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Post by adamf83 on Dec 11, 2020 13:35:34 GMT
Don’t really think it’s fair to compare them, they’re so different in terms of where they are in the industry. I find it funny how people call Avril an introvert and say Taylor attention seeks etc. Taylor wrote about past relationships but now her private life is pretty private. Avril keeps her private life quiet when it suits her but then didn’t mind selling her wedding photos and telling us about Chad bending her over a kitchen worktop. All celebs use it to their advantage when they want to. Yeah and let’s be honest. Avril’s last few albums have been subpar at best. Anyone who thinks Taylor’s music all sounds the same clearly hasn’t listened to the records in full. I don’t think we should compare them either, but if we’re being honest the quality of Avrils music has only declined for the most part in these recent years. I think HAW is some of Avril's best work. I think it's more to do with who the media focus on, for whatever reason they focus more on Taylor these days. None of this really matters, all that matters is if you enjoy Avril's music or Taylor's music. And of course there no reason you cant enjoy both. What the media or anybody else thinks is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 11, 2020 13:40:16 GMT
Yeah and let’s be honest. Avril’s last few albums have been subpar at best. Anyone who thinks Taylor’s music all sounds the same clearly hasn’t listened to the records in full. I don’t think we should compare them either, but if we’re being honest the quality of Avrils music has only declined for the most part in these recent years. I think HAW is some of Avril's best work. I think it's more to do with who the media focus on, for whatever reason they focus more on Taylor these days. None of this really matters, all that matters is if you enjoy Avril's music or Taylor's music. And of course there no reason you cant enjoy both. What the media or anybody else thinks is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. HAW is better than GL or AL for me, but I think the record could have been better if they left in more of Rotem and especially Zane's work, instead of scrapping them for these generic sounding pop songs like Souvenir, Goddess, and Bigger Wow, which she was probably barely involved in writing. I get a vibe from her that she was not super involved in writing those songs and that they were added on at the last minute in an attempt to balance out the album. She even said she struggled to write fun songs. She has never discussed them or sang them live and when asked about Bigger Wow, she didn't really have much to say about it. IMO it's a decent album but could have been better considering they worked on it for 3 years. I don't think it's as good of a record as her first 3. Maybe this new album will be more of a return to form for her.
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Post by Anna on Dec 11, 2020 13:53:38 GMT
Althought she debuted in 2006 it wasn't untill Love story that people knew her and that was around 2008-2009 so... there's the difference in time. Avril was famous since day 1. Taylor slowly built her name. Not to mention that Speak now didn't have a massive hit. It wasn't untill Red that she really got big. and that was in 2012. At least that's how we (not americans) lived it. Maybe she was big in America since day1, but internationally she wasn't. And you explained why one managed to be at the top for years (not to say a decade), and the other struggles. It’s very common for artists who made their first single a hit to struggle in the future while artists struggling/working harder to reach no. 1 survives at the top for much longer Internationally Taylor is still less popular than Avril is 🙂 When you count in Asian markets, interest in Europe - I know Taylor would sell out the tour in 10 seconds but when I look at her selling numbers in Europe, Avril is able to chart with better number is some countries where Taylor doesn’t really exist. But I think it’s the 2002-2005 impact, when people were still buying CDs to listen to the music. Now they buy CDs mainly to collect and they still listen on streaming platforms
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Post by Panchali on Dec 11, 2020 14:18:40 GMT
Althought she debuted in 2006 it wasn't untill Love story that people knew her and that was around 2008-2009 so... there's the difference in time. Avril was famous since day 1. Taylor slowly built her name. Not to mention that Speak now didn't have a massive hit. It wasn't untill Red that she really got big. and that was in 2012. At least that's how we (not americans) lived it. Maybe she was big in America since day1, but internationally she wasn't. I hadn’t heard of Taylor until 2009. The only song I had heard was love story. I listened to her album online but it didn’t click with me.
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Post by Panchali on Dec 11, 2020 14:20:32 GMT
Don’t really think it’s fair to compare them, they’re so different in terms of where they are in the industry. I find it funny how people call Avril an introvert and say Taylor attention seeks etc. Taylor wrote about past relationships but now her private life is pretty private. Avril keeps her private life quiet when it suits her but then didn’t mind selling her wedding photos and telling us about Chad bending her over a kitchen worktop. All celebs use it to their advantage when they want to. Yeah and let’s be honest. Avril’s last few albums have been subpar at best. Anyone who thinks Taylor’s music all sounds the same clearly hasn’t listened to the records in full. I don’t think we should compare them either, but if we’re being honest the quality of Avrils music has only declined for the most part in these recent years. I guess it’s about taste but... I have heard some of her albums in full and almost all of her songs sound way too similar for me.. they bore me so much. Even if I like a song, I don’t listen to it after a while.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 11, 2020 14:57:19 GMT
Yeah and let’s be honest. Avril’s last few albums have been subpar at best. Anyone who thinks Taylor’s music all sounds the same clearly hasn’t listened to the records in full. I don’t think we should compare them either, but if we’re being honest the quality of Avrils music has only declined for the most part in these recent years. I guess it’s about taste but... I have heard some of her albums in full and almost all of her songs sound way too similar for me.. they bore me so much. Even if I like a song, I don’t listen to it after a while. Some of her songs sound similar, yes, but each album itself is different from one another. Obviously with the exception of folklore and evermore which are meant to go together. Anyway I think we’re getting pretty off topic now. We have a whole thread dedicated to Taylor in the music discussion section if people wish to only discuss her and not in relation to Avril.
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Post by Panchali on Dec 11, 2020 15:01:41 GMT
I guess it’s about taste but... I have heard some of her albums in full and almost all of her songs sound way too similar for me.. they bore me so much. Even if I like a song, I don’t listen to it after a while. Some of her songs sound similar, yes, but each album itself is different from one another. Obviously with the exception of folklore and evermore which are meant to go together. Anyway I think we’re getting pretty off topic now. We have a whole thread dedicated to Taylor in the music discussion section if people wish to only discuss her and not in relation to Avril. Actually yes, I wasn’t comparing albums but songs in an album. So it’s like, I do like a couple of songs from each maybe, from Red era and after that, with the exception of Speak now. Don’t like any of her older songs from the rest.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 11, 2020 15:55:46 GMT
Well, HAW was much better than AL that's undeniable. And let's be honest now, Reputation wasn't that good either. I did like the whole concept, as an art project was great, a revange album, shady lyrics and attitude. I like the whole symbolism and the era in particular, but musically wasn't the best she's made. Same goes with Lover, some great tracks here and there, enjoyable music but not Red or 1989 level.
I think it is relevant to this thread tho. We always compare them so what's the point on moving comments anyway, the subject will emerge again anyways. It's not more "special" than talking about ModSun or MGK. But to my point: Taylor's lyrics are usually pretty good. Avril has to work on that a lot. I hope she takes inspiration from taylor and kinda make it a concept album. She's failed on doing that since forever, probably her most "concept album" is LG, is pretty cohesive but we're not sure how much involvement she had so...
If it's going to be pop-rock again i hope she does make a storyline or something. And if not, at least to be cohesive musically 'cause she kinda has an obsession to keep making AL's 🤦♂️
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 11, 2020 16:01:56 GMT
I’d say her strongest albums concept-wise were UMS and TBDT. She knew what she was going for with both and basically stuck to that idea. GL could have been a strong concept album had RCA not interfered. I hope for this album she tries to make it cohesive. But it’s a hard line to walk between making it cohesive but not making every song sound the same. I don’t think she’s ever been able to achieve an album with variety that didn’t sound like a mess, other than LG.
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Post by StrongSweet on Dec 11, 2020 16:31:13 GMT
I hope Head Above Water is the last album where she tests the water and give us album that has a very clear concept like her first 3 albums. There is nothing wrong with pop-punk/pop-rock/punk rock as long as the message is refined and deep instead of something like we all know like stealing girlfriend/ stay young something.. I wouldn't say they are dumb but just not wise like When You're Gone, Contagious
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Post by Anna on Dec 11, 2020 21:31:41 GMT
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 11, 2020 21:47:04 GMT
She looks older and very beautiful. I hope we do get to hear music fast. I refuse to use that other S word now. I wonder if maybe it's a collab for Modsun and a single for Avril maybe featuring Modsun too or just as a co-writer. Because that's too much time spent together just for one collaboration.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 11, 2020 21:57:24 GMT
in the pictures she's with the headphones in front of the mic. I guess she's indeed recorded something...BUT it's Avril after all.... u never know 😂😂
myabe she was recording: "mother freaking princess! the new fragance by Avril Lavigne"
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Post by Anna on Dec 11, 2020 21:59:40 GMT
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Post by Anna on Dec 11, 2020 22:00:06 GMT
in the pictures she's with the headphones in front of the mic. I guess she's indeed recorded something...BUT it's Avril after all.... u never know 😂😂 myabe she was recording: "mother freaking princess! the new fragance by Avril Lavigne" A while ago ModSun hinted a collab for his album
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