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Post by oneofthoseguys on Apr 11, 2024 12:08:05 GMT
The whole Rotem is just a rumor, we will never know what happened. Yep just a rumor. We saw pictures of him holding her hand weirdly and really uncomfortable looking like he was dragging her. I fell in love with the devil exists she literally said she was in a 9 month toxic relationship where her friends literally said he needed to go which literally describes Rotem and the timeline fits. Also Rotem has a history of being abusive and a shitty person. But sure just a rumor ok Oh and dumb blonde exists and she said it’s about the same guy as Devil. but just a rumor right? No, sweetie. I was talkking about her choices on HAW tracklist.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 11, 2024 12:14:10 GMT
I agree that even if she had falling outs with the UMS co-writers I don’t think that would prevent an anniversary edition from happening. The original album songs are published already so they can’t stop her from re-releasing them. As for any bonus tracks, yeah they’d probably have to give their consent, but they’d be silly to turn down an opportunity for streams because of some feud that happened 20 years ago that honestly I don’t think she or they care about anymore. Everyone likely forgot it by now.
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Post by Anti on Apr 11, 2024 13:06:07 GMT
Majority of UMS songs were co-written with Chantal Kreviazuk. We know that the both of them had fall out after the "Contagious" credit. Raine Maida is Chantal's Husband. He co-wrote "Fall To Pieces" and produced some of the tracks on the album. Furthermore, We have Butch Walker who co-wrote "My Happy Ending" and produced some of the album tracks. After GL, Avril didn't work with him again. Maybe they burned bridges, Who knows? If UMS 20th will not come into life, maybe because of these hurdles. Butch put out a flop tell-all that basically stabbed Avril in the back. Chantal stabbed her and went for a low blow questioning her songwriting…something petty because all because she was pissed Avril didn’t include her on TBDT (songwriting is these people’s bread and butter - they thought they were hitching onto a cash cow and were scorned when Avril went to explore new creative directions). Avril saw Chantal as a sister and Butch as an older brother, even taking his unknown self to be the opening act for her Bonez Tour - and both cut her deep - so I imagine the album is associated with a lot of negative emotions/ burned bridges/ disappointments in people for Avril. Maybe things she just doesn’t want to “celebrate” and doesn’t look back fondly on. Butch and Chantal would also get a HUGE cheque in the mail based on a reissue with album/ vinyl SALES and steaming numbers because they’re songwriters. Maybe Avril doesn’t want to give them that satisfaction and payday either, and is more focused on her legacy as a whole and impact - instead of limiting herself to individually celebrating “eras”.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Apr 11, 2024 13:19:09 GMT
Majority of UMS songs were co-written with Chantal Kreviazuk. We know that the both of them had fall out after the "Contagious" credit. Raine Maida is Chantal's Husband. He co-wrote "Fall To Pieces" and produced some of the tracks on the album. Furthermore, We have Butch Walker who co-wrote "My Happy Ending" and produced some of the album tracks. After GL, Avril didn't work with him again. Maybe they burned bridges, Who knows? If UMS 20th will not come into life, maybe because of these hurdles. Butch put out a flop tell-all that basically stabbed Avril in the back. He knew that it's not Avril's fault about the TBDT drama, she called him after all this (Goodbye Lullaby).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2024 13:53:43 GMT
Majority of UMS songs were co-written with Chantal Kreviazuk. We know that the both of them had fall out after the "Contagious" credit. Raine Maida is Chantal's Husband. He co-wrote "Fall To Pieces" and produced some of the tracks on the album. Furthermore, We have Butch Walker who co-wrote "My Happy Ending" and produced some of the album tracks. After GL, Avril didn't work with him again. Maybe they burned bridges, Who knows? If UMS 20th will not come into life, maybe because of these hurdles. Butch put out a flop tell-all that basically stabbed Avril in the back. Chantal stabbed her and went for a low blow questioning her songwriting…something petty because all because she was pissed Avril didn’t include her on TBDT (songwriting is these people’s bread and butter - they thought they were hitching onto a cash cow and were scorned when Avril went to explore new creative directions). Avril saw Chantal as a sister and Butch as an older brother, even taking his unknown self to be the opening act for her Bonez Tour - and both cut her deep - so I imagine the album is associated with a lot of negative emotions/ burned bridges/ disappointments in people for Avril. Maybe things she just doesn’t want to “celebrate” and doesn’t look back fondly on. Butch and Chantal would also get a HUGE cheque in the mail based on a reissue with album/ vinyl SALES and steaming numbers because they’re songwriters. Maybe Avril doesn’t want to give them that satisfaction and payday either, and is more focused on her legacy as a whole and impact - instead of limiting herself to individually celebrating “eras”. I didnt know about this at all, Honestly I wouldnt blame her if thats the case. this is a good point i didnt even think about each album unfortunately has some sort of negative impact for her, except HAW era unless you want to count COVID postponing her comeback tour. ANd she seems kind of like me, dosesnt like dwelling on the past and likes to move forward.. I mean GL got butchered for her, TBDT maybe not but might remind her of her marriage to Deryck. LS obv, self titled mkight remind her of Chad and getting Lyme. So yeah if that is the case and wants to focus on her legacy and impact instead of eras i totally get it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 11, 2024 14:06:38 GMT
It’s not as though she has to relive the era or go around promoting it. LG basically got no promo outside of a video for Breakaway. Remastering the album and putting on some unreleased songs is not really a big deal. I’m sure every album has bad memories associated with it but that’s not really a reason not to celebrate it. You can make new memories and recontextualize it the more you celebrate it (like Taylor used to cry singing ATW then when the fans would sing along it made it a happy memory for her and now she loves singing it). She says she loves performing MHE, I think if she really hated this album she wouldn’t perform MHE as much as she does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2024 14:18:26 GMT
It’s not as though she has to relive the era or go around promoting it. LG basically got no promo outside of a video for Breakaway. Remastering the album and putting on some unreleased songs is not really a big deal. I’m sure every album has bad memories associated with it but that’s not really a reason not to celebrate it. You can make new memories and recontextualize it the more you celebrate it (like Taylor used to cry singing ATW then when the fans would sing along it made it a happy memory for her and now she loves singing it). She says she loves performing MHE, I think if she really hated this album she wouldn’t perform MHE as much as she does. Thats also a good point.... Plus Taylor legit sings full sets of folklore and evermore, 2 albums her ex boyfriend of 6 years literally helped her write and gets royalties wheneve she sings it and gets streamed. And she doesnt care cuz she loves singing them to us and seeing us sing them to her. Avril DO THE SAME!!! Love Ya Av
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Post by Anti on Apr 11, 2024 17:58:23 GMT
It’s not as though she has to relive the era or go around promoting it. LG basically got no promo outside of a video for Breakaway. Remastering the album and putting on some unreleased songs is not really a big deal. I’m sure every album has bad memories associated with it but that’s not really a reason not to celebrate it. You can make new memories and recontextualize it the more you celebrate it (like Taylor used to cry singing ATW then when the fans would sing along it made it a happy memory for her and now she loves singing it). She says she loves performing MHE, I think if she really hated this album she wouldn’t perform MHE as much as she does. My Happy Ending is one of her biggest hits. She has to perform it and it’s an invaluable moment in her career legacy. Avril moves album sales and vinyl sales, and those produce MILLIONS of dollars for all involved compared to pennies for regular streaming. I think not wanting to issue a 20th anniversary edition is tied to the fact that 90% of UMS is linked to producing significant royalties for people who turned their back on her, betrayed her, and tried to fuel an “Avril is over” moment in the tabloids. I wish Avril didn’t have such class and would speak about these things in interviews etc. but she is never one to speak poorly of others. And looking at Chantal and Butch’s careers - people fall on their own sword before she had a chance to swing anyway.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Apr 11, 2024 19:11:52 GMT
I'm honestly not really sure we will get the UMS 20 anymore. Not after these greatest hits rumors. If we do, I will be pleasantly surprised. Like, a reissue in May and a GH album in June? It kind of doesn't fit how things work with Avril. Maybe she can put Daydream on the GH album idk
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 11, 2024 20:18:33 GMT
It’s not as though she has to relive the era or go around promoting it. LG basically got no promo outside of a video for Breakaway. Remastering the album and putting on some unreleased songs is not really a big deal. I’m sure every album has bad memories associated with it but that’s not really a reason not to celebrate it. You can make new memories and recontextualize it the more you celebrate it (like Taylor used to cry singing ATW then when the fans would sing along it made it a happy memory for her and now she loves singing it). She says she loves performing MHE, I think if she really hated this album she wouldn’t perform MHE as much as she does. My Happy Ending is one of her biggest hits. She has to perform it and it’s an invaluable moment in her career legacy. Avril moves album sales and vinyl sales, and those produce MILLIONS of dollars for all involved compared to pennies for regular streaming. I think not wanting to issue a 20th anniversary edition is tied to the fact that 90% of UMS is linked to producing significant royalties for people who turned their back on her, betrayed her, and tried to fuel an “Avril is over” moment in the tabloids. I wish Avril didn’t have such class and would speak about these things in interviews etc. but she is never one to speak poorly of others. And looking at Chantal and Butch’s careers - people fall on their own sword before she had a chance to swing anyway. All of that is purely an assumption. We have no idea if there will be an anniversary edition after all, or if not, what the reason is. But speculating that it’s because of her falling outs with the collaborators seems super petty. We don’t even know how she feels about it, for all we know, she doesn’t care. There are so many other reasons not to release it that would make more sense, like because others have mentioned a GH album coming soon, or because UMS is more of a cult favorite amongst the fans and isn’t as popular overall as LG, maybe they only ever planned to do an anniversary edition for her first album only and forget the others, etc. It really just seems unlikely to me that the reason would be due to her fights with Chantal and Butch, considering Chantal spoke nicely of her recently, they probably buried the hatchet soon after the incident happened, and she went on to work with Butch for GL, by this logic we won’t get anniversary editions of TBDT or GL either, or we won’t get an anniversary edition of TBDT because of the Dr. Luke scandal. We don’t even know how much of a say Avril gets in if these are released or not, or how much creative control she gets over what goes on them, whatever label owns the original album probably gets more say than she does, and if they want to release an anniversary album they probably will no matter what she wants to do.
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Post by Jinkxx on Apr 12, 2024 12:38:02 GMT
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Post by vancitycatastrophe on Apr 12, 2024 20:18:11 GMT
Sent Baseford a message wishing the album was coming along splendidly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 12:30:07 GMT
Possible AL8 leak lyrics
"My Heart is bleeding and my chest feels tight. Every time I see that you are next to each other Oooh Oooh...." #lyricsalert #AL8 👀
Idk where they got it from but it seems legit and does seem like Avril lyrics
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 13, 2024 13:32:41 GMT
Anyone can make up lyrics like this and claim it’s real? 🤷🏻♀️ It could be AI even
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