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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 7:49:06 GMT
Strength: Great on Piano Weakness: Stagnancy when it comes to improving instrument skills She's good at playing instruments in my opinion,except the drums(mediocre at best).
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Post by DC Lascelle on Oct 20, 2022 10:54:48 GMT
Strength: Great on Piano Weakness: Stagnancy when it comes to improving instrument skills She's good at playing instruments in my opinion,except the drums(mediocre at best). Hey, no fair! I would like this thread just to be a place where people can make their opinions known on the record without being challenged on them. Also, you haven't provided an Avril Strength or Weakness yet. Let us know what you think! Please? C'mon, there HAS to be something you think Avril can improve on, isn't there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 12:19:24 GMT
Strengths:She's amazing vocalist,has a good fashion sense,can really make you emotional when you listen to her music,especially ballads. Weakness:Even though I think she is good songwriter and has potential to show it more often,her recent stuff isn't that good in terms of songwriting and she can be lazy at times.
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Post by damncoldnights on Oct 24, 2022 21:35:38 GMT
Fun idea for a thread, @dc Lascelle!
Hmmm.....
Strengths: being true to herself/believing in herself/self-advocacy/resilience Weaknesses: impulsivity/excitedness in teasing her new music/eras... I think she has good intentions but just gets ahead of herself
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Oct 24, 2022 23:20:51 GMT
Strengths - Being so down to earth, humble and relatable. I love how she still wears jeans and hoodies and embraces what's comfortable and her song writing and lyrics and how they are also so relatebale and comforting Weakness - Never having been to my country
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Post by quincy2000reingoud on Oct 27, 2022 16:08:06 GMT
Strenth:Her beautiful voice and her cooking stories on Instagram
Weakness: Lack of Communication
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 0:35:37 GMT
I'm really curious to know whether anybody who contributed to this topic (or who started it) ever logged onto Facebook one day and saw a group of people posting about the strengths and weaknesses of their personality and work ethic. And if they did, how they felt about that. Sigh, Avrilbandaids... How I've missed thee.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Nov 6, 2022 0:45:46 GMT
I'm really curious to know whether anybody who contributed to this topic (or who started it) ever logged onto Facebook one day and saw a group of people posting about the strengths and weaknesses of their personality and work ethic. And if they did, how they felt about that. Sigh, Avrilbandaids... How I've missed thee. I started it. No. And I wouldn't care less. (I'm old, I've heard it all.) Also, Avril Lavigne is a public figure who's been under intense public scrutiny for 20+ years. If the mods had a problem with this thread they would have closed it down.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 0:58:45 GMT
Nobody thus far has said anything offensive as a weakness. Like it'd be different if somebody said something about her weight/appearance, or saying she's "lazy" because of her health issues, or something equally disrespectful. As far as I've seen, most of the criticisms have been about her work/career, i.e. she could communicate better with fans, or work more on her songwriting and instrument skills, etc., which are fair critiques and weren't presented in a disrespectful way.
Sorry to say it but it annoys me a lot when somebody new comes onto a forum and then starts bitching about it. You just got here. We've been here since 2015. We don't all have to love every single thing Avril does and blow smoke up her ass constantly. The old forum was the exact same way. Only saying nothing but good things all the time would be so boring. As long as nobody is being super disrespectful or violating our rules, almost anything goes here really.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 1:09:18 GMT
Nobody thus far has said anything offensive as a weakness. Like it'd be different if somebody said something about her weight/appearance, or saying she's "lazy" because of her health issues, or something equally disrespectful. As far as I've seen, most of the criticisms have been about her work/career, i.e. she could communicate better with fans, or work more on her songwriting and instrument skills, etc., which are fair critiques and weren't presented in a disrespectful way. Sorry to say it but it annoys me a lot when somebody new comes onto a forum and then starts bitching about it. You just got here. We've been here since 2015. We don't all have to love every single thing Avril does and blow smoke up her ass constantly. The old forum was the exact same way. Only saying nothing but good things all the time would be so boring. As long as nobody is being super disrespectful or violating our rules, almost anything goes here really. I am by no means new, my friend. And in my short comeback on this site, I’ve never claimed to think everything she does is gold. Album strengths and weaknesses? Sure. Lyrical strengths and weaknesses? Awesome conversation. Avril as a person strengths and weaknesses? Tacky. At what point do these conversations surpass the art and music and start becoming an attack on character? The whole reason why I bothered creating an actual account on here again was because of how sidetracked this place gets and how it’s steering away from the music. I’d love to contribute in getting it back in that direction, because that’s what Bandaiders are all about. Watch Almost Famous.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 1:18:41 GMT
Nobody thus far has said anything offensive as a weakness. Like it'd be different if somebody said something about her weight/appearance, or saying she's "lazy" because of her health issues, or something equally disrespectful. As far as I've seen, most of the criticisms have been about her work/career, i.e. she could communicate better with fans, or work more on her songwriting and instrument skills, etc., which are fair critiques and weren't presented in a disrespectful way. Sorry to say it but it annoys me a lot when somebody new comes onto a forum and then starts bitching about it. You just got here. We've been here since 2015. We don't all have to love every single thing Avril does and blow smoke up her ass constantly. The old forum was the exact same way. Only saying nothing but good things all the time would be so boring. As long as nobody is being super disrespectful or violating our rules, almost anything goes here really. I am by no means new, my friend. And in my short comeback on this site, I’ve never claimed to think everything she does is gold. Album strengths and weaknesses? Sure. Lyrical strengths and weaknesses? Awesome conversation. Avril as a person strengths and weaknesses? Tacky. At what point do these conversations surpass the art and music and start becoming an attack on character? The whole reason why I bothered creating an actual account on here again was because of how sidetracked this place gets and how it’s steering away from the music. I’d love to contribute in getting it back in that direction, because that’s what Bandaiders are all about. Watch Almost Famous. We aren't obligated to only talk about things you personally find acceptable to talk about. We're all entitled to our opinions here, as long as no one is breaking the rules. We have explicit guidelines about what is and isn't acceptable here. What you perceive to be "attacks on her character" may not be to other people. Saying she's "lazy" might be overly rude. Saying she could improve on certain things is not. One thing we don't allow here though is for members to attack each other just because they have a difference in opinion. We aren't adjusting our guidelines or what we're allowed to discuss here because of one person's personal preferences. By all means you can be as complimentary of her as you want, but you don't have the right to enforce that onto anyone else.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 1:51:21 GMT
I am by no means new, my friend. And in my short comeback on this site, I’ve never claimed to think everything she does is gold. Album strengths and weaknesses? Sure. Lyrical strengths and weaknesses? Awesome conversation. Avril as a person strengths and weaknesses? Tacky. At what point do these conversations surpass the art and music and start becoming an attack on character? The whole reason why I bothered creating an actual account on here again was because of how sidetracked this place gets and how it’s steering away from the music. I’d love to contribute in getting it back in that direction, because that’s what Bandaiders are all about. Watch Almost Famous. We aren't obligated to only talk about things you personally find acceptable to talk about. We're all entitled to our opinions here, as long as no one is breaking the rules. We have explicit guidelines about what is and isn't acceptable here. What you perceive to be "attacks on her character" may not be to other people. Saying she's "lazy" might be overly rude. Saying she could improve on certain things is not. One thing we don't allow here though is for members to attack each other just because they have a difference in opinion. We aren't adjusting our guidelines or what we're allowed to discuss here because of one person's personal preferences. By all means you can be as complimentary of her as you want, but you don't have the right to enforce that onto anyone else. Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Nov 6, 2022 2:07:25 GMT
We aren't obligated to only talk about things you personally find acceptable to talk about. We're all entitled to our opinions here, as long as no one is breaking the rules. We have explicit guidelines about what is and isn't acceptable here. What you perceive to be "attacks on her character" may not be to other people. Saying she's "lazy" might be overly rude. Saying she could improve on certain things is not. One thing we don't allow here though is for members to attack each other just because they have a difference in opinion. We aren't adjusting our guidelines or what we're allowed to discuss here because of one person's personal preferences. By all means you can be as complimentary of her as you want, but you don't have the right to enforce that onto anyone else. Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne. A) Thanks for bringing so much attention to this thread! It’s been a bit dormant for some time. I hope this perks it right back up again. B) I think it’s unnecessary but as the thread creator I have no problem naming it Avril’s Artistic Strengths & Weaknesses (or something similar) although I find it a bit limiting and as Bogo pointed out people have pretty much stayed inbounds without the additional wordage. C) My intent was to have a balanced space where to say something you thought Avril could improve on you also had to say something that she did really well. Or vice versa. It was meant to diffuse polarization, not create it.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 2:18:07 GMT
Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne. A) Thanks for bringing so much attention to this thread! It’s been a bit dormant for some time. I hope this perks it right back up again. B) I think it’s unnecessary but as the thread creator I have no problem naming it Avril’s Artistic Strengths & Weaknesses (or something similar) although I find it a bit limiting and as Bogo pointed out people have pretty much stayed inbounds without the additional wordage. C) My intent was to have a balanced space where to say something you thought Avril could improve on you also had to say something that she did really well. Or vice versa. It was meant to diffuse polarization, not create it. I think I get the idea but if don’t see how creating two polarized categories is a motive to diffuse polarization. In terms of what’s considered acceptable and unacceptable criticism, I guess we’d have to wonder if a thread like this would appropriate about any random Bandaider (who doesn’t volunteer for it) and then see if that would violate the rules or not.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 2:19:35 GMT
We aren't obligated to only talk about things you personally find acceptable to talk about. We're all entitled to our opinions here, as long as no one is breaking the rules. We have explicit guidelines about what is and isn't acceptable here. What you perceive to be "attacks on her character" may not be to other people. Saying she's "lazy" might be overly rude. Saying she could improve on certain things is not. One thing we don't allow here though is for members to attack each other just because they have a difference in opinion. We aren't adjusting our guidelines or what we're allowed to discuss here because of one person's personal preferences. By all means you can be as complimentary of her as you want, but you don't have the right to enforce that onto anyone else. Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne. That’s basically what a forum is for. We DO have free reign to discuss what we want here as long as it’s not in violation of our community guidelines. To only keep conversation within Avril’s music would be extremely limiting and relatively impossible. She is a public figure with a good amount of personal information known about her that she herself has chosen to share. Her personality is a natural extension of her musical persona and it’s entirely natural it will come up in conversation. We have numerous discussions talking about the most mundane of shit like her freaking hair. To me the topics that would be off limits are things that overly personal like her sex life, speculation on her health or disorders/conditions she hasn’t discussed or confirmed to have, hatred towards her family/friends/significant others, and similar. I read back through the responses in this thread and outside of maybe a couple people calling her lazy, most of the things were entirely fair and inoffensive critiques such as improving her communication with fans, improving her musical skills, making better set lists, etc. These are all things that directly relate to her music and career so I’m not sure what your complaint is. Frankly I just find it actually a little arrogant to come onto a forum and just start to immediately criticize the people here and the way we do things when you haven’t previously immersed yourself into the community. It’s like being the new guy on a new job and immediately criticizing the company’s policies they’ve been doing for years well before you ever joined. I get that you were a member of the previous site, but as far as this site is concerned, you’re a new member and most people here weren’t part of the old site and probably don’t know you. I just don’t think it’s fair at all to basically come onto a website and start immediately criticizing stuff when we’ve been doing it this way long before you ever joined. I don’t know what else to tell you but this is how it is here and we aren’t planning on changing it.
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