive Davis to not step in. Clive Davis is a powerful hollywood elite from what I've heard. www.google.com/amp/s/ew.com/article/2007/04/10/whats-best-damn-thing-avril-lavigne/%3famp=trueThis is he article. Can we talk about the first quote where avril calls the band auditions pathetic? She sounds so rude. But the headline is also rude towards her. Entertainment Weekly, I think, is one of the professional magazine websites at least today so was she really that awful? I've seen countless media from that time and Avril always comes off bad. Even these days the Billboard article made her look bad. Now I adore Avril and know she's a little shit sometimes but the media makes her seem like a hell of a brat. I guess the lyrics on TBDT did her no favors but these are professional interviews. So what the hell is going on? I hope if she does end up going pop punk that she gets better articles written about her. Times have changed but I am sick of having to defend her. Like I said Avril's a little shit but she seems like a good person deep down. Sorry for the rant. I totally went the other direction with the conversation.
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 5, 2020 18:36:25 GMT
I think it's a mix of both. Avril was given free range when she first started. By the way she tells it she pretty much did whatever she wanted. Even in the TBDT era she had control if this article is true her manager got Clive Davis to not step in. Clive Davis is a powerful hollywood elite from what I've heard. www.google.com/amp/s/ew.com/article/2007/04/10/whats-best-damn-thing-avril-lavigne/%3famp=trueThis is he article. Can we talk about the first quote where avril calls the band auditions pathetic? She sounds so rude. But the headline is also rude towards her. Entertainment Weekly, I think, is one of the professional magazine websites at least today so was she really that awful? I've seen countless media from that time and Avril always comes off bad. Even these days the Billboard article made her look bad. Now I adore Avril and know she's a little shit sometimes but the media makes her seem like a hell of a brat. I guess the lyrics on TBDT did her no favors but these are professional interviews. So what the hell is going on? I hope if she does end up going pop punk that she gets better articles written about her. Times have changed but I am sick of having to defend her. Like I said Avril's a little shit but she seems like a good person deep down. Sorry for the rant. I totally went the other direction with the conversation. I think Avril is just blunt. Hollywood and the media are used to being treated like everyone should kiss their butts. Avril on the other hand has never done that. Some people can’t handle the truth, some people want everything wrapped in a nice bow and expect a Taylor Swift sweetness to it. Avril is a small town girl, from a town that is most likely equally as blunt and saw through Hollywood bull crap.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 5, 2020 19:27:51 GMT
I don't think being honest has to equate being rude though. And aren't Canadians known for being nice? Haha
I think back then she was just a little cocky and arrogant, given the amount of success she had achieved by then and also how young she still was. At the time 22/23 seemed old to me, but looking back she was still very young. At that age you're still kind of figuring things out but at the same time you think you know everything. At that age most people are just graduating from college and getting their first job, thinking they know everything because they went to CoLleGE but having no real life experience. Meanwhile Avril was on her third record already and married, like most at that age, she probably thought she knew everything.
I will say though that I think some of her comments about knowing what she wants, not wanting label people involved, and what not is the type of attitude that unfortunately gets female artists labeled "diva" or "difficult." She's dealt with it since day one of her career and I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with her standing up for herself and her wishes. Creatively speaking, she knew what she wanted to do with the album and did not want anyone else's input. That might make her sound arrogant to a certain degree, but at the same time I think it's understandable why she did it. We've seen what happens when a label interferes. As for Clive Davis, yes he is a very powerful music industry executive (he ended up fighting with Kelly Clarkson over her My December album, which was basically her take on an Avril record that did not go as smoothly for her as it did for Avril). Avril was very lucky she was able to get out of working with him.
I'd like to think for the most part these days she comes off much better in interviews, but print interviews are always weird. Sometimes the artist gets misquoted or maybe it doesn't read well, but if you heard them say the exact same sentence, it would come off differently. I'd like to think she isn't rude or bratty in print interviews anymore, but who knows.
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Post by erikvaze on Dec 6, 2020 10:01:35 GMT
I think we have gone too far from the start point. That’s true that I’m some cases Avril seems “foolish” in media and has really controversial image, but that’s just makes Avril herself, it’s her identity to always have some avrilish songs on each album, haha have strong voice for ballads and ability to sing about never growing up. She is diverse in some cases, she is skating still and that’s amazing But I’m just talk about some of her personal taste, unprofessional in some cases. So choosing the album cover she just have idea in her mind, but if she had a taste and knew basic photoshop skills haha she would change it visually) so her team are happy, fans happy and she even never notice it looks weird. Thats why is better for her to have a good professionals in some of her themes, where Avril is not good. Like I said before, all this photoshoots for HAW have a terrible face tuning and it looks so cheap like she is a celebrity and looks like some unprofessional teen makes her skin retouching. Like all eras were better and this time she has whole new team which sucks in some aspects. And that’s sad, cause she deserves better both in music and visual part of her image. I mean also a good stylist. But I think she really don’t cares, cause if she had a major label they would never let her put out this cover. Now she works for herself on her own contract, but the quality is worser, comparing even to AL album. Which had a real good logos, fonts, image and AL cover is way better than HAW. Maybe Avril thinks she is a genious in each part of creativity, and all her friends don’t tell her she may be wrong, cause some of them like this shit too)9 But this is just a fact that leaving Mark Liddel and being in a new team, all fans noticed that most visual part is not that good as it was before. I’m just sad about it that she just “can do better”
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Post by Anna on Dec 6, 2020 17:32:55 GMT
I feel like HAW (album) was supposed to come out in 2018 (maybe November) and the label wanted the Nicki collab so they had to push it back to 2019. It's still strange to have Nicki on Dumb Blonde on Spotify ect. and the solo on the CD. I still enjoy 8 songs from it. The era itself was good. Without Dumb Blonde as a single it would've been better. It was confirmed to be released in 2018, BMG CEO confirmed it. She isn’t on the album version because they finalized the deal too late to manufacture the CDs - by the time albums were already being manufactured.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 6, 2020 21:46:27 GMT
It even says "2018" on the back of the CD lol. I think she didn't say it was delayed (again) because she's been delaying her albums since 2009 so she knew we would get mad. or the empty 2017 music promises 🙃
not gonna lie, being a LBS hasn't been easy, she should be more than happy we're still here.
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 6, 2020 21:47:35 GMT
It even says "2018" on the back of the CD lol. I think she didn't say it was delayed (again) because she's been delaying her albums since 2009 so she knew we would get mad. or the empty 2017 music promises 🙃 not gonna lie, being a LBS hasn't been easy, she should be more than happy we're still here. What happened in 2017? I was not paying attention at the time.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 6, 2020 21:59:48 GMT
She posted a picture on 1st january or at the end of 2016, can't remember. She promised we will get new music that year.
And we got: nothing
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2020 3:35:43 GMT
On Christmas Eve of 2016 she posted something on Instagram where she shook a gift box and put it under her Christmas tree, saying she had gotten all her gifts this year and this last one was for the fans, implying new music. And the caption of the post said “It’s going to be an amazing 2017!” And then we got nothing except a couple collabs like the One OK Rock song lol
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Post by Jinkxx on Dec 9, 2020 6:54:14 GMT
Wouldn't it be cool she would do the same but now finally mean it? In this pandemic she could record like 2 albums already. She must be glad we really love her and follow her that hardcore.
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