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Post by ame · 雨 on May 8, 2024 21:11:01 GMT
I totally agree that the Shania cover was great indeed, even her early covers and recordings when she sang country sounded really good and in that cover i could see a lot of her "older voice". Of course she can do whatever she wants lol, i hope she does atually. And even if she does country i'm pretty sure it won't be that different from LG or Breakaway, which both are great so... i'm not too worried, as long as she doesn't go all cowgirl yeehah style.
But i could totally see some fans not tuning in with that choice, same way some fans got angry bc she went "all christian" with HAW lool...
And as someone who hated pop and dance music growing up and only listened to pop-rock, and now, someone who absolutely loves kpop and cute pop songs, doesn't mean i don't want her to change her genre, but if she does it, it should be done correctly.
She has to keep in mind her loyal fans (most of them) and casual listeners know her and want her in the pop-rock scene (reason why nobody paid much attention to HAW) so if she want to gain new fans, it's pretty obvious not all of your already established fandom will support that and then the new material you put out it should be excellent, and it's still risky. She should aim for a smash hit or something with that. Because if she releases a country album....imagine her fandom not buying it simply bc they don't like it, the album also flops hard and fails to make any impact on new listeners....then...what? an useless era basically, and lost money.
What i'm trying to say is that it is risky to say the least. Now....she can do whatever she wants, for sure she will sound great no matter what bc she has a beautiful voice and to me, country suits her as good as pop-rock. I think pop, or this whispered new style of singing (ariana, sabrina... im looking at you) would definitely not suit her. it would sound cringy lol
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Post by TomX on May 8, 2024 21:12:52 GMT
That’s not what I said, and I never said I hate pop rock lol just that there’s nothing wrong with her venturing into other genres of music. You can like whatever genre you want and dislike the idea of her going into another genre but if that’s what she wants to do musically, why would you want her to stay in the same genre? Maybe she’s into the idea of expanding musically, she has hinted at it over the years by doing some out of the box stuff like Wings Clipped, the jazz songs on HAW, or What Child is This, etc. She is so much more than just pop/rock. Sorry you don’t like any other genre but that doesn’t mean she can’t ever do other things just because she’s mainly known for one specific genre. Female artists are sometimes held to unfairly high standards but that’s not what anybody was talking about here. Wanting her to do something different musically is a perfectly reasonable thing to want an artist to do? Why would we want the same album over and over? We don’t even know that she’s going country or not, she’s simply performing with a country act the way Justin T did with Chris Stapleton as probably a one off performance. Heaven forbid she does something that’s not a pop rock song as though it’s the only genre of music that exists. Lol I literally said I listen to all types of music, but I am also entitled to love artists in a certain genre where I think they shine most. As much as I love pop, I wouldn't want Avril to go back to that because I prefer her doing rock-oriented music, to whichever degree that is. Her best albums other than LG (UMS, TBDT, LS) were done fastest for a reason. She loves that genre and is easily inspired by it, and it feels like home for her, and she has said it in so many interviews, whereas she's commented on wanting to do Country collabs here and there but nowhere as close as mentioning that Xmas album she's been hinting for the past 12 years lol. I loved What Child is This and Wings Clipped. EWS was my most played song of 2023, so yeah I'm not against her experimenting. Do I want a full album of those genres? EWS totally, and hope she goes into that direction. But no, I don't want a full electronic or gospel album, or even a Christmas album. Would I mind a Christmas EP or song? Not at all. Who would like the same album over and over again? Genres are so versatile and easily merged between one another there's no need to worry, she still has a lot she can experiment with in those genres.
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Post by panop on May 8, 2024 21:14:54 GMT
until recently...whenever I would search her name on youtube..the first 3 results would be her most viewed and the most recent one(complicated, girtlfriend, i'm a mess). but today the results are smile, he wasn't and bite me! pop punk! maybe this hints on the new albums sound I think that might just be your search history I just searched her name on my phone and it was complicated MV, Girlfriend MV and Sk8er Boi live in Zenith Munich 20-04-2023 it was a pc search from incognito mode though
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Post by gabbox on May 8, 2024 21:43:31 GMT
Can u imagine Avril doesn’t turn country for AL8 but they announce they have a country Joint Album as a side project and this is the 1st single off the album?
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Post by lrb22 on May 8, 2024 21:46:53 GMT
I’ll never get why fans want her to stay in a box and never leave pop/rock/punk. That might be what she’s known for but she can do so much more. I’d argue country and jazz music actually suit her voice so much more. She can’t pull off heavy rock songs, her voice doesn’t have any grit or roughness to it. I honestly think some fans just want her to stay there because it’s the only genre of music they like, not because she’s actually good at the genre. She’s fine at it, but when you listen to her sing country or jazz songs her voice is surprisingly well suited for those genres. I think it’d also help her mature lyrically at this point as well and keep her music from sounding stale. She might even widen her audience. I think her best vocal delivery is on ‘Lights Out’. I think soft rock really compliments her voice. I find when she sings the more rocky stuff she tends to go a bit screechy. I think Country would suit her very very well. The latter half of Let Go is kinda country inspired and we’ve seen her do pop country inspired tracks on AL5.
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Post by blackmage on May 8, 2024 21:48:59 GMT
Everyone loves Avril doing rock, pop, pop-rock, and punk stuff, lol. Isn't that why she's famous? How could someone enjoy her and hate what she's been doing for literally her entire career? That doesn't change the fact that she could definitely benefit from experimenting. After 20 years, the longest she went experimenting in a full album was HAW, and well... we all know how that ended.
I don't think there's pressure for her to reinvent. What I feel is actually the opposite. People basically keep requesting her to recycle.
"Where's the new LG? We want a new UMS. She needs a new GF hit", etc... and this is not only from her audience but also from her labels and the press.
The only pressure she's been under isn't to reinvent but actually to mature her lyrics and sound, and this is a demand from everybody, from fans to casual listeners to the press.
That's just my impression.
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Post by blackmage on May 8, 2024 22:07:16 GMT
To be fair, I think with Love Sux she did experiment a bit. It wasn't just a casual pop-punk album; she incorporated some few choir moments, trap influences, etc. However, that's still far from having a completely different sound. It feels more like she slightly (or tentatively) updated her old sound, which worked out well, despite some childish lyrics. It's evident how the album performed much better compared to Head Above Water in terms of streams, sales, peaks in countries, and receiving better reviews. The only setback was that it didn't produce a hit like Head Above Water (single) did (that heavily benefit from being added to big playlists and for being a comeback after 6 years). So, I think we can all agree that she's generally more accepted for what she's famous for. I don't see a lot of pressure for her to change because when she returned to her mainstream roots, she was relatively well-received.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 8, 2024 22:25:10 GMT
Everyone loves Avril doing rock, pop, pop-rock, and punk stuff, lol. Isn't that why she's famous? How could someone enjoy her and hate what she's been doing for literally her entire career? That doesn't change the fact that she could definitely benefit from experimenting. After 20 years, the longest she went experimenting in a full album was HAW, and well... we all know how that ended. I don't think there's pressure for her to reinvent. What I feel is actually the opposite. People basically keep requesting her to recycle. "Where's the new LG? We want a new UMS. She needs a new GF hit", etc... and this is not only from her audience but also from her labels and the press. The only pressure she's been under isn't to reinvent but actually to mature her lyrics and sound, and this is a demand from everybody, from fans to casual listeners to the press. That's just my impression. Where do people keep getting the idea that because I said a genre doesn’t suit her SINGING voice that it means I hate it and have hated every album she’s done? lol The actual songs themselves on her early records are great. That, however, doesn’t mean they make her actual singing voice shine the best. Just as if she started rapping or something, sure it could be a cool song, but it doesn’t mean it would suit her or show what she can really do. I don’t think most of her pop/rock/punk stuff showcases her voice that well, outside of maybe some bigger songs like MHE. Whenever she tries to do rock stuff it more often than not comes across like she’s doing her impression of what she thinks a rockstar is like, like a caricature almost. It almost seems like she’s more attracted to the idea of rock n roll and the aesthetics of it (like how she’s gotta pull out a guitar even though you can barely hear it and she’s merely strumming a few chords, it’s because she likes the optics of it more than seriously playing). Whereas she started in country, those are her real music roots long before she got into rock. It’s effortless and natural for her and she doesn’t have to try so hard to come across like anything, she can just sing and it flows so naturally.
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Post by joshlee on May 9, 2024 13:01:20 GMT
Just read that there is a greatest hits coming out on 21st June. No new songs. Here is the tracklist:
Sk8er Boi Girlfriend What The Hell Complicated Don't Tell Me I'm A Mess (feat. YUNGBLUD) He Wasn't Losing Grip My Happy Ending Bite Me Nobody's Home I'm With You When You're Gone Bois Lie (feat. mgk) Smile Love It When You Hate Me (feat. blackbear) Rock N Roll Here's To Never Growing Up Keep Holding On Head Above Water
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 9, 2024 13:13:04 GMT
Zzzzzz
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Post by blackmage on May 9, 2024 13:49:56 GMT
Everyone loves Avril doing rock, pop, pop-rock, and punk stuff, lol. Isn't that why she's famous? How could someone enjoy her and hate what she's been doing for literally her entire career? That doesn't change the fact that she could definitely benefit from experimenting. After 20 years, the longest she went experimenting in a full album was HAW, and well... we all know how that ended. I don't think there's pressure for her to reinvent. What I feel is actually the opposite. People basically keep requesting her to recycle. "Where's the new LG? We want a new UMS. She needs a new GF hit", etc... and this is not only from her audience but also from her labels and the press. The only pressure she's been under isn't to reinvent but actually to mature her lyrics and sound, and this is a demand from everybody, from fans to casual listeners to the press. That's just my impression. Where do people keep getting the idea that because I said a genre doesn’t suit her SINGING voice that it means I hate it and have hated every album she’s done? lol The actual songs themselves on her early records are great. That, however, doesn’t mean they make her actual singing voice shine the best. Just as if she started rapping or something, sure it could be a cool song, but it doesn’t mean it would suit her or show what she can really do. I don’t think most of her pop/rock/punk stuff showcases her voice that well, outside of maybe some bigger songs like MHE. Whenever she tries to do rock stuff it more often than not comes across like she’s doing her impression of what she thinks a rockstar is like, like a caricature almost. It almost seems like she’s more attracted to the idea of rock n roll and the aesthetics of it (like how she’s gotta pull out a guitar even though you can barely hear it and she’s merely strumming a few chords, it’s because she likes the optics of it more than seriously playing). Whereas she started in country, those are her real music roots long before she got into rock. It’s effortless and natural for her and she doesn’t have to try so hard to come across like anything, she can just sing and it flows so naturally. Oh, wait. I wasn't about you. In fact, I was expressing disagreement with the idea that people dislike her performing rock music. Someone said that before. I actualy agree with you, though, that her vocals truly shine in gospel, country, and jazzy songs. HAW is a clear example. Despite being a somewhat boring album, the best part of it is her vocal performance.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 9, 2024 14:38:00 GMT
Where do people keep getting the idea that because I said a genre doesn’t suit her SINGING voice that it means I hate it and have hated every album she’s done? lol The actual songs themselves on her early records are great. That, however, doesn’t mean they make her actual singing voice shine the best. Just as if she started rapping or something, sure it could be a cool song, but it doesn’t mean it would suit her or show what she can really do. I don’t think most of her pop/rock/punk stuff showcases her voice that well, outside of maybe some bigger songs like MHE. Whenever she tries to do rock stuff it more often than not comes across like she’s doing her impression of what she thinks a rockstar is like, like a caricature almost. It almost seems like she’s more attracted to the idea of rock n roll and the aesthetics of it (like how she’s gotta pull out a guitar even though you can barely hear it and she’s merely strumming a few chords, it’s because she likes the optics of it more than seriously playing). Whereas she started in country, those are her real music roots long before she got into rock. It’s effortless and natural for her and she doesn’t have to try so hard to come across like anything, she can just sing and it flows so naturally. Oh, wait. I wasn't about you. In fact, I was expressing disagreement with the idea that people dislike her performing rock music. Someone said that before. I actualy agree with you, though, that her vocals truly shine in gospel, country, and jazzy songs. HAW is a clear example. Despite being a somewhat boring album, the best part of it is her vocal performance. Ah my bad, I misunderstood lol
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Post by Anti on May 9, 2024 16:36:17 GMT
Just read that there is a greatest hits coming out on 21st June. No new songs. Here is the tracklist: Sk8er Boi Girlfriend What The Hell Complicated Don't Tell Me I'm A Mess (feat. YUNGBLUD) He Wasn't Losing Grip My Happy Ending Bite Me Nobody's Home I'm With You When You're Gone Bois Lie (feat. mgk) Smile Love It When You Hate Me (feat. blackbear) Rock N Roll Here's To Never Growing Up Keep Holding On Head Above Water Where did you read? She’s announcing it tomorrow at 10AM! I really hope this is the set list for the tour, too. Perfect.
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Post by tirasayshello on May 9, 2024 16:40:29 GMT
Just read that there is a greatest hits coming out on 21st June. No new songs. Here is the tracklist: Sk8er Boi Girlfriend What The Hell Complicated Don't Tell Me I'm A Mess (feat. YUNGBLUD) He Wasn't Losing Grip My Happy Ending Bite Me Nobody's Home I'm With You When You're Gone Bois Lie (feat. mgk) Smile Love It When You Hate Me (feat. blackbear) Rock N Roll Here's To Never Growing Up Keep Holding On Head Above Water It seems about accurate. This could also be used as a set list for the tour, but i think she may add some variants in a set list but it's Avril so who knows
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Post by Yolandi on May 9, 2024 16:42:00 GMT
Oh honestly? Greatest hit album whyyyyy. Atleast add something to it? Is this not maybe not true? How reliable is the info?
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