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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 7:57:04 GMT
I don't think it's fair to compare them at all. Adele has her own thing going on that's completely different from Avril. They're incomparable to me. I would go to Avril's music for different reasons than I would if I went to Adele's.
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Post by In Wonderland on Dec 5, 2016 9:34:17 GMT
I think that Avril using so "simple" words - makes her so popular in non-english speaking countries, and for the younger crowd. And when i say she needs to mature, it doesn't mean go become like Adele. Use the most mature sounding synonym you can think of. But it's more the sudden diversity in her songs. Yes you can have one party pop song followed by a ballad. But Avril i think, has lost that stating with GL. The sound/vibe of the songs doesn't quite fit side by side. GL and AL you can split the albums in half and get 2 ep's from both albums. The red line that is supposed to be there has split, the thread that is the album is not there. About what vibe/genre i wish AL6 will have. It doesn't matter for me. As long as Avril can stand for what she has created Pop, Rock, Punk, Hip Hop, Rap, Gospel, Folk, Indie, Alternative, Country, EDM - just not R&B/New Wave and i will be happy
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 5, 2016 13:05:03 GMT
The people who listen to Adele aren't all like middle aged or old people, far from it. My point is that she has an adult audience, while Avril doesn't. Appealing to teens and kids on her first 2-3 albums was a good idea, it worked well for the type of music she did then, and it made her successful. But it's kind of obvious she wanted GL to be her first "adult" album and possibly transition herself into an adult artist instead of teen pop. I think it would be best for her to move into being an AC (adult contemporary) artist at this point. The kids today are not interested in her, they barely know who she is because they were so young or maybe even not alive at all when she was at her peak. The "pop hits" they keep making her do pretty much fail or don't become as big as they probably expect (HTNGU managed to scrape the top 20 with little promo). The majority of her fans that have stuck by her are older teens or young adults or 30 somethings. Her music should grow with her fans, not stay stuck in what she was doing as a teenager. In fact I don't even think songs like WTH, HTNGU, or RNR hold a candle to the stuff she did then. It comes across very forced and inauthentic (because she's forced by the label to do it). It's clear from GL and the tripod songs that Avril wants to move in another direction. All adult contemporary means basically is pop music for adults. There's even hits from top 40 that will sometimes cross over into AC. Adele, Bruno Mars, Sara Bareilles - definitely not stuff "old people" are listening to. AC can include 20 and 30 somethings too. They are also probably more likely to buy records and support the artist whereas kids and teens usually can't afford it and they are fickle when it comes to supporting the artists they like, they tend to move on quickly. There'd be absolutely nothing wrong with Avril going in a more AC direction and leaving teen pop behind. She's 32. She's been through a lot. She could most definitely do more "mature" music at this point and I think her fans would welcome it, she might even gain some new listeners who otherwise didn't like her before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 13:08:10 GMT
Thanks for the laugh this morning 👌🏼😁 The crowd that adores Adele (think Barbara Streisand) is 180 from Avril lovers. IMHO. Agreed. And while 25 sold millions of copies to date, her singles besides Hello haven't done well on the radio. I never hear them. When We Were Young had a strong lead with Hello and still didn't last long. Send My Love did meh, too. I like Avril's "fuck you" lyrics. The older I get the more I want to just say fuck you to everyone. I also realize how much more I relate to Goodbye Lullaby. Idk, maybe it is just nostalgia and missing the good old days. But I really just love her albums. In other news, I heard Hello Kitty on the radio in my gym lol. I had to not break out into yelling KA KA KAWAII.
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Post by Amanda on Dec 5, 2016 13:28:08 GMT
The people who listen to Adele aren't all like middle aged or old people, far from it. My point is that she has an adult audience, while Avril doesn't. Appealing to teens and kids on her first 2-3 albums was a good idea, it worked well for the type of music she did then, and it made her successful. But it's kind of obvious she wanted GL to be her first "adult" album and possibly transition herself into an adult artist instead of teen pop. I think it would be best for her to move into being an AC (adult contemporary) artist at this point. The kids today are not interested in her, they barely know who she is because they were so young or maybe even not alive at all when she was at her peak. The "pop hits" they keep making her do pretty much fail or don't become as big as they probably expect (HTNGU managed to scrape the top 20 with little promo). The majority of her fans that have stuck by her are older teens or young adults or 30 somethings. Her music should grow with her fans, not stay stuck in what she was doing as a teenager. In fact I don't even think songs like WTH, HTNGU, or RNR hold a candle to the stuff she did then. It comes across very forced and inauthentic (because she's forced by the label to do it). It's clear from GL and the tripod songs that Avril wants to move in another direction. All adult contemporary means basically is pop music for adults. There's even hits from top 40 that will sometimes cross over into AC. Adele, Bruno Mars, Sara Bareilles - definitely not stuff "old people" are listening to. AC can include 20 and 30 somethings too. They are also probably more likely to buy records and support the artist whereas kids and teens usually can't afford it and they are fickle when it comes to supporting the artists they like, they tend to move on quickly. There'd be absolutely nothing wrong with Avril going in a more AC direction and leaving teen pop behind. She's 32. She's been through a lot. She could most definitely do more "mature" music at this point and I think her fans would welcome it, she might even gain some new listeners who otherwise didn't like her before. I agree and for me the main point is, when I listen to an Avril song about a breakup I still get the teenage break up vibes. A young naive relationship going to end, whereas with Adele (just an example) I understand why divorceed adults can relate more to her songs. The vibes, the melodies, the lyrics etc. It's a mixture together that I feel like Avril's music is too young lately. Thats why I also hope she will go towards an older audience and go deeper in her songs.
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Post by Nastaran on Dec 5, 2016 14:06:06 GMT
I totally agree with you. I used to enjoy TBDT when I was younger, but now I don't listen to it anymore, And it's so disappointing to see Avril making teen pop songs when she's in her 30s. I didn't really like HTNGU, and I HATED Hello Kitty! When I first heard that Chad Kroeger was co-writing her new album I was so excited, thinking it was gonna be something mature and something I can relate to. But seriously? Hello Kitty Hello Kitty?? I can't imagine Chad, even listening to Hello Kitty I actually prefer the musical style of Let Me Go, IMO it was the best of AL though it was a little boring.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 5, 2016 17:40:44 GMT
To answer what Katy addressed before (I had something written last night and one wrong click of a button on my phone and it got wiped away ) about why doesn't Avril just go independent. I have 2 theories. One is that she probably doesn't really know how to handle all this stuff on her own since she has relied on a team of people to take care of the business stuff since day 1 of her career. It's really hard to be an independent artist and hire people to help you book all your own shows, take care of social media stuff, merch stuff, etc. There's a lot to it and considering how big of an artist she is, going independent would mean probably having to hire a really big team of people to help her manage all this stuff, as opposed to those small indie bands that live in a van that really don't have to worry about as much stuff. She has a lot more assets and more to lose, so to speak. My other theory and what is probably more likely is her contract with Sony. As long as she is signed with Sony, she may have to legally be signed under one of the labels they own. It will be interesting to see if her contract with them ever expires and if it does, what she'll do next. But I think that could be the main reason she hasn't left the major labels behind just yet, is because of the whole thing with Sony. Anyone know if her contract with them has expired yet?
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Post by edd on Dec 6, 2016 3:11:39 GMT
I'm not very keen on Sara's music, I think it's a bit tacky (for my taste, don't get me wrong), even if it's good. I think that Avril is probably going to do a power ballads album, which is great but I think the best fit for her 30s would be doing something "edgier", you know what I mean?! I'm totally in for her doing songs that would be a mix of folk, electronic and rock or that have that rock-ish feel and a dense, more ellaborated music. I want to feel development on her music, I don't want a complete change in style, adaptating and evolving would be the best scenario ever. I'd be really pleased with something sounding like any of these songs, though:
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Post by sammy2010 on Dec 6, 2016 21:50:39 GMT
Doesn't sound like AL6 is her priority. The Abbey Dawn posts are getting old and almost robotic. The last one screamed marketing person posting.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 6, 2016 22:44:19 GMT
^ I don't think it is either. I think that she's anxious to get back into writing and recording and maybe write some new material about everything she's gone through and she's excited to be creative again. But I don't think her headspace is in "album mode" or "music promotion" right now, considering that she probably knows she is going to have to fight with her label again. I just doubt that after everything in these last 2 years she is emotionally or mentally prepared for that. She seems to be enjoying personal time off with family and friends and not really interested in working.
I also can't help but think her "stay tuned" posts were likely referring to the One OK Rock collaboration, the Charming song, and things like that. So that she couldn't get in trouble by saying an album isn't coming out anytime soon but that there is still music stuff coming out, even though it's not really her own stuff.
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Post by Jinkxx on Dec 7, 2016 13:50:26 GMT
The people who listen to Adele aren't all like middle aged or old people, far from it. My point is that she has an adult audience, while Avril doesn't. Appealing to teens and kids on her first 2-3 albums was a good idea, it worked well for the type of music she did then, and it made her successful. But it's kind of obvious she wanted GL to be her first "adult" album and possibly transition herself into an adult artist instead of teen pop. I think it would be best for her to move into being an AC (adult contemporary) artist at this point. The kids today are not interested in her, they barely know who she is because they were so young or maybe even not alive at all when she was at her peak. The "pop hits" they keep making her do pretty much fail or don't become as big as they probably expect (HTNGU managed to scrape the top 20 with little promo). The majority of her fans that have stuck by her are older teens or young adults or 30 somethings. Her music should grow with her fans, not stay stuck in what she was doing as a teenager. In fact I don't even think songs like WTH, HTNGU, or RNR hold a candle to the stuff she did then. It comes across very forced and inauthentic (because she's forced by the label to do it). It's clear from GL and the tripod songs that Avril wants to move in another direction. All adult contemporary means basically is pop music for adults. There's even hits from top 40 that will sometimes cross over into AC. Adele, Bruno Mars, Sara Bareilles - definitely not stuff "old people" are listening to. AC can include 20 and 30 somethings too. They are also probably more likely to buy records and support the artist whereas kids and teens usually can't afford it and they are fickle when it comes to supporting the artists they like, they tend to move on quickly. There'd be absolutely nothing wrong with Avril going in a more AC direction and leaving teen pop behind. She's 32. She's been through a lot. She could most definitely do more "mature" music at this point and I think her fans would welcome it, she might even gain some new listeners who otherwise didn't like her before. I agree and for me the main point is, when I listen to an Avril song about a breakup I still get the teenage break up vibes. A young naive relationship going to end, whereas with Adele (just an example) I understand why divorceed adults can relate more to her songs. The vibes, the melodies, the lyrics etc. It's a mixture together that I feel like Avril's music is too young lately. Thats why I also hope she will go towards an older audience and go deeper in her songs.THIS!! Yes please!!
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Post by Jinkxx on Dec 7, 2016 13:51:52 GMT
I totally agree with you. I used to enjoy TBDT when I was younger, but now I don't listen to it anymore, And it's so disappointing to see Avril making teen pop songs when she's in her 30s. I didn't really like HTNGU, and I HATED Hello Kitty! When I first heard that Chad Kroeger was co-writing her new album I was so excited, thinking it was gonna be something mature and something I can relate to. But seriously? Hello Kitty Hello Kitty?? I can't imagine Chad, even listening to Hello Kitty I actually prefer the musical style of Let Me Go, IMO it was the best of AL though it was a little boring. Yes, it also would be a littlebit weird to listen to it when we're in our 30s. Wich is in about 2 years! She needs to step up with her writing and melody
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Post by Jack on Dec 7, 2016 15:53:49 GMT
The people who listen to Adele aren't all like middle aged or old people, far from it. My point is that she has an adult audience, while Avril doesn't. Appealing to teens and kids on her first 2-3 albums was a good idea, it worked well for the type of music she did then, and it made her successful. But it's kind of obvious she wanted GL to be her first "adult" album and possibly transition herself into an adult artist instead of teen pop. I think it would be best for her to move into being an AC (adult contemporary) artist at this point. The kids today are not interested in her, they barely know who she is because they were so young or maybe even not alive at all when she was at her peak. The "pop hits" they keep making her do pretty much fail or don't become as big as they probably expect (HTNGU managed to scrape the top 20 with little promo). The majority of her fans that have stuck by her are older teens or young adults or 30 somethings. Her music should grow with her fans, not stay stuck in what she was doing as a teenager. In fact I don't even think songs like WTH, HTNGU, or RNR hold a candle to the stuff she did then. It comes across very forced and inauthentic (because she's forced by the label to do it). It's clear from GL and the tripod songs that Avril wants to move in another direction. All adult contemporary means basically is pop music for adults. There's even hits from top 40 that will sometimes cross over into AC. Adele, Bruno Mars, Sara Bareilles - definitely not stuff "old people" are listening to. AC can include 20 and 30 somethings too. They are also probably more likely to buy records and support the artist whereas kids and teens usually can't afford it and they are fickle when it comes to supporting the artists they like, they tend to move on quickly. There'd be absolutely nothing wrong with Avril going in a more AC direction and leaving teen pop behind. She's 32. She's been through a lot. She could most definitely do more "mature" music at this point and I think her fans would welcome it, she might even gain some new listeners who otherwise didn't like her before. I agree and for me the main point is, when I listen to an Avril song about a breakup I still get the teenage break up vibes. A young naive relationship going to end, whereas with Adele (just an example) I understand why divorceed adults can relate more to her songs. The vibes, the melodies, the lyrics etc. It's a mixture together that I feel like Avril's music is too young lately. Thats why I also hope she will go towards an older audience and go deeper in her songs. I agree, but I think she's done a little steps in the good direction. For instance, for GL she talked about breakup in a different, more mature manner; before, for UMS, she blamed the guy, and it looked teenager-ish (which was fine at the time); with that album, she partially blamed herself and wasn't as "agressive" towards the guy (Deryck in that case). She still had that "juvenile" flavour but not too much. I think that good evolution is one of the reasons I liked that album so much. As for AL, I think it was a little step backwards when it comes to relationship songs; they didn't look as "bratty" as previous albums, but also didn't really look like made by an almost-30-year-old woman with a divorce and a new marriage under her belt. I would definitely want her to write more mature, grown-up songs about relationships, whether they're breakups (Chad) or new relationships (Ryan). She said the Lyme disease made her change the way she views things, let's hope that's true in this matter.
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Post by sliperslip on Dec 7, 2016 16:02:01 GMT
she could maybe sometimes apologize, cuz we didn't get hello song or viper room, which is probably not her fault, but still she could say something, from the TBDT era i see her just as money maker, music with no passion but just what she and her team expect to make money, and i dont expect nothing different for al6, just a teen pop upbeat songs, but don't her team see that game changed and that's not what works for her anymore, and even AD looks for me just like "let's make some money quick" no passion again,and the promo is afful, i want to see this "old soul" in her, as she used to tell that she is.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 7, 2016 16:43:57 GMT
I think that the label situations with GL and AL caused her to lose a bit of her drive and passion, but that Lyme has kind of given her her passion for music back. While she was sick she did her best to film a GYWYL music video and release Fly because she knew fans had been asking for it for a long time. I don't think she would have done that if she didn't care about music or her fans anymore. She's also said seeing other artists perform like Taylor, Britney, and 5SOS makes her want to be onstage again. Hopefully all of this has given her her passion and drive back. If the label would just get out of the way and let her do her thing, I think we could get a really decent album from her and no lame attempts at pop hits.
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