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Post by TamyXD on Oct 15, 2017 17:04:24 GMT
Yes, but "without making an album, I made one." What she actually meant "JK f**kers I didn't, hahahahahaha" I totally forgot that she said that.
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Post by stevend44 on Oct 15, 2017 17:18:34 GMT
I have been a long time reader of the board here. Always come here to check on Avril. Never felt like I needed to post but honestly this whole discussion has become so pathetic. I like all of you can't wait to hear something new but after all this time of her talking about an album and even before that - when LA REID said she'd have music out soon, etc, I'm not counting on anything anymore. I love how Avril doesn't take herself that seriously most of the time but I feel like it's been stupid how she has hinted and hinted but that's how it goes. She obviously made announcements because she knows everyone is waiting. I hope for her that this album is her best most mature yet as if it isn't this will be her official fade out era. I've always had hopes that she could deliver a quality album AND have some commercial success. As for waiting I just wanted to say that if you're a fan then you'll wait, but we all gotta go about our lives and let what will happen happen. Just my thoughts after reading this thread since the beginning. She's never gonna be communicative so we should just wait until we see the album is out. Otherwise all you can do is hope.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 15, 2017 17:31:31 GMT
Somehow I think if Avril wrote another update it would be just as vague as the last one. I mean you can wish and hope all you want that puppies will rain down from the sky and lollipops will grow on trees, it doesn't mean it will happen. Avril could be a lot better with communicating and post updates that are more than just the 1,000th picture of a studio mic. But is she going to change that anytime soon? Probably not. That's why I'm saying you could either continue to complain about it when it's unlikely to change, or just accept this is how it is and take whatever updates she gives us. We are lucky she even said anything at all, at least she said she is working hard to make it the best it can be and that it will be out "before we know it," which doesn't confirm a concrete date at all, but at least she isn't saying "I don't know how long it's gonna take" or "it won't be out for another few years." She is trying to give us hope it will be out within a reasonable length of time. Perhaps that is all she can really tell us for now. I think Alex was right in what he said before - even when she does post an update, people complain about how it is written or what it says. Some fans will just never be happy. So even if she posted an update right now, unless it said "My album is coming out for free tomorrow and it has every song I've ever recorded on it" I think people would still bitch. FYI I used to be in that camp that wanted a real update from her and that wished she would post better on social media, but I can't be bothered to care anymore. There's other artists releasing music this year that I can enjoy in the meantime, plus other things I think about in my daily life like work and school, Avril's album is such a tiny matter in all of it, it's not even worth getting angry over it anymore. It's like the old saying: "Give me the courage to change the things I can and let go of the things I can't." None of us can make Avril suddenly be better at communicating or force her to give us info. Let it go.
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Post by Avengium on Oct 15, 2017 17:50:03 GMT
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Post by fih on Oct 15, 2017 18:01:45 GMT
I personally genuinely believe that Avril herself thought the album could be released this year, but then something unexpected happened (maybe she got sick again or had a writing blockade or whatever) that caused the album to get delayed more and more. Why didn't she say anything about that earlier then? Maybe she still believed for a long time that she could still finish the album this year. Though that doesn't explain why she didn't at least say something like "I don't know if I'll still be able to release AL6 this year or if it'll have to be 2018". Anyway, it seems very clear now that AL6 won't be released this year, for whatever reason. Stuff like that happens all the time. When Green Day worked on their seventh studio album, the recordings were stolen, forcing them to re-recording all those songs. Which they didn't do, though; instead they decided to start from scratch, the result being "American Idiot", released four years after their last studio album. When My Chemical Romance worked on their fourth studio album the band members had some personal issues. In the end, they weren't happy with the result, so they went back to the studio and started completely from scratch. The album was eventually released four years after their third studio album. Patrick Stump wrote a while ago that Fall Out Boy's next record would be delayed to January 2018 (if I remember correctly) because they weren't happy with their current material for that album either. PVRIS had to delay their second album from August 4th to August 25th due to last-minute production tweaks. That was announced only 3 weeks before the original release date. It's obviously not uncommon in the music industry that albums get delayed. And I hate to say it, but there are always these kind of people that seem to think famous people only exist so they can be dragged down. And even worse, they don't just seem to think they can get away with it, they actually do get away with it. Avril could release a new song tomorrow, and some people would bitch about how they don't like the new song and say stuff like "you said we were gonna love the song, you're a liar!" Sadly, I wouldn't know that there is anything that can be done about that. All I can think of is that you just have to ignore these kind of people. So that's what Avril should probably do. Ignore these people / "fans" who only make her feel bad and concentrate on her true fans and those people who treat her with respect. But back to the delay: Like I said, Avril is not the only one to delay her album. However, all these other artists seem to be able to communicate that properly with their fans. In Avril's case, however, we, the fans, are the ones who have to figure out this kind of stuff. And then Avril / her team seem to think "oh, they've already figured it out themselves, guess we don't have to make an official statement anymore." But that's just unprofessional imo. Yes, we already know the album won't be released in 2017 and an official statement won't change that. But an official statement would just be the proper and professional thing to do. Besides, not everyone reads Bandaids. There are people out there (casual fans or nostalgia fans, for example) who don't know the album got delayed. They probably check Avril's Twitter or Facebook every now and then, see nothing new about the album, and then just go back to their other favourite artists and forget about Avril. On top of that all, this is the third fucking time in a row something like this is happening to Avril and to us. Crazy delays, no communication... It happened with RCA, Epic, and now it's happening with BMG. That honestly makes me wonder if it's Avril who's the problem after all. I really love Avril, I've loved her for ten years and I will always support her no matter what. That's why I'm really trying to understand the current situation and try to see it from her point of view as well. I feel sorry for her, because she has to put up with so many negative comments and disappointment currently (I'm not excluding myself there). But I also can't help starting to have doubts in her and her professionality. I just hope once the album is released she'll explain what happened... Sorry for this essay, I just had to get it off my mind.I really can’t believe when people ask “what difference would make a statement” really But you write perfectly the difference it would make and all other things I’m feeling now, that’s really exactly my point
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Post by jant017 on Oct 15, 2017 18:16:55 GMT
Am I the only one who sees the irony of fans getting mad at her because she said an album would be released this year but it didn’t happen, so they don’t feel they can trust her word, but still want another update from her? Honestly what difference would it make if she said something or not? We all already know the album is coming out next year. It doesn’t change the fact we have to still wait. As Alex said, I think she would get a lot of angry comments for it and I can see why she wouldn’t want to deal with that. Maybe she doesn’t think she will be able to release it next year, maybe she needs to wait for official confirmation from BMG because they need to plan out their next quarter of releases and they need to figure out where she will fit in. There’s loads of things that go on BTS that we don’t know about and could be the reason she isn’t saying anything. No matter how much you want her to say anything, she probably won’t. So continuing to whine about it really doesn’t accomplish anything. We’re not “making excuses,” we’re just trying to be understanding as to why maybe she hasn’t said anything and not act like she’s the worst person in the whole world because she hasn’t given us some pointless update. As Alex said, even if she said something actually concrete, we’re still back at square one. I don’t get exactly what it would accomplish. The only part I agree with is that the fans deserve some honesty and because she did say this year and we haven’t heard anything, that she should maybe confirm it’s delayed and inform us of what’s going on, but she already more or less said that in her last update and I’m not going to hold my breath for something she’s not likely to deliver. We don’t know what she has planned up her sleeve. She could be getting the first single ready and is maybe planning to announce something this Christmas, maybe release a buzz single with an announcement about the album for next year, maybe a release date. I’d wait till the end of the year to see if she says anything before writing her off. But the way I look at it is you’re free to feel what you feel and be mad but you can either continue to complain about the same thing, or you can just face facts she’s not going to deliver what you want and just deal with it. You've clearly missunderstood the point. The reason for distrusting her is BECAUSE of lack of updates/false announcements. If she had havr communicated delay with us, then there wouldnt be this huge question mark over her credibility. I'm not even sayig the release date announcement needs to come from her. Stop playing devils advocate when the truth of the mater is pretty irrefutable
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Post by Sarah93 on Oct 15, 2017 18:22:17 GMT
You've clearly missunderstood the point. The reason for distrusting her is BECAUSE of lack of updates/false announcements. If she had havr communicated delay with us, then there wouldnt be this huge question mark over her credibility. I'm not even sayig the release date announcement needs to come from her. Stop playing devils advocate when the truth of the mater is pretty unrefutable. That's the point, she never said there's been a delay for the album nor her team or label has... so why do you guys keep on thinking there's been a delay? Maybe her deadline is in November, or BMG is still figuring out when to schedule her with all the artists they support, we really don't know that... I agree with BogoGog24 I've got many things going on in my life, AL6 is the last of my problems, so when it comes it comes for me
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 18:43:15 GMT
All we need is a solid release date!! That would clear up SO much confusion. And the minute she realised it wasnt going to make it out this year (I think she's known for a while) the decent thing would have been to communicate that with us! Look, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm done with her and this is the final straw, because that would be lying. I'll take whatever music she puts out no matter how long it takes. But it definitely makes me question everything she says now and definitely will be taking all further updates with a grain of salt. This!! "Sorry guys, but the album is delayed until next year" would cut it. Communicate, show fans who have patiently waited through delays for 3 albums now a bit of respect. It's really not a lot to ask and I don't know why excuses are being made for her for the third album running. If it's "just how she is" she needs to buck her ideas up prontoWe call that "Cowboy on up" in Texas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 18:57:49 GMT
Somehow I think if Avril wrote another update it would be just as vague as the last one. I mean you can wish and hope all you want that puppies will rain down from the sky and lollipops will grow on trees, it doesn't mean it will happen. Avril could be a lot better with communicating and post updates that are more than just the 1,000th picture of a studio mic. But is she going to change that anytime soon? Probably not. That's why I'm saying you could either continue to complain about it when it's unlikely to change, or just accept this is how it is and take whatever updates she gives us. We are lucky she even said anything at all, at least she said she is working hard to make it the best it can be and that it will be out "before we know it," which doesn't confirm a concrete date at all, but at least she isn't saying "I don't know how long it's gonna take" or "it won't be out for another few years." She is trying to give us hope it will be out within a reasonable length of time. Perhaps that is all she can really tell us for now. I think Alex was right in what he said before - even when she does post an update, people complain about how it is written or what it says. Some fans will just never be happy. So even if she posted an update right now, unless it said "My album is coming out for free tomorrow and it has every song I've ever recorded on it" I think people would still bitch. FYI I used to be in that camp that wanted a real update from her and that wished she would post better on social media, but I can't be bothered to care anymore. There's other artists releasing music this year that I can enjoy in the meantime, plus other things I think about in my daily life like work and school, Avril's album is such a tiny matter in all of it, it's not even worth getting angry over it anymore. It's like the old saying: "Give me the courage to change the things I can and let go of the things I can't." None of us can make Avril suddenly be better at communicating or force her to give us info. Let it go. I am so proud.
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Post by Becky on Oct 15, 2017 19:15:22 GMT
Loads of artists aren't that communicative with fans; it's their choice. Muse suddenly announced a single coming the following week, then nothing except the odd upload about music or what they're up to, now they've said they're back in the studio. Nothing about a new album or a release or anything. Nor is it a problem. Franz Ferdinand are heavily hinting at an album but nothing's been announced yet. And I know Avril's has been announced and it's nearly 10 months since that announcement and we still don't have any concrete info, but some artists just don't share their writing/recording process much and I don't see the problem. She's told us she's working on it and that she's sorry for the wait. If she loses fans or if she suffers from less attention, then fool her. We know her team isn't brilliant, and there's also the chance that she's too busy to think about giving an upload. If she's busy and working hard, the whole process might be going very quick for her and she might not think there's a need to keep updating us.
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Post by TamyXD on Oct 15, 2017 20:18:07 GMT
I just remembered something:
Last year, some time in July My Chemical Romance uploaded a video on YouTube teasing something. No one knew what it would be; all that you could hear in that video were the first few piano notes of one of their songs, "Welcome To The Black Parade", and there was also a date, September 23. To me it was pretty obvious that they were teasing some kind of 10th anniversary celebration of their third studio album "The Black Parade". But some fans seemed to have crazy expectations, thinking there would be a reunion or even a tour. The band or their team obviously got wind of that. Only one or two days after that video they wrote on their social media that they were just planning to release a 10th anniversary edition of "The Black Parade". No tour, no reunion.
I think that was a very professional thing to do. They noticed that their fans were expecting something completely different from what they had in mind. Instead of letting their fans wait till September to find out what was going to happen, they decided to let them know earlier, thus keeping fans from being excited for two months just to end up being disappointed.
I think we can be pretty certain that Avril knows at least some of the stuff that's going on in her fanbase. And honestly, how could she not expect us to think the album would be released in summer 2017 when she and her team themselves kept saying "soon"? But she / her team decided to stay quiet instead of clearing things up and letting us know what was going on. I think the fact that for a long time no one knew if we could expect a summer 2017 release or a fall 2017 release or whatever made the wait really difficult for lots of her fans, eventually causing them to lose patience. If they had made some kind of statement, we fans could've known much earlier what to expect, or rather what not to expect. It would have made the wait easier.
But that's in the past now. Right now, we can be pretty certain the album won't be released this year. But that's just it. "Pretty certain". We still don't know what to expect. Okay, maybe BMG don't know what to expect either, but I think it would be better for them to just say that then. Yes, Avril would get loads of bullshit for that, but she already does anyway, no matter what she does now (which is very sad, as I've already wrote in my previous post, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about that). I could even imagine that negativity getting worse if she and her team keep playing this kind of hide-and-seek game.
Also, I'd like to mention that saying "Avril has never been communicative, so don't expect her to change that now" seems like an excuse to me. Communication between Avril and her fans has been a problem for a long time, I don't believe she and her team are not aware of that. Yet they don't seem to want to change anything. Why? Seriously, this is something that can so easily be changed. I mean, if so many other artists manage decent communication with their fans it can't be that difficult, especially for someone who's been in the music industry for such a long time? And if Avril doesn't want to communicate so much because she fears all the bullshit she's gonna get, I understand that. But, like I said, in the current case it's kinda different, because she already gets so much bullshit anyway and I don't think that's gonna get better if she or her team don't make some decent, official announcement anytime soon.
Btw, it may not seem like it, but I'm actually one of those fans who have been waiting completely patiently for AL6 for a long time. I had a phase in March 2017 or so when I was kinda impatient, but for many months now I've been totally patient. I don't expect Avril to release new music tomorrow. I don't go to Bandaids every day, thinking "today there'll be a huge announcement". That's why I hardly care when the album will be released. I got loads of other music to listen to anyway. I want Avril to take the time she needs with this album, but I also want her to finally learn to be straight with us. I don't think that's too much to ask...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 15, 2017 20:57:04 GMT
The only reason I say that is because in the end we don't have control over what she does or doesn't do. Our best hope is that someone from her team reads what we say here, and it honestly does seem like someone keeps tabs here, and passes the info along to her. I'm not saying she can't do better with communicating, but we can't make her do anything, outside of voice comments here and hope she takes notice. I don't see what good it really does to complain about something you can't control or can't change. Never said it's not a valid concern, but expecting she will suddenly change her ways is only setting yourself up to continue being disappointed. Just saying.
Also, you guys act like she hasn't updated us at all, when her note to us earlier basically was the update. Read it again. No, it's not saying anything concrete or anything we didn't already know before. But she clarified she is working hard in the studio and that the album will be here soon. What more info is she really supposed to give at this point? The only way it could have been worded any differently, the way that you guys seem to want her to say it is something like: "Sorry guys, the album is taking a lot longer than I thought it would. We may end up pushing the release to next year but things are up in the air right now." That's not what she directly said, but it gave the same sentiment. She just worded it in her own way.
In my own experiences with other artist's albums being delayed, they gave even less updates than Avril is doing right now. Dalton worked on his album for more than a year and kept giving timeframes for when he thought it would be out, they came and went, and it was only when fans asked him during meet & greets at his shows that we really found out why it kept being delayed. Danielle Bradbery was working on her second album for literally years and every time fans asked her on Twitter what was happening, she kept saying "soon, I promise." Only when it was finally done did she actually say why it had taken so long. At least Avril gave us that reassuring message that she is working hard, trying to make it the best it can be, and that she acknowledges how long we've been waiting. She posts lots of pics from the studio, even if it's usually the same thing over and over. That's a lot more than some artists do.
I also just keep things in perspective - she's happy and healthy, she seems to have her passion back for music again. I'm glad she is working really hard and wants to make this album great. Her passion the last couple eras clearly wasn't there. She was lazy as hell with the recording of the last album. This time she seems like she's really intent on making a great record. She's enjoying her life again. She's not sick anymore. We are lucky we're getting an album so soon after she was so incredibly sick. Back when we heard she was bedridden, nobody was thinking about if she'd ever make music again, we just wanted her to get better. Honestly, her situation could be so much worse. Let's be happy and thankful she's well enough to even make an album for us.
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Post by Anna on Oct 15, 2017 21:24:51 GMT
Also, I'd like to mention that saying "Avril has never been communicative, so don't expect her to change that now" seems like an excuse to me. Communication between Avril and her fans has been a problem for a long time, I don't believe she and her team are not aware of that. Yet they don't seem to want to change anything. Why? Seriously, this is something that can so easily be changed. I mean, if so many other artists manage decent communication with their fans it can't be that difficult, especially for someone who's been in the music industry for such a long time? And if Avril doesn't want to communicate so much because she fears all the bullshit she's gonna get, I understand that. But, like I said, in the current case it's kinda different, because she already gets so much bullshit anyway and I don't think that's gonna get better if she or her team don't make some decent, official announcement anytime soon. Actually, I think one of the problems isn't the lack of communication itself, because people gonna tell you she's posting photos and videos on Instagram, that's her way of communicating, Taylor Swift isn't posting anything, Avril is... blablah and they are right. But there's a difference between posting a photo of working in the studio (which seems to be recording vocals for like 3 or 4 months now ) and posting 5 videos of parting at house with friends. So on the one hand she doesn't want to be more open about the recording process, on the other she posts weird videos of herself. By weird I mean 4-6 videos of having a pool party or an early Halloween fun. It's all nice to see her having fun, I don't mind that but the amount of that kind of content comparing to the real info on the album makes lots of fans thinking her priorities are parties, and work comes second. Speaking of the communication, that last note she posted about how she'd like to make this album a perfect one. It was her way of saying it's gonna take longer than many of us think. But why she doesn't say it directly? I mean, some people would get mad but I bet more would understand. Instead, even here, many thought that words "it will be here before you know it" mean this fall. We not gonna change her, we not gonna change her attitude but she hired that social media company, they went for that throwbacks and what was it for? We are always gonna be here for her and it's not gonna change even if AL6 comes out in 2019, 2020 on in 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 21:31:32 GMT
Bogo: So what was the real reason for Dalton and Danielle’s delay?
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Post by sammy2010 on Oct 15, 2017 21:34:31 GMT
I for one, would love to understand the process of making an album. So many rock bands are posting about being in the studio. Fun video snips of the studio or pics. Never really saying dates, not promising soon. Comments like "another one done". I think, maybe those are things we'd like to see?
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