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Post by sam on Sept 7, 2015 15:13:27 GMT
Cool thread!! Theres one thing I still don't understand. If I may quote Paramore's Wikipedia site: Joshua Martin had written after an interview with Hayley Williams, "The band isn't just a short pop-punk girl with red hair and a spunky attitude. Their music is like them, it's aged differently. It's sped up, and slowed down. It's emo without being whiny, or bratty. Almost a very literal anti-Avril Lavigne." Why "anti-Avril Lavigne" ? I'm guessing he is meaning to say that he thinks Avril's music is emo, whiny, and bratty while Paramore's isn't. LOL is he serious
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 15:20:00 GMT
I'm guessing he is meaning to say that he thinks Avril's music is emo, whiny, and bratty while Paramore's isn't. LOL is he serious
But he is not saying that Paramore is not emo
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Post by Silent Soul on Sept 7, 2015 16:30:42 GMT
^Has anyone any idea which "image" Avril has in the emo scene?
Of course Avril is not emo and she never considered herself as emo. But tbh, the TBDT era reminds me very much of the emo era. She used a lot of black and pink checkered stuff, which is like the shit for emos. It also came out exactly at that time, when being emo was the shit. So what are your toughts?
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Post by Gabo on Sept 7, 2015 18:39:36 GMT
Honestly this destroys the credibility of all those "musical influences" she claimed. #letgoeraquotes Hahahaha thought the same, maybe after the incident of not knowing who Sid Vicious is, she kinda started listening them. Apparently, "Girlfriend" was influenced instrumentally by the Sex Pistols according to Dr Luke: " It has the same chord progressions as 10 different Blink-182 songs, the standard changes you'd find in a Sum 41 song. It's the Sex Pistols, not the Rubinoos."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 18:46:19 GMT
Who gives a crap what other people think of avril
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Post by Gabo on Sept 7, 2015 19:01:55 GMT
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 7, 2015 20:24:19 GMT
Yeah I've never really understood why people say she was "girly" in that era or hated the clothes she wore. It was hardly that different from what she used to wear in the LG and UMS eras, maybe just a little more feminine/pink or stylish. But the same style is still there.
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Post by Dillon on Sept 7, 2015 21:20:30 GMT
I think that maybe the "girly" attribution probably stemmed mostly from photoshoots in which she allowed the magazines do start dressing her in more feminine or "racy" ways. During the LG era Avril recycled the same kind of style and poses for almost all of the photoshoots; she maintained her tom-boy/different-than-everyone-else look. And during the UMS she spruced it up and changed it up a good bit; she still showed that she was different than everyone else and maintained her image but without including the teen/skater side of her and showed a slightly more mature side. But after UMS and even before the start of TBDT Avril started to embrace more and was open to more things during her photoshoots.
Edit: Plus, people just see that Avril used a lot of pink stuff and automatically link that to her being more girly.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 8, 2015 0:49:15 GMT
I think that maybe the "girly" attribution probably stemmed mostly from photoshoots in which she allowed the magazines do start dressing her in more feminine or "racy" ways. During the LG era Avril recycled the same kind of style and poses for almost all of the photoshoots; she maintained her tom-boy/different-than-everyone-else look. And during the UMS she spruced it up and changed it up a good bit; she still showed that she was different than everyone else and maintained her image but without including the teen/skater side of her and showed a slightly more mature side. But after UMS and even before the start of TBDT Avril started to embrace more and was open to more things during her photoshoots. Edit: Plus, people just see that Avril used a lot of pink stuff and automatically link that to her being more girly. Yeah that's what I mean- it's stupid if you think about it. She started dressing more feminine in UMS era, wearing skirts, dresses, and sometimes even heels, yet nobody calls her "girly" there. I guess just because she wore a gothic or black style skirt that is automatically not considered "girly." *eyeroll*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 7:40:23 GMT
I think that maybe the "girly" attribution probably stemmed mostly from photoshoots in which she allowed the magazines do start dressing her in more feminine or "racy" ways. During the LG era Avril recycled the same kind of style and poses for almost all of the photoshoots; she maintained her tom-boy/different-than-everyone-else look. And during the UMS she spruced it up and changed it up a good bit; she still showed that she was different than everyone else and maintained her image but without including the teen/skater side of her and showed a slightly more mature side. But after UMS and even before the start of TBDT Avril started to embrace more and was open to more things during her photoshoots. Edit: Plus, people just see that Avril used a lot of pink stuff and automatically link that to her being more girly. Yeah that's what I mean- it's stupid if you think about it. She started dressing more feminine in UMS era, wearing skirts, dresses, and sometimes even heels, yet nobody calls her "girly" there. I guess just because she wore a gothic or black style skirt that is automatically not considered "girly." *eyeroll*
Whines like "she dresses girly" always came from young kids. Wasn't "lol she wears like a 12 yr old girl" a more popular diss opinion druing the TBDT, and even in GL era? I saw a lot of these comments when Abbey Dawn was launched. (though I can't find anything wrong with her clothes in those pictures above. Well, maybe those are some of her 'best styles' during that era - I saw a lot of pictures which I had to agree that she wore like a young girl sometimes)
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Post by thyarchery on Sept 8, 2015 20:25:44 GMT
Honestly this destroys the credibility of all those "musical influences" she claimed. #letgoeraquotes Hahahaha thought the same, maybe after the incident of not knowing who Sid Vicious is, she kinda started listening them. Apparently, "Girlfriend" was influenced instrumentally by the Sex Pistols according to Dr Luke: " It has the same chord progressions as 10 different Blink-182 songs, the standard changes you'd find in a Sum 41 song. It's the Sex Pistols, not the Rubinoos." I actually happened to start listening to the Sex Pistols after the whole Sid Vicious incident and now they are one of my favourite bands. Add that to my list of influences
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Post by Rawad on Sept 9, 2015 6:04:26 GMT
Ashley Tisdale is also a very big Avril fan.
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Post by Kaiye on Sept 9, 2015 6:21:03 GMT
Most of the non-fans who like(d) Avril, like the record LG rather than the artist Avril herself. My thoughts...
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Post by Gabo on Sept 10, 2015 6:01:54 GMT
Her Let Go band (except Evan) played in small local punk bands before they played for Avril... they talked about some CDs they gave Avril to listen (mostly punk rock, pop-punk and rock). Maybe some of it influenced the direction on UMS to have a heavier sound? Lavigne and her band make perfect co-conspirators. The boys are all a few years older and treat their pint-size leader like a kid sister. The four punk rockers have been trying to school Lavigne on what she should listen to. “For her birthday, I got her [AC/DC's] Back in Black, the Clash singles and the new Me First and the Gimme Gimmes — your straightforward rock & roll, your punk and your pop punk,” says bassist Charlie Moniz, the resident indie-rock connoisseur. Brann gave her a copy of Nirvana's Nevermind. And Colburn gave her the Smashing Pumpkins' Siamese Dream and some Pixies stuff. “I started her off with the more palatable ones, like ‘Monkey Gone to Heaven,’” he says. “Then I give her ‘Debaser,’ and she's like, ‘I don't know about that.’” She even got a lesson in recent music history from one of her heroes: the Goo Goo Dolls' Johnny Rzeznik. “What's that CD that Johnny Rzeznik bought me?” Lavigne asks her tour manager, Dan Garnett. “It starts with an R.” She squinches her forehead and tries to remember. Finally she asks me, “Do you know who Johnny Rzeznik's idol was?” The Replacements, I suggest. “Yeah, the Replacements! I never have time to listen to it, but I like it.”I didnt even know Rzeznik bought her a punk album from The Replacements. www.rollingstone.com/music/news/little-miss-cant-be-wrong-20030320
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 8:37:17 GMT
Katy Perry did not want to be an Avril Lavigne ver.2
In 2004~2006, Columbia Records wanted to market Katy Perry as Avril Lavigne style, thus collaborated her with The Matrix. Katy Perry, saying something like "I am who I am, I don't want to be a second version of someone else", strongly resisted against her record. This conflict continued until she was dropped from Columbia Records, as the record neared completion.
Not sure if this fits the thread. At least "Columbia Records" was strongly influenced by Avril lol
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