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Post by lucasm on May 10, 2024 20:42:33 GMT
Is there any way to tag Avril's Manager and have him understand this? Edit: Look, is Daydream
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Post by Razorqo21 on May 10, 2024 20:47:28 GMT
Is there any way to tag Avril's Manager and have him understand this? Seen this on Twitter and was really shocked how good it looks and can imagine exactly something like this. Apsolute dream xxx
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Post by blackmage on May 10, 2024 21:29:37 GMT
Yes! Thanks for saying this. RCA was very toxic with Avril. Have we forgotten this? Unfortunately IWYWH is a song that does NOT belong to Avril, but to RCA, as well as entire GL. Why 4 LS songs? Well, Travis Barker's DTA Records licenses "Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment" music to all countries, except Japan where Sony Music distributes. I got it. Avril, in addition to making GH have a "more Rock feel", put out songs that she has more control over. I donât understand why you seem to think Avril has less control over her older songs than her newer ones. She has as much control and ownership over the BMG and DTA songs as she does over RCA songs. It wouldnât have been as issue to put WYWH on the album. She clearly doesn't. Why do you think she's releasing this GH under Sony Legacy instead of her own label? Or even under DTA - the label she's signed with?
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Post by TomX on May 10, 2024 22:07:24 GMT
All of this makes me wonder if we might finally get the Deluxe version of Love Sux on vinyl this year. Being that all her expanded editions are getting a physical release, I would think it's only a matter of time before this happens.
And we could finally get a thicker, open gate vinyl format for LS, which aside from having lots of variants, was paper thin as far as the packaging goes.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 10, 2024 22:19:20 GMT
I honestly donât think at this point weâre getting an UMS anniversary edition. Not when the GH has been announced already and itâs coming next month. The 2 albums would otherwise be essentially competing with each other and also be a bit redundant since all the singles will be on GH. Maybe thatâs why there isnât an UMS anniversary, and maybe there was only ever going to be one for LG since itâs her biggest album.
Letâs be honest, even if we had gotten it, there probably wouldnât have been any new tracks on it. Even LG barely had anything new, just an alternate version of Why, new recording of Breakaway, and official release of Make Up but we had the song for years already. UMS probably would have just had the 2 known Bsides and KOHD or something. Or maybe the live acoustics from the Mall Tour.
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Post by midnightlavigneđ on May 10, 2024 22:25:48 GMT
I donât understand why you seem to think Avril has less control over her older songs than her newer ones. She has as much control and ownership over the BMG and DTA songs as she does over RCA songs. It wouldnât have been as issue to put WYWH on the album. She clearly doesn't. Why do you think she's releasing this GH under Sony Legacy instead of her own label? Or even under DTA - the label she's signed with? I remember her being a part of Sony Legacy as far back as 2006. I donât think you understand what Sony Legacy is. They do reissues and compilations. Sheâs recorded the majority of those songs and has been involved with sony since the beginning of her career. She is still involved with Sony to this day no matter what her current label is under. As far as Iâm aware of, she doesnât own her masters even from HAW and Love Sux. Both Hot and WYWH did fairly well, so thereâs absolutely no reason for someone to tell her no when it comes to including those songs in the compilation.
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Post by blackmage on May 10, 2024 22:52:13 GMT
She clearly doesn't. Why do you think she's releasing this GH under Sony Legacy instead of her own label? Or even under DTA - the label she's signed with? I remember her being a part of Sony Legacy as far back as 2006. I donât think you understand what Sony Legacy is. They do reissues and compilations. Sheâs recorded the majority of those songs and has been involved with sony since the beginning of her career. She is still involved with Sony to this day no matter what her current label is under. As far as Iâm aware of, she doesnât own her masters even from HAW and Love Sux. Both Hot and WYWH did fairly well, so thereâs absolutely no reason for someone to tell her no when it comes to including those songs in the compilation. No, she doesn't. The only songs under her own label (Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment) are HAW and LS album. Songs need to be registered, and these are the only ones that are under her own label. So, my only point is: she doesn't have full control over her old catalog.
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Post by midnightlavigneđ on May 10, 2024 23:08:51 GMT
I remember her being a part of Sony Legacy as far back as 2006. I donât think you understand what Sony Legacy is. They do reissues and compilations. Sheâs recorded the majority of those songs and has been involved with sony since the beginning of her career. She is still involved with Sony to this day no matter what her current label is under. As far as Iâm aware of, she doesnât own her masters even from HAW and Love Sux. Both Hot and WYWH did fairly well, so thereâs absolutely no reason for someone to tell her no when it comes to including those songs in the compilation. No, she doesn't. The only songs under her own label (Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment) are HAW and LS album. Songs need to be registered, and these are the only ones that are under her own label. So, my only point is: she doesn't have full control over her old catalog. Sheâs had âAvril Lavigne Music and Entertainmentâ since 2002. Itâs not a record label. Iif you do some research, you can find all this stuff out for yourself. And Iâm agreeing with you, just saying she has just as much control over HAW and LS as the rest of her catalogue. So if she was allowed to put the songs she wanted for LS and HAW, why would someone tell her she canât put other songs, is my point. And I hope it doesnât come across like Iâm angry or anything. Iâm just trying to explain why I think itâs silly to think RCA would deny her the ability to put WYWH on the compilation. Thereâs nothing to suggest she has had more or less control at DTA or when she was at BMG.
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Post by blackmage on May 10, 2024 23:16:59 GMT
No, she doesn't. The only songs under her own label (Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment) are HAW and LS album. Songs need to be registered, and these are the only ones that are under her own label. So, my only point is: she doesn't have full control over her old catalog. Sheâs had âAvril Lavigne Music and Entertainmentâ since 2002. Itâs not a record label. Iif you do some research, you can find all this stuff out for yourself. And Iâm agreeing with you, just saying she has just as much control over HAW and LS as the rest of her catalogue. So if she was allowed to put the songs she wanted for LS and HAW, why would someone tell her she canât put other songs, is my point. And I hope it doesnât come across like Iâm angry or anything. Iâm just trying to explain why I think itâs silly to think RCA would deny her the ability to put WYWH on the compilation. I was disagreeing just with the idea that she " has as much control and ownership over the BMG and DTA songs as she does over RCA songs." ALM&E exists since 2002 but it has been a record label since 2013, and HAW and LS are registered under it. I can't speak for the rest. When I mentioned WYWH I was merely questioning if the reason is that it is jointly labeled as RCA+Epic, specially cause she likes this song - what it's not true when it comes to Hot, as she hasn't never displayed any affection for it. I haven't affirmed or confirmed anything other than that doesn't have full control over her old songs.
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Post by lucasm on May 10, 2024 23:17:03 GMT
Yes! Thanks for saying this. RCA was very toxic with Avril. Have we forgotten this? Unfortunately IWYWH is a song that does NOT belong to Avril, but to RCA, as well as entire GL. Why 4 LS songs? Well, Travis Barker's DTA Records licenses "Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment" music to all countries, except Japan where Sony Music distributes. I got it. Avril, in addition to making GH have a "more Rock feel", put out songs that she has more control over. I donât understand why you seem to think Avril has less control over her older songs than her newer ones. She has as much control and ownership over the BMG and DTA songs as she does over RCA songs. It wouldnât have been as issue to put WYWH on the album. Hey midnight! I'll try to explain, We know that Avril has released albums under several record labels - LG and UMS: Arista / Sony Music - TBDT and GL: RCA / Sony Music - AL: Epic Records / Sony Music - HAW: Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment under exclusive license to BMG Rights Mgm. Yes, in addition to traditional record labels, Avril herself has her management and publishing company, which plays a role in her recent work. - LS: DTA / Elektra / Warner Music //// Avril Lavigne Music & Entertainment (in Japan) - GH: Sony Music (?) Assuming you and I, are "interested" in using songs or other parts of Avril's music in our commercial work, we would need to "obtain permission" from the appropriate record labels or "rights holders." We don't have detailed information about the contracts, so we will never know what these percentages and profit divisions are for each Avril song, for Avril. In general, Copyright ownership: The license defines who owns the copyright of the music, be it Avril Lavigne herself, her composers, or other rights holders. Licenses have N types of authorized uses, in N territories, with N remuneration, with N term, and finally, with N sublicenses to third parties (physical media, in films, TV, public performance in live shows, games, streaming or download platforms) For artists, like Avril, licenses will always ensure that they are financially rewarded and receive recognition for their creations. But they DO NOT necessarily own it. It is the "copyright holders" who control how their works are used. I think that's why Avril avoids "certain" songs. I also wanted IWYWH and Hot
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Post by mondragon on May 10, 2024 23:22:34 GMT
Forgive me if Iâm wrong here. Is the GH being released on CD?
If so could the omission of WYWH and Hot be down to cost? As in single album cds donât usually contain more than 20 songs. If she wanted to add every single sheâs released including WYWH, Hot etc⊠she would need a double cd which costs more? I think she had 20 songs to pick and had to miss some of the songs out.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 23:42:30 GMT
Forgive me if Iâm wrong here. Is the GH being released on CD? If so could the omission of WYWH and Hot be down to cost? As in single album cds donât usually contain more than 20 songs. If she wanted to add every single sheâs released including WYWH, Hot etc⊠she would need a double cd which costs more? I think she had 20 songs to pick and had to miss some of the songs out. It is on a CD and Vinyl
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Post by biggerwow on May 10, 2024 23:59:07 GMT
I've wanted the extended TBDT on a CD for the car for years but she only has it in vinyl.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 11, 2024 1:05:41 GMT
I too think it must be an issue of space more than a rights thing why some songs were omitted. Thereâs only so much room they have on a CD or vinyl, unfortunately some songs had to go I guess. She probably wanted to prioritize putting her newest songs on which is why so many LS songs are here despite not really being hits. Had she left off Bois Lie and LIWHYM she could have had room for Hot and WYWH.
Maybe they are also even planning to release another edition someday and want to save some of the second tier singles and lesser known songs for that (Mobile, FTP, Innocence, GYWYL, HK for example). Some artists have put out multiple GH, sometimes a basic one with just the biggest songs and then later a second collection with some other songs that werenât included before. Maybe they would like to leave the possibility open for another GH someday and not release every song on one collection.
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Post by blackmage on May 11, 2024 1:21:35 GMT
But if the issue is space, then why does the Japanese version include two additional songs: Alice and Hello Kitty? Also, for WYWH she could have also added it instead of He Wasn't, as it was also a bigger hit in terms of units sold, streams, views, chart performance, etc. (That's why I suspected there might be some legal issue with this song - and I'm 100% aware it's impossible to confirm, and that this theory is totally arguable). We'll probably never know, hahaha... But for Hot, as I mentioned, I don't think she likes this song enough.
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