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Post by oneofthoseguys on Sept 16, 2019 14:53:24 GMT
This is why you don't have to use the back ground pre-recorded voices. 😂 I'M DYING HER VOCALS OMG QUEEEEEEEEN
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Post by Amanda on Sept 16, 2019 14:53:59 GMT
My friend attended and was front row. Literally fans front row didn’t know the new songs. So I kinda get why the set is short + mainly classics No offense to your friend but this is what I don’t understand. Not just with Avril but people seem to do this with a lot of artists, where they get front row sats to a show and don’t even know the new songs. Why? Why would you even go or want to get front row seats if you don’t even like the artist that much? And they’re also taking a spot away from a fan who probably deserved it more. That kind of stuff annoys me. That was my point. My friend is a big fan and she sang along to the songs, but the people beside her front row only new her older singles
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Post by Amanda on Sept 16, 2019 14:55:17 GMT
A show can be great/succesful eventhough people aren't singing along. When did it become a standard that if people don't know the words, the songs shouldn't get performed? I also don’t see how not singing along is necessarily an indication people don’t know the words or don’t know the songs. Maybe they just don’t want to sing along. If they don’t even know the new singles like HAW, Devil, and DB, I mean that’s just ridiculous. Why should she only cater to casuals who don’t even know HAW and ignore her real fans who know every song? Also just because you might not know a song or know the words doesn't impede your enjoyment of hearing a new song. This logic is just dumb to me. I think about this is about the artist on stage too. for the artist to feel connected. I am not avril but if I were a singer I would rather use a lot of songs where I saw 90% sing along, than a bunch where majority doesn’t sing along or move around etc. all I am saying is I completely understand why filling the setlist with songs most people can have fun to, instead of a few fan favorites that maybe mainly makes us on the internet/worldwide fans happy
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Post by slapstick on Sept 16, 2019 15:19:23 GMT
I am not going to wait a million years for my favourites to come within 3 hours drive from me, so when I went to a nearby gig, I went to artists I sort of dig. There's also artists who I like their old stuff, but don't care about new stuff. And I do not see some obligation to be located 100m in the rear where I can't see anything just because I am not the most super-duper mega-trooper stan-fan. Sometimes I outright hate how tone-deaf fans drown out the voice of the artist. I understand singing along, but sometimes its just too much. Not saying people can’t go see an artist they only mildly like. But they shouldn’t be getting front row seats over fans that would appreciate it way more. Not getting the front row is not at all sitting miles away and not being able to see anything. There’s a major difference. By all means get decent/good seats, but there’s no need to get the best VIP seats if you don’t even like the artist that much. It’s plain selfish. I know if I went to a concert of an artist I mildly like, I would feel selfish taking the best seats when there’s certainly going to be fans there who would love to have them more than me. Don’t take stuff away from other people who would appreciate it more and who frankly deserve it more. Imagine how pissed people are when they find out they couldn’t get front row seats to their favorite artist because some self absorbed asshole took them and they don’t even like the artist that much. People can definitely get obnoxious at concerts, however in my experience it’s never been bad enough to drown out the artist. The sound system is definitely loud enough. You’d only hear it if you were standing right next to them or if the venue is really small (like a club size venue). You hear it more in videos people take than at the actual concert itself. I'm too much of a cheapskate for VIP seats, but I still don't see taking those as some kind of great injustice. I know that a lot of people love to go on concerts, love to be at the best spots, yet don't really know their "favourite" artists all that much. If someone really really really wants to hear Green Day's hits from American Idiot, Dookie, 21 st. breakdown, but has little idea about their most recent album, could you really say that such a person can't justifiably be in the "best VIP" segment? What's next, you aren't worthy of front seating if you haven't caught and stored droplets of sweat and spit from your favourite artist before? It's all just silly gatekeeping, we all perceive and feel the world around us in different ways and degrees, and I just don't see it reasonable to make some imaginary first class and second class fan classifications. And regarding drowning out - it can happen if the crowd is packed, plenty, and ready to shout at your ears from behind.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 16, 2019 15:37:00 GMT
Not saying people can’t go see an artist they only mildly like. But they shouldn’t be getting front row seats over fans that would appreciate it way more. Not getting the front row is not at all sitting miles away and not being able to see anything. There’s a major difference. By all means get decent/good seats, but there’s no need to get the best VIP seats if you don’t even like the artist that much. It’s plain selfish. I know if I went to a concert of an artist I mildly like, I would feel selfish taking the best seats when there’s certainly going to be fans there who would love to have them more than me. Don’t take stuff away from other people who would appreciate it more and who frankly deserve it more. Imagine how pissed people are when they find out they couldn’t get front row seats to their favorite artist because some self absorbed asshole took them and they don’t even like the artist that much. People can definitely get obnoxious at concerts, however in my experience it’s never been bad enough to drown out the artist. The sound system is definitely loud enough. You’d only hear it if you were standing right next to them or if the venue is really small (like a club size venue). You hear it more in videos people take than at the actual concert itself. I'm too much of a cheapskate for VIP seats, but I still don't see taking those as some kind of great injustice. I know that a lot of people love to go on concerts, love to be at the best spots, yet don't really know their "favourite" artists all that much. If someone really really really wants to hear Green Day's hits from American Idiot, Dookie, 21 st. breakdown, but has little idea about their most recent album, could you really say that such a person can't justifiably be in the "best VIP" segment? What's next, you aren't worthy of front seating if you haven't caught and stored droplets of sweat and spit from your favourite artist before? It's all just silly gatekeeping, we all perceive and feel the world around us in different ways and degrees, and I just don't see it reasonable to make some imaginary first class and second class fan classifications. And regarding drowning out - it can happen if the crowd is packed, plenty, and ready to shout at your ears from behind. It’s unfair because there’s only a limited amount of VIP/front row seats. That’s literally taking something away from someone else who probably deserves it more. As someone pointed out a few pages back, a lot of people don’t do this for the experience or love of the artist. They do it so they can brag about it to their 10 followers on social media. Meanwhile you think about some little kid going to see their favorite artist for the first time who genuinely loves them and would die to be in the front row. They can’t because this selfish idiot took the seats and they don’t even appreciate them. If there was an unlimited amount of VIP seats, that would be different. But because there’s only so many of them, yes I think casuals/locals shouldn’t be taking them over hardcore fans. That’s my opinion and you’re not going to change my mind about it.
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Post by biggerwow on Sept 16, 2019 15:40:58 GMT
There are actual YouTube channels of people who have various fan recorded videos of concerts. If you find an almost perfect unofficial live performance of your favorite artist, it was most likely filmed by someone who just enjoys the concert experience and filming it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 16, 2019 15:45:33 GMT
I also don’t see how not singing along is necessarily an indication people don’t know the words or don’t know the songs. Maybe they just don’t want to sing along. If they don’t even know the new singles like HAW, Devil, and DB, I mean that’s just ridiculous. Why should she only cater to casuals who don’t even know HAW and ignore her real fans who know every song? Also just because you might not know a song or know the words doesn't impede your enjoyment of hearing a new song. This logic is just dumb to me. I think about this is about the artist on stage too. for the artist to feel connected. I am not avril but if I were a singer I would rather use a lot of songs where I saw 90% sing along, than a bunch where majority doesn’t sing along or move around etc. all I am saying is I completely understand why filling the setlist with songs most people can have fun to, instead of a few fan favorites that maybe mainly makes us on the internet/worldwide fans happy I agree and it’s a better experience for the artist when the crowd sings along, etc. But I also think that doesn’t mean she can’t throw a bone to the fans and play a few deep cuts. Let’s be honest: even as far as the singles go, how many casuals do you think know the lesser known singles like He Wasn’t (wasn’t a single in the US), Devil, or IWIM? They probably just know the big hits like GF, MHE, Sk8er Boi, etc. And the 5-7 main hits she has are really the only ones she needs to play IMO. As far as the audience is concerned, they probably think HW is from the new album. If they don’t even know the difference because they just don’t know her catalog outside of 5 songs, she could just play new stuff/deep cuts regardless. Also, other pop acts play mostly their new album on tour no matter what kind of fans are in attendance (Ariana, Taylor).
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Post by biggerwow on Sept 16, 2019 15:47:13 GMT
But isn't that why there is a presale. So that fans can get first dibs at the seats. You just have to be vigilant of when they announce their sales.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 16, 2019 15:53:22 GMT
But isn't that why there is a presale. So that fans can get first dibs at the seats. You just have to be vigilant of when they announce their sales. Clearly that doesn’t matter if someone said there’s people in the front row who didn’t know the songs. I think pre-sales are meant more to deter bots or scalpers. And it also puts you in a position to get the best tickets possible. But there could be other people ahead of you. It basically just puts you in a line so that you know an approximate time when you’ll get to choose your tickets.
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Post by katy on Sept 16, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Is it just me who deliberately goes to the back of venues cos I can’t be arsed with excessive screaming, pushing and the 8 foot guy who will inevitably stand within an inch of my face no matter where I am? Give me a nice space at the back near the bar with a view over the crowds heads and I’m happy. Nobodies knocking my cider out of my hand then either. Bliss.
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Post by Anti on Sept 16, 2019 17:06:14 GMT
Did the set list change in Portland at all?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 16, 2019 17:12:26 GMT
Is it just me who deliberately goes to the back of venues cos I can’t be arsed with excessive screaming, pushing and the 8 foot guy who will inevitably stand within an inch of my face no matter where I am? Give me a nice space at the back near the bar with a view over the crowds heads and I’m happy. Nobodies knocking my cider out of my hand then either. Bliss. For me it’s that I don’t want to get my ears blown off.
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Post by slapstick on Sept 16, 2019 17:16:22 GMT
I'm too much of a cheapskate for VIP seats, but I still don't see taking those as some kind of great injustice. I know that a lot of people love to go on concerts, love to be at the best spots, yet don't really know their "favourite" artists all that much. If someone really really really wants to hear Green Day's hits from American Idiot, Dookie, 21 st. breakdown, but has little idea about their most recent album, could you really say that such a person can't justifiably be in the "best VIP" segment? What's next, you aren't worthy of front seating if you haven't caught and stored droplets of sweat and spit from your favourite artist before? It's all just silly gatekeeping, we all perceive and feel the world around us in different ways and degrees, and I just don't see it reasonable to make some imaginary first class and second class fan classifications. And regarding drowning out - it can happen if the crowd is packed, plenty, and ready to shout at your ears from behind. It’s unfair because there’s only a limited amount of VIP/front row seats. That’s literally taking something away from someone else who probably deserves it more. As someone pointed out a few pages back, a lot of people don’t do this for the experience or love of the artist. They do it so they can brag about it to their 10 followers on social media. Meanwhile you think about some little kid going to see their favorite artist for the first time who genuinely loves them and would die to be in the front row. They can’t because this selfish idiot took the seats and they don’t even appreciate them. If there was an unlimited amount of VIP seats, that would be different. But because there’s only so many of them, yes I think casuals/locals shouldn’t be taking them over hardcore fans. That’s my opinion and you’re not going to change my mind about it. I'm giving you a like because I understand and sort of agree with the sentiment of yours, but I still think that you're being way too harsh on casuals. Is it just me who deliberately goes to the back of venues cos I can’t be arsed with excessive screaming, pushing and the 8 foot guy who will inevitably stand within an inch of my face no matter where I am? Give me a nice space at the back near the bar with a view over the crowds heads and I’m happy. Nobodies knocking my cider out of my hand then either. Bliss. If there is some kind of elevated arenic positioning at the back, you could have a bit of a point, although then you don't get to catch spit and piss from the stage artists, and have luke warm drinks spilled down your back. Either way, thanks for the laugh over your rather British description.
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Post by snuggle4 on Sept 16, 2019 20:06:43 GMT
I'm going to the show Wednesday to photograph it. What's up with the lighting? Is it really that dark? Someone who went please let me know. Thanks!
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Post by Jinkxx on Sept 16, 2019 20:26:22 GMT
I just think it’s kinda ridiculous that people don’t know the new songs.. come on... why front row?! Totally agree with BogoGog24 ! I can imagine some people don’t like singing but there are always parts in a song you would kinda sing along or say along! If you’re a real fan you would do that or make a gesture when you really feel the song. And it’s fun to hear a song you haven’t heard (if you’re not a hardcore fan) and you can look it up afterwards. (But please don’t bother front row) As an artist I think it’s cool to also show the casual audience your new songs and style since you’re so proud of those..
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