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Post by Franvigno on Dec 24, 2017 3:13:31 GMT
There is a rumor: DON'T STOP will be out JANUARY 1
Will we get that next week?
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Post by Hellelujah on Dec 24, 2017 3:17:30 GMT
Does anybody know when the cut is made? most of the songs leaked in the internet are demos so they were scrapped somewhere in the process. Avril said she has 20+ songs before mixing, so I think all the songs are gonna have a final version. I'm wondering if there's a possibility that we get all those 20+ songs in different versions of the album.
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Post by Hellelujah on Dec 24, 2017 3:20:50 GMT
There is a rumor: DON'T STOP will be out JANUARY 1 Will we get that next week? If you check the internet site it also says that Warrior is gonna be out on January 1, 2017 hahaha. And january 1 is monday. Also I don't think she will use a Electrohouse (¡?) song as the lead single. She talked about what the lead single means for her, DON'T STOP sounds something about love or dance
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Post by Sarah93 on Dec 24, 2017 7:56:01 GMT
I agree with what BogoGog24 says, but I'm more critical on another point: the above discussion would be valid if you were an artist eager to experiment more genres with freedom and desire, studying different musical genres and being helped by the best producers. I love music and every genre: I like, for example, the electronic music of Alanis Morissette and Bjork. But I'm of the opinion that only a great artist can experiment freely and use the most diverse genres with real inspiration. Nobody excludes at the moment that Avril has produced a very great pieces so inspired by house or electronic genre. But I have a doubt: she's a pop singer who has already resorted to the number one with very conventional genres and pre-established patterns, with poorly inspired lyrics and badly produced music (this, from what we know, due to certain pressures coming from record companies). This leads me to fear (in the absence of confirmation, sure) that this has happened again and a compromise has led to produce a hit totally lacking in quality, degrading to her image and below her real capable. I'm absolutely convinced that Avril can produce a great piece of success with any genre, provided that are not imposed commercial and merchant criteria. I would like a single with electronic sound like Push, 17, 4 Real or YASNY, or totally electronic pieces like the songs on the record 'Flawless an Entanglement' by Alanis, for example. But I wouldn't tolerete a house song that explains how 'nice' it's to go dancing in the disco, get drunk and dance in a lewd way with the boys (as is customary among pop stars). I realize that it's a brutal and steriotyped schematization, but I honestly don't think are differnt the electronic songs of the pop stars who want to sell and the record companies need. I think that for a long time Avril, both for the lack of motivation derived from compromises and for the people with whom she is forced to work, is no longer able to converge the need to write good quality singles that have very big success: I'm not underestimating her, I'm saying that she has imposed in this years the perspective for which writing a hit means writing a simple and anonymous song on very adolescent topics (I'm well aware of the huge chasm that separates the way we fans understand and interpret certain Avril's songs and how they are received by the public, especially the mature grown with her first two record and has criticized her already since Girlfriend). This applies to the songs of every musical genre, whether it be dance or country or rock. I don't want to be misunderstood: I like her last singles and I really like the last record. I am open to experimentations and innovations. But at the same time I realize the real potential of her and the artistic maturity she needs to reach: poetic texts, more complex music, better voice, deep themes (what Avril said she has did in that famous Billboard article). This doesn't mean being boring or heavy, you can do it with lightness. This is possible even with a single, in my opinion, and I could bring myriads of good examples. I'm absolutely convinced that Avrils knows it too, but she hasn't been in the condition of being able to do so in the last few years. If Avril releases electronic music like the songs you will see below I would be very happy (I hate to compare the artists, I think everyone is unique and doesn't have to imitate the other, but the examples are useful to understand each other better). Unfortunately based on the experiences and the logic of the music market I don't have much confidence. I hope I'm wrong. I understand your point of view and concern. If I recall correctly tho, Avril said in her FB live that she's got more poetic and more mature, which is why I've got high hopes for this album! as for the genre, I really don't know what it's going to be like and I'd like to let myself surprise I also remember her saying she's got 20+ songs and I hope they all make the cut for a double album or just a long album like Blink 182 or Eminem that have more than the usual 12/13 songs
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Post by Erik on Dec 24, 2017 9:28:42 GMT
Still waiting...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 24, 2017 12:58:09 GMT
I like electronic music... Ace of Base, t.A.T.u., Kylie, and Britney are favorites of mine, but that’s not why I like Avril. The reason I like the idea of a country/gospel/jazz record is because it would be a very serious and artistic genre for Avril to try... I actually do not listen to those genres at all, but I think for Avril it would be a nice throwback to her county fair days as well as something new for her and fresh from all the soulless pop that overruns the radio. Electronic Avril could be good... I like What the Hell and Rock ‘n Roll, but I feel like that genre wouldn’t have been chosen for an artistic reason, but to make money. So it would be soulless like everything else out there. Sure it may be catchy, but I like heart in my music. I haven't made up my mind on anything since we haven’t heard any of the songs yet, and I am going to keep an open mind when listening to the album, but my expectations are set pretty low. I see what you’re saying but just because a song is electronic doesn’t mean that it can’t be artistic or mature. Wings Clipped is kind of like that, or some of the songs from Taylor’s new album like Don’t Blame Me, Delicate, Getaway Car, King of My Heart, Call It What You Want, etc.
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Post by katy on Dec 24, 2017 18:29:55 GMT
Regardless of the genre, the original AL6 sounded very organic and true to what she wanted (without meaning to make an album I’ve made one or whatever she said). Nothing good has ever come from her changing her albums around halfway through the process. It sounded like it had a nice theme and it had just come together naturally, now it’s starting to seem like it’ll be all over the place (again).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 18:41:29 GMT
A song isn't good or bad based on its genre. A song is good based on its melody, lyrics, meaning, etc. Not all jazz is boring. Not all country or gospel has to be about God, etc. Just because a song is rock doesn't automatically make it a good song and just because a song is electronic doesn't automatically mean it's bad. It amazes me how close-minded some of you are about genres of music. I personally love listening to all types of music and I would be so bored if I only listened to one or two genres of music. You may be surprised at what you like if you try expanding your horizons a bit. For example, a lot of people commented how amazing Avril's voice sounded on songs like Wings Clipped and Baby It's Cold Outside, even though both those songs are outside of what she'd normally do. I took a jazz course in college and while some of the music didn't resonate with me and it was indeed boring, this isn't true for the genre as a whole. There's many fantastic jazz songs out there, just as there's many great pop, rock, country, gospel, etc. songs. As I said, the genre doesn't automatically make a song good or bad. There's good and bad songs in every genre. A lot of people maybe are not hopeful for anything electronic from Avril because of Hello Kitty - that's because Hello Kitty is not a great example of an electronic song. As I think someone else mentioned, with a different producer handling it, it could have probably been better. And of course if she wrote different lyrics or about a different subject. I don't dislike Hello Kitty and I know many fans do love it, but objectively speaking, let's be honest and say it's probably not the finest example of an electronic song. That doesn't mean that if she worked with real EDM producers who know the genre and wrote something mature, that the song couldn't turn out to be great. It goes back to my point that the genre doesn't necessarily define the quality of a song - it's the song's melody, structure, lyrics, meaning, etc. that make it good or bad. And how it's produced can make or break the song as well. Many songs on GL for example could have gone from just good to great if they were produced better. Many fans have commented that 17 could have been fantastic if it was produced better. So if there's a certain genre she wants to try and works with people who actually know what they're doing, it could turn out really well. As opposed to working with someone who isn't experienced in the genre and it turns out crappy. It'd be like asking Max Martin to produce a rock song. Now would you say that because the song is rock it's automatically good? No. Max Martin's specialty is in pop and his songs generally turn out very good because he knows the genre. Anything else produced by him would probably not be as good. I don't think Avril returning to her "old sound" is honestly going to be a successful move for her at all. I'm not sure how popular pop/rock or pop/punk music is in 2017/2018. I know bands like 5 Seconds of Summer are actually pretty popular, but it also helps they are a group of cute boys. The pop rock and pop punk stuff is Avril's signature sound and always has been, but I get the sense she has wanted to start moving away from that since Goodbye Lullaby. I think she enjoys making a rock song here and there, like Bad Girl, something she can rock out to in concert, but her last couple of albums have been full of ballads. If she wants to make a few upbeat rock songs to balance out an album or to have for live shows, that's fine. But I think by now that sound has been played out. She has done 3 albums of that sound. It worked for her when she was young, but now I think that she is a grown adult who has gone through a lot of stuff and is no longer one of the fresh-faced artists in pop, she should try to reinvent herself into an adult contemporary artist. Artists like Adele and Ed Sheeran are very very successful with this. Adults enjoy listening to this. Most of her fans now are grown. I've seen lots of comments from fans who said they enjoyed her early albums when they were young but kind of grew out of them. I myself don't find myself listening to her early music much anymore, though I still love it. But I've just grown tired of it by now because I've heard it so many times. I just want something new and fresh from her. Something unexpected. She will never evolve as an artist if she keeps making the same kind of music she did when she was a teenager. And on top it, I disagree it would be successful at all. I think she'd flop so fast she wouldn't even have a chance if she released music like that. It's 2017/2018, not 2004. In any case, I think it's silly to automatically write off a song before even hearing anything based on who is working on it. Just because the people she's working with are of a certain genre doesn't necessarily mean the song is that genre. It doesn't mean that song will be bad because it could be a certain genre. Look at how many people loved Wings Clipped, even if they didn't so much like the electronic part. All the collaborations she did like Listen, Wings Clipped, and Baby It's Cold Outside I think could be an indication of what direction she's going for with this album. Because why would she have agreed to be on those songs if she didn't like them or like their genres? Listen is pop/rock but kind of a modern take on it, Wings Clipped is electronic with some pop, rock, and Latin influences, and BICO is jazz. Maybe all these genres wouldn't work together on the same album, but maybe she just wants to experiment and see what she feels would work best. My only hope is that the original version of AL6 hasn't been scrapped too much. I expect some songs may get switched out for others, or songs have probably been recorded many times to get the sound right. But I hope she hasn't abandoned the idea of making a raw and personal album about her illness. You've said it right! I do believe that artists should not be stuck on the past and keep moving forward with their music. To be honest, if Avril is going to make something similar to Let Go or Under My Skin I wouldn't enjoy it as much. I really believe that she's gonna be successful if the new record is going to be different than any other. Also I want to mention another thing, I heavily agree that you cannot define a song by its genre. Just because a song is Electronic or Dupstep doesn't mean it's "Bad". I've heard a lot of songs in those genres that were good. I may listen to a lot of Pop Punk but I do enjoy music from other genres as well. This actually helps you discover new music and won't have to listen to the same thing everyday. Right now I'm actually digging into Synthwave/80s Retro because of how many amazing artists I've discovered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
I can't find the post where someone said "old sound." Where is it?
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Post by rulezz on Dec 25, 2017 10:32:29 GMT
Is it only me who waiting for something today?
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Post by kyris89 on Dec 25, 2017 12:29:48 GMT
Is it only me who waiting for something today? Secretly and Under My Skin, I'm also waiting for The Best Damn Thing to happen today! If not, I will Let Go the AL6 idea peacefully for now, until she announces something next year
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 25, 2017 13:21:55 GMT
Even if she hasn’t said anything related to the album I’m surprised she didn’t post anything yet for Christmas.
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Post by TomX on Dec 25, 2017 14:53:46 GMT
Even if she hasn’t said anything related to the album I’m surprised she didn’t post anything yet for Christmas. She knows what’s coming if she posts something today. Billions of complaints from fans asking for the album. So, she prefers playing the fool and getting as far away from social media as possible. Such a lack of respect towards fans, but whatever. She is what she is.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 25, 2017 15:55:34 GMT
Even if she hasn’t said anything related to the album I’m surprised she didn’t post anything yet for Christmas. She knows what’s coming if she posts something today. Billions of complaints from fans asking for the album. So, she prefers playing the fool and getting as far away from social media as possible. Such a lack of respect towards fans, but whatever. She is what she is. Well to play devils advocate, respect goes both ways. Some of the fans haven’t exactly been respectful towards her either. She should have been more communicative with us about the status of the album, but she hasn’t been exactly disrespectful to us. Being disrespectful would have been like if she said “screw my fans” or whatever. On the other hand, some fans on social media have been very rude like that.
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Post by TomX on Dec 25, 2017 16:33:47 GMT
She knows what’s coming if she posts something today. Billions of complaints from fans asking for the album. So, she prefers playing the fool and getting as far away from social media as possible. Such a lack of respect towards fans, but whatever. She is what she is. Well to play devils advocate, respect goes both ways. Some of the fans haven’t exactly been respectful towards her either. She should have been more communicative with us about the status of the album, but she hasn’t been exactly disrespectful to us. Being disrespectful would have been like if she said “screw my fans” or whatever. On the other hand, some fans on social media have been very rude like that. Being disrespectful isn’t necessarily saying or doing something, it is also ignoring things. If someone ignores you , they’re being disrespectful and unpolite. Fans have been asking all year long for an update on the album and she’s been quiet about it all the time AFTER promising new music on Christmas 2016. How does she want people to be? Happy? For crying out loud, I’m so done with people kissing her arse all the time and feeling sorry for her when she’s been pretty shitty with us all year long. She and Gabe have mocked the fans in several posts by saying “I’m working bitches, I’m in the studio, LIKE working”, how do you take that? Or how do you take the fact that we created a great TBDT anniversary video for her and she wasn’t even kind enough to say THANKS? She magically appeared a couple of months ago to raise money for her campaign on that livestream, because she wasn’t getting even close to the goal. What about afterwards? She promised a second livestream, cancelled and erased all evidence of that. And let’s not begin with the “she doesn’t have time” because she’s been more on vacay this year than actually working. Let’s take the facts as they are. She’s horrible communicating with fans and that leads to coming off as disrespectful. She’s an artist, this IS part of her job. Lets open our eyes and stop justifying the unjustifiable.
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