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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 2:36:16 GMT
Im most curious about what the song was she was inspired and writing (if she ever materilized it into anything) the day Jinxx met her
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Post by doubtfire on Feb 25, 2024 18:21:55 GMT
The production on these new songs are awful… what’s with the trap beats. And Rock Show is tooooooooo pop. I don’t know… it just feels like she wants to regurgitate 2007 over and over and over again. Like why not do some country inspired songs like on Let Go, or hard rock like Under My Skin, or acoustic like Goodbye Lullaby, or dark piano ballads from AL5, or jazz-inspired pop from Head Above Water, but update them for a 40yo in 2024. Hell, maybe adventure out and do something more along the lines of Tori Amos and Jewel and tap into folk again. Idk, just something different and artistically interesting. Half of these songs are the same formula she always does and the nostalgia is wearing off… these new songs are boring
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Post by gabbox on Feb 26, 2024 15:35:28 GMT
As far as the thing about "these leaks are songs done before working with YB" I'm not sure at all. They started working together for I'm a Mess and they kept working on.
For sure They had already been working together when Avril dated Tyga and wrote Rapstar, It definitely isn't prior to YB session, so it's concerning
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Post by aprilvineyard on Feb 26, 2024 17:50:41 GMT
Just heard rap star and boy at the rock show .. in my humble opinion they both suck. Weird production (probably unfinished tho), chipmunk vocals, lame subject matter and catchphrases, boring melodies... Glad they were sacked!!!!
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Post by katy on Feb 26, 2024 19:20:18 GMT
I appreciate these have (likely) been scrapped but I agree it’s concerning she’s still making songs like this when we were all hoping for something a bit more mature from this next album. I agree with others in that she’s just trying to replicate her peak era over and over. But that was 17 years ago and we’ve all aged and matured since then and she just hasn’t. Shes at her best when she’s trying something different to her standard (TMIO, GYWYL, not her usual genre but so good!). If she really wants to keep up this “motherfucking princess” crap then she really needs to have music with more substance behind it, not just keep regurgitating the same lines and themes over and over. Shes approaching 40, she’s been in the industry since she was a teenager, she’s had two divorces, a broken engagement and a big health scare - surely she has something more to say than what she gives us? And why is she writing songs about the walking ick Tyga who she dated for all of 2 minutes? It’s just such an immature mentality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 19:25:37 GMT
I appreciate these have (likely) been scrapped but I agree it’s concerning she’s still making songs like this when we were all hoping for something a bit more mature from this next album. I agree with others in that she’s just trying to replicate her peak era over and over. But that was 17 years ago and we’ve all aged and matured since then and she just hasn’t. Shes at her best when she’s trying something different to her standard (TMIO, GYWYL, not her usual genre but so good!). If she really wants to keep up this “motherfucking princess” crap then she really needs to have music with more substance behind it, not just keep regurgitating the same lines and themes over and over. Shes approaching 40, she’s been in the industry since she was a teenager, she’s had two divorces, a broken engagement and a big health scare - surely she has something more to say than what she gives us? And why is she writing songs about the walking ick Tyga who she dated for all of 2 minutes? It’s just such an immature mentality. Honestly? Im gonna blame it on the GP more cuz its clearly what gets them talking. TBDT, LS all highly praised cuz thats what they love from her yet HAW, STm absolutely nobody talked about that.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Feb 26, 2024 19:53:13 GMT
I appreciate these have (likely) been scrapped but I agree it’s concerning she’s still making songs like this when we were all hoping for something a bit more mature from this next album. I agree with others in that she’s just trying to replicate her peak era over and over. But that was 17 years ago and we’ve all aged and matured since then and she just hasn’t. Shes at her best when she’s trying something different to her standard (TMIO, GYWYL, not her usual genre but so good!). If she really wants to keep up this “motherfucking princess” crap then she really needs to have music with more substance behind it, not just keep regurgitating the same lines and themes over and over. Shes approaching 40, she’s been in the industry since she was a teenager, she’s had two divorces, a broken engagement and a big health scare - surely she has something more to say than what she gives us? And why is she writing songs about the walking ick Tyga who she dated for all of 2 minutes? It’s just such an immature mentality. Honestly? Im gonna blame it on the GP more cuz its clearly what gets them talking. TBDT, LS all highly praised cuz thats what they love from her yet HAW, STm absolutely nobody talked about that. Blame Avril. She loves making this type of songs nowadays. It's nobody's fault but hers.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Feb 26, 2024 19:56:10 GMT
I appreciate these have (likely) been scrapped but I agree it’s concerning she’s still making songs like this when we were all hoping for something a bit more mature from this next album. I agree with others in that she’s just trying to replicate her peak era over and over. But that was 17 years ago and we’ve all aged and matured since then and she just hasn’t. Shes at her best when she’s trying something different to her standard (TMIO, GYWYL, not her usual genre but so good!). If she really wants to keep up this “motherfucking princess” crap then she really needs to have music with more substance behind it, not just keep regurgitating the same lines and themes over and over. Shes approaching 40, she’s been in the industry since she was a teenager, she’s had two divorces, a broken engagement and a big health scare - surely she has something more to say than what she gives us? And why is she writing songs about the walking ick Tyga who she dated for all of 2 minutes? It’s just such an immature mentality. It's super frustrating when you realize that you're way younger than your idol and you would write better songs with more elaborate vocabulary and deeper subjects. Life at 30s is way deeper than a breakup from a brief romantic relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 19:59:08 GMT
Honestly? Im gonna blame it on the GP more cuz its clearly what gets them talking. TBDT, LS all highly praised cuz thats what they love from her yet HAW, STm absolutely nobody talked about that. Blame Avril. She loves making this type of songs nowadays. It's nobody's fault but hers. Yeah but those songsget the public talking. They like those songs. HAW? TMIO> IWIM? Nobody talked or listened to them. LS came out? Everyone talked about it. Why? because it was back to her punk roots and simple. Thats what the GP ikes now a days they dont care for deep lyrics they care for beats and shit
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Feb 26, 2024 20:22:37 GMT
Blame Avril. She loves making this type of songs nowadays. It's nobody's fault but hers. Yeah but those songsget the public talking. They like those songs. HAW? TMIO> IWIM? Nobody talked or listened to them. LS came out? Everyone talked about it. Why? because it was back to her punk roots and simple. Thats what the GP ikes now a days they dont care for deep lyrics they care for beats and shit Avril barely promoted these songs and the whole HAW era. I remember that TMIO gained its first televiosioned performance one year later the single release!!! Avril dropped HAW (single) in september and stopped performing it until february (album release). HAW Tour happened 7 months after the album release and one year after the single release. There was no live tv performance or promo concert between september, 27 and februrary, 13. There was no nostalgia wave (2020's pop punk revival) behind this era and neither a celebrative date just like the 20th anniversary of Let Go. The tour happened in 16 cities only in 2019, all in theaters (15 shows in US and 1 in Canada). Don't forget the views and streams of HAW (single) which increased way faster than "Bite Me". ...way different from LS era. The indirect promo started with Flames and her tabloid love relationship with Mod Sun. Later then, she had Travis Barker and a bunch of pop punk people behind her for this album. She was everywhere to promote this album. She was also announced in early 2022 as a performer on big festivals like "When We Were Young", "Rock in Rio", Firefly and Boston Calling festival. Don't forget that she sang Bite Me, Love when you hate me and Bois Lie in big arenas as the MGK opening act in US and Canada. Bite Me Tour was announced and tickets started being sold even before the release of Love Sux.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 26, 2024 21:01:49 GMT
Honestly I do agree I think it’s partially the fans/GP to blame. All you have to do is look under the comments any time she asks what songs she should play and it’s always Sk8er Boi, GF, etc. as if she isn’t already going to play those. Maybe sometimes they also ask for NH and Avalanche, or some deep cuts, but I don’t really blame Avril for not understanding what fans want when she’s getting mixed signals. Her ballads and deeper songs just don’t tend to get as much airplay or response as her big pop songs. So she naturally thinks this is what fans want.
That being said, she can certainly find ways to make uptempo, more commercial music with substance and that is more age appropriate than the juvenile stuff she’s been doing lately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 21:11:27 GMT
Honestly I do agree I think it’s partially the fans/GP to blame. All you have to do is look under the comments any time she asks what songs she should play and it’s always Sk8er Boi, GF, etc. as if she isn’t already going to play those. Maybe sometimes they also ask for NH and Avalanche, or some deep cuts, but I don’t really blame Avril for not understanding what fans want when she’s getting mixed signals. Her ballads and deeper songs just don’t tend to get as much airplay or response as her big pop songs. So she naturally thinks this is what fans want. That being said, she can certainly find ways to make uptempo, more commercial music with substance and that is more age appropriate than the juvenile stuff she’s been doing lately. I didnt even think about that too the comments. I find it funny on her greatest hits post she said "Maybe fan suggestions?" And everyone is like Play GF, Olay COmplciated, Play Sk8er Boi, Like no shit shes gonna play those those are legit her greatest hits. I. mean hopefully NH is mentioned more with it being popular more.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Feb 26, 2024 21:17:42 GMT
Exactly...you can make un upbeat song with better lyrics. And there's plenty of succesfull ballads or mid tempo songs today too. She has her nieche already, the emos and the soft punks, the pop-rock fans basically. She doesn't need to do any new trends. LG to this day still stays timeless because of it's raw instrumentals and simple but effective melodies, with better lyrics. And even tho some songs scream very late 90s pop rock girl, or early 00s pop-punk, but it's still an album that passed the test of time. For the most part, UMS did it too. And funny enough i think LS did it as well since it's production is mostly real instrumentation. It will age well.
She had it's fun moment laughing at her love life, which is not a bad concept at all and it served it's purpose, but now it's time to explore new topics. I appreciate she tried in HAW but literally only 2 songs talked about her illness and struggles and then the rest was either love songs or breakup songs.
As someone said before, after 2 divorces and a messed up disease, she could take a more introspective route and talk about her feelings about life, friendships, about being lost, not finding who you are, getting betrayed, losing a loved one, accepting the world is cruel, that sometimes it's her fault, more of a blame myself for my failures for example. i know she touched some of these subjects before, but she could revisit most of them with the experience she has now. In her head her thougths are deep but sometimes she can't even speak. She's never been the type of person to open up too much to the public BUT she could literally do it and lie about it and say it's a made up character or story lol...
anyways, i think we'll have to wait more than we think for AL8, sadly
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Post by katy on Feb 26, 2024 21:24:24 GMT
Honestly I think it’s more that this is what she wants to make, I don’t see her pandering to anyone, and that’s what’s most concerning to me. She obviously must make what she’s passionate about but I really struggle to understand how she’s been through so much in her personal life and all she’s really got to say is “boys suck and make me sick!!”. If she wants to keep doing LS-type sounds then fine whatever, but at least have some substance behind it lyrically and in the subject matters. I can appreciate a few fun immature songs for what they are, but when it’s full albums it just loses me. Like I’m in my 30’s, as are most of her fans, I just don’t understand who she thinks her audience is? Shes making music for people having a mid life crisis at this point (I joke but also kind of don’t). Surely she has more to say on her relationships - which less be honest has been quite a messy history - than to blame it all on the guy all the time
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 21:25:30 GMT
Exactly...you can make un upbeat song with better lyrics. And there's plenty of succesfull ballads or mid tempo songs today too. She has her nieche already, the emos and the soft punks, the pop-rock fans basically. She doesn't need to do any new trends. LG to this day still stays timeless because of it's raw instrumentals and simple but effective melodies, with better lyrics. And even tho some songs scream very late 90s pop rock girl, or early 00s pop-punk, but it's still an album that passed the test of time. For the most part, UMS did it too. And funny enough i think LS did it as well since it's production is mostly real instrumentation. It will age well. She had it's fun moment laughing at her love life, which is not a bad concept at all and it served it's purpose, but now it's time to explore new topics. I appreciate she tried in HAW but literally only 2 songs talked about her illness and struggles and then the rest was either love songs or breakup songs. As someone said before, after 2 divorces and a messed up disease, she could take a more introspective route and talk about her feelings about life, friendships, about being lost, not finding who you are, getting betrayed, losing a loved one, accepting the world is cruel, that sometimes it's her fault, more of a blame myself for my failures for example. i know she touched some of these subjects before, but she could revisit most of them with the experience she has now. In her head her thougths are deep but sometimes she can't even speak. She's never been the type of person to open up too much to the public BUT she could literally do it and lie about it and say it's a made up character or story lol... anyways, i think we'll have to wait more than we think for AL8, sadly True do what Taylor did with Folklore (Which now after everything we're seeing oh it was based of her life) Like saying oh so i made up a lvoe triangle where this guy and a girl were engaged but then the girl ended the engagment and left for this other rapper dude. (Ok maybe not that obvious but still lmao)
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