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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 22:06:01 GMT
I think if he said something important enough he did it with knowledge and permission from Avril. We don't care if he or the serious people she works with say it.. If nobody knows anything, we complain.. If someone says something is not true and we complain.. If others are kind enough to tell us things we blame her for not saying it directly.. Guys, relax!
A BMG artist, Kylie Minogue, has launched a single in recent days and the release of her album was scheduled for April. With the single revealed the disc cover and the track list. If BMG did the same thing with Avril it's likely that the album should be finished first. Usually two/three months are required for programming after the end of production. If all goes well for Avril, I think the single will be released in April/May. That's a year after the start of the official production of her record, which isn't so much. In these months we must remain calm cause it's certain that time will pass before launch. Maybe everything will be faster, who knows.
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Post by Becky on Jan 19, 2018 22:10:47 GMT
So then what could she have said? She might have thought it would be soon then changed her mind on something and thought that would be soon. I don't know what she could have done right at this point haha. My opinion is just that I'm a fan, so I'll wait and follow. I don't see this as her messing us around, so I'm not angry. The worse she and her team are with communicating, potentially the worse her album will do - fool her, it's her career she may be worsening. I'd rather she took her time if she's doing what she wants, is happy after going through a lot (or even if she hadn't), and is a good album. If she isn't, well that's life. I'm happy to give her the benefit of the doubt because I don't think she's shown any signs of deliberately messing us around. No, they're not haha. But they still have other projects they're involved with, they still drop hints, they still have an online fanbase who speculate when things and what will happen. I mean I guess all Muse do is release an album and go on tour, and their fans take apart everything they say. All I'm saying, is that I follow loads of bands and artists who use social media less than Avril and their fans aren't angry. Just because she's in the pop industry we should hold her to different expectations? Surely that's only if you want her to chart. Sure it's happening again and again, there must be a good reason. And if it's Avril, then I guess we've gotta get used to it. *shrugs* I said in multiple posts what she could have said to make it "acceptable" and to not get the fans excited all for nothing. I even posted what she should have done in the first place for fans to not even expect something from her posts. She maybe didn't want to mess around with the fans, but some fans ended up feeling that way because of her indecision and impulsiveness, what could have avoided by her communicating the right way. I agree, it her life and she can do whatever she likes and we can only point on what could've been done better. Other artists/bands don't post a lot on social media and their fans don't get angry because they know that they won't get anything from their posts unless it's an official statement. They don't post about soons and "it's just for you guys" and that's exactly why their fans don't get disappointed. I said various times, it's not about her lack of communication it's about her communicating the wrong way. But again and again fans are just pushing the "some of you are never satisfied" and "she's not the only silent artist" narrative. *shrugs* I know, my point is simply no matter what, every fan won't be satisfied. She won't change. This isn't the first time this has happened. I simply just think she didn't mean for this to happen. It did, nothing we can do. I'm not trying to push any narrative, I've said many times that it's frustrating and she doesn't communicate well. I just don't think it's worth getting angry over. It's also a little tiring reading posts of people getting their own hopes up sometimes from picking apart what she's saying and then getting angry/upset. I just don't like negativity, I want to come here to wind down after work, not read angry comments when she's barely even said anything to be angry over. I don't often read this thread. But, as I've also said, people should express their opinion, just like I'm expressing mine. It's just over and over, and I don't think she's done anything to warrant some shitty comments she's been getting on social media. But hey, it is what it is. I think as well, the problem on this site is that I feel some people think someone having a different opinion and having a discussion is saying your opinion is wrong. I'm not saying people can't be angry and complain, I just don't see the point. It's nice when this is a positive place. Going round and round isn't doing anything. Ah well, I'll keep waiting patiently.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 19, 2018 23:02:12 GMT
I agree with Becky. I literally see the exact same people complaining and making negative posts multiple times per day every single day in this thread. It just gets old after awhile. Like each day she doesnβt reveal any news, complaints. We. Get. It. Itβs beating a dead horse.
Nice of Ferlazzo to drop that news, but Iβm taking it with a grain of salt. Of course I hope she really will wrap this month but she said that last November and clearly something got delayed that prevented that from happening. Iβll only believe the album is truly finished when thereβs a release date.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Jan 19, 2018 23:10:53 GMT
If BMG felt the album and the singles were finished they would have put it out regardless of whether Avril wanted to record or not. Obviously they haven't felt like she recorded the right stuff yet. They want her to be successful to make them more money and if that means staying in the studio longer then so be it. I doubt Avril could come out and say hey my record label doesn't think my album is ready yet while she's recording. And she really shouldn't do that again after she blasted RCA for holding back GL and they barely promoted Smile. She really bit the hand that fed her there. She has always had trouble writing singles (at least according to her record companies). This isn't some new thing from her last two or three albums but all of her albums. That's why she was sent to LA and put with the matrix for Let Go, that's why MHE and DTM were the last songs to be recorded for UMS because she gave her record company a record with no singles, that's why Dr. Luke was brought in for TBDT, why GL took so long to come out because she didn't want to compromise until summer 2010 when she went to Sweden to work with Max Martin, and why she went back to write with Martin Johnson and J Kash for her 5th album. This has happened since the beginning! It's all about business. Avril wants to write songs that mean something to her and her record company wants to make money. Sometimes the compromises work ala LG, UMS, TBDT, and sometimes they don't ala GL and her self titled album. There is so much business stuff going on behind the scenes that she probably can't or shouldn't talk about. She needs to focus of coming up with the best possible record she can, which means tuning out what the fans want. Her first 3 records didn't turn out as good as they did because she was concerned about her fans. She did what she wanted to do and was able to make compromises with the record company that fit her mould.
Social media has made everyone greedy. Back in the day you could only get news about an album from interviews the artist did in the studio. I honestly think she's telling us all she can at the moment. And she's obviously compromising somewhat trying to please fans by posting pics but not wanting to say she's still working because she knows people will freak out. So she posts a pic with no real caption. People complain when she doesn't post and then complain when she does. She honestly can't win. And making 5 trends on twitter is not going to make her give out information she doesn't have. You want her to stop saying soon, so she stopped as far as I can tell. When was the last time she said that in a social media post? The only reason she said that was for her fans. If she really didn't give a shit about us she wouldn't have bothered. She probably believed it at the time too. Anyway plenty of other acts have had their albums postponed and they couldn't say why. Avril is not the only one and I don't think she's totally to blame here. And you can't really get mad at her record companies for wanting her to stay in the studio until they have singles to work with. If her albums fails that means no tour, no chance to see Avril on tv, nothing.
And another thing I'm almost positive that the reason she didn't record Warrior until November is because she wanted to work with a certain producer who was not available until thin. Avril is not the only artist making an album and she's not the biggest one shopping for producers so she had to wait. I honestly take that as a good sign because it means that she wants this record to be perfect enough to wait until the right producer was available.
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Post by Hellelujah on Jan 19, 2018 23:24:21 GMT
If BMG felt the album and the singles were finished they would have put it out regardless of whether Avril wanted to record or not. Obviously they haven't felt like she recorded the right stuff yet. They want her to be successful to make them more money and if that means staying in the studio longer then so be it. I doubt Avril could come out and say hey my record label doesn't think my album is ready yet while she's recording. And she really shouldn't do that again after she blasted RCA for holding back GL and they barely promoted Smile. She really bit the hand that fed her there. She has always had trouble writing singles (at least according to her record companies). This isn't some new thing from her last two or three albums but all of her albums. That's why she was sent to LA and put with the matrix for Let Go, that's why MHE and DTM were the last songs to be recorded for UMS because she gave her record company a record with no singles, that's why Dr. Luke was brought in for TBDT, why GL took so long to come out because she didn't want to compromise until summer 2010 when she went to Sweden to work with Max Martin, and why she went back to write with Martin Johnson and J Kash for her 5th album. This has happened since the beginning! It's all about business. Avril wants to write songs that mean something to her and her record company wants to make money. Sometimes the compromises work ala LG, UMS, TBDT, and sometimes they don't ala GL and her self titled album. There is so much business stuff going on behind the scenes that she probably can't or shouldn't talk about. She needs to focus of coming up with the best possible record she can, which means tuning out what the fans want. Her first 3 records didn't turn out as good as they did because she was concerned about her fans. She did what she wanted to do and was able to make compromises with the record company that fit her mould. Social media has made everyone greedy. Back in the day you could only get news about an album from interviews the artist did in the studio. I honestly think she's telling us all she can at the moment. And she's obviously compromising somewhat trying to please fans by posting pics but not wanting to say she's still working because she knows people will freak out. So she posts a pic with no real caption. People complain when she doesn't post and then complain when she does. She honestly can't win. And making 5 trends on twitter is not going to make her give out information she doesn't have. You want her to stop saying soon, so she stopped as far as I can tell. When was the last time she said that in a social media post? The only reason she said that was for her fans. If she really didn't give a shit about us she wouldn't have bothered. She probably believed it at the time too. Anyway plenty of other acts have had their albums postponed and they couldn't say why. Avril is not the only one and I don't think she's totally to blame here. And you can't really get mad at her record companies for wanting her to stay in the studio until they have singles to work with. If her albums fails that means no tour, no chance to see Avril on tv, nothing. And another thing I'm almost positive that the reason she didn't record Warrior until November is because she wanted to work with a certain producer who was not available until thin. Avril is not the only artist making an album and she's not the biggest one shopping for producers so she had to wait. I honestly take that as a good sign because it means that she wants this record to be perfect enough to wait until the right producer was available. Agree, but isn't Rotem a single producer? I think she didn't wrap because the producer she had for the last tracks couldn't make it, then Rotem was working in a track on december and now they're still working on those tracks probably. So I think it got delayed because this producer of warrior did not make it. I feel also it was a big producer because he was busy before november and she wanted to record Warrior with him especially. IMO
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Jan 19, 2018 23:26:10 GMT
We can talk about it and that's what we are doing. That's what this board is here for. Just because she won't change, it doesn't mean that the problem isn't here. Some people are definitely pushing a narrative, especially some frequent posters in this thread are and it's getting pretty annoying. We can't just talk about avocados here because that's the only thing Avril is interested in right now. Some discussion will have a negative feeling to them, life is not always love and laughter. Avril gets a fair share of blind fans loving whatever she does pretty frequently here, we need some serious discussion now and then to balance things out. Some would agree that it's pretty tiring to read posts about how nothing we post will change anything. Nothing on a forum will change anything, but that's not the purpose of a discussion board.
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Jan 19, 2018 23:30:32 GMT
Avril being a d-list artist nowadays is exactly the reason why the producers she wanted to work with didn't bother to work with her until later on. At this point we don't even know if she actually worked with the producer(s) or it Rotem is the main producer.
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Post by vancityblackstar on Jan 20, 2018 0:45:22 GMT
Things are happening behind the scenes. I despise people on here when they act spoiled rotten because she doesnt or CANNOT or WOULD NOT say anything. If she cant say anythin its because she wouldnt want to say anything if it wasnt certain. And you cannot blame her for living out her life as such and you certainly cannot blame her for saying nothing when ITS HER career and is under no obligation to anyone here to fulfill your pitiless desires.
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Post by pllforlife on Jan 20, 2018 0:47:24 GMT
Freesolo is RCA and Sony? Wtf
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 20, 2018 0:49:41 GMT
Some people are definitely pushing a narrative, especially some frequent posters in this thread are and it's getting pretty annoying. There's frequent posters in this thread who keep consistently complaining and rehashing the same shit over and over again and that is equally annoying. I don't see anyone "pushing a narrative." Some people think Avril is doing this stuff on purpose and that we're suffering some kind of horrible treatment because we don't have a stupid album, some people are trying to be more understanding of her situation and also realize that it's not the biggest or most important issue in the world. It's not "pushing a narrative," it's called being a bit more mature and understanding that shit happens that doesn't necessarily mean it was done by anyone on purpose. I think most of us here agree the communication could be better, no one is saying Avril is perfect or that the situation has been handled perfectly. But some of you are acting pretty immature and childish about the whole thing and making these exaggerated claims that she's doing it on purpose, that she's a liar, and all this stuff. Frankly, I see more complaining, bitching, and moaning here than I see any real discussion. It is literally the same complaints every single damn day when we don't have any news. Like I said, it's become like beating a dead horse at this point. That is not discussion. How many times can you really complain about the same thing over and over again? Yes it's a forum and it's meant for discussion and expression of opinion. That doesn't mean that people don't eventually get tired of seeing the same shit over and over, especially when complaining about it does literally nothing to change anything. Obviously Avril had plans of some kind and she thought she could reasonably release the album in 2017. Like Karen pointed out, maybe she was overly optimistic because she was just excited to be back and making music again. She probably never anticipated people taking every word she said and putting it down on record and expecting she would stick to it or else. She was excited about making music again and she wanted to share that with us. Obviously things happened, her albums always suffer from delays, it's just that with social media it becomes more public when things are obviously delayed. LG took her a whole year to record due to spending 6 more months writing out in LA, she had to rework some songs of UMS because they didn't like some of them, TBDT needed Dr. Luke for hits, and we know about GL and AL. What likely happens is that she writes a draft of what she wants the album to be and shows it to her label. They review it and if they don't think there's anything hit worthy on it, they send her back into the studio with people they believe can create those hits. That's probably why she had to wait so long to wait for the producer she/they wanted. Whatever it is that's causing the delays, it's for good reason. It's not because she's a liar or she wants to make her fans wait or anything else. And hopefully it will be worth the wait. Avril is not the only artist who has had albums experience delays. And when delays are going on, a lot of artists won't necessarily talk much about the details of what's going on behind the scenes. She's already said in the past that she's trying to make it the best it can be, that should be enough of an explanation. People keep saying if only she'd say a timeframe of when we can expect a single, or how much longer we have to wait, or some kind of message from her about why it's taking so long or whatever - I guarantee if she said anything of the kind, fans would just be pissed about still having to wait. If she said "The single will be out in June," there would definitely be fans who would complain they can't wait that long. And I don't really know why people are so hellbent on her saying a timeframe when she has literally given timeframes in the past and they have all been pushed back, so what difference would it make if she said another timeframe? You guys call her a liar, yet you keep wanting information from her, even though every time she says something, it ends up getting pushed back. I am just confused at this point as to what people even want from her. Wanting her to give an update seems honestly pretty pointless to me until the album is truly finished and has a set release date. If we all know we can't really take her at her word, then what is the point in her saying anything if it keeps changing? What is the point in wanting her to say when we can expect a single if we aren't prepared to have to possibly wait several months? I just don't get at all what it is people are wanting or expecting of her anymore. And the thing is, you can complain about how the situation is being handled and say she should do this and that, but at the end of the day, it's not going to happen. It becomes pretty fruitless to keep complaining about something you have zero control over and can't change at all. I mean, I just don't see what that even accomplishes except probably making a semi-annoying situation ten times worse. As I've said before, it's just an album. Some people act like their whole life depends on her releasing this album and are acting super dramatic about it. Just chill.
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Post by vancityblackstar on Jan 20, 2018 1:21:32 GMT
She does what she wants when she feels like it.
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Post by Jack on Jan 20, 2018 1:42:19 GMT
I don't really know if Avril has really "lied" to us or not, but lack of proper communication and "broken promises" are present and she hasn't done much to avoid and/or make up for them. The only great thing she's done was that FB live chat, and then she proceeded to delete it like it had never happened, too bad for her that we have good memory and it was saved and upload by some people on YT/FB/etc. Since then, a few "in studio" pictures and that's it. And now she doesn't even want to say a word about it and Ferlazzo is the one who says they (supposedly) wrapping up this month.
I'm just hoping for a great AL6 album and that she follows the artistic path I'd like her to follow. Not really go the full-on pop route, leave the MF princess behind for good and let the music be as organic as possible. I know she will likely never release "rock" music again, but I'd be more than content with a updated, more mature version of GL (that was already a great step in the right direction after TBDT). She said AL6 would be her most personal album, and I really hope she does fulfil that promise and doesn't ruin it with the "hitmaker" songs AGAIN.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 20, 2018 1:53:07 GMT
She could still make "hitmaker" songs that are in line with the vision of the album, kind of like how WYWH and ILY at least fit more in line what GL was intended to be, more than WTH and Smile.
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Post by vancityblackstar on Jan 20, 2018 2:52:03 GMT
She could still make "hitmaker" songs that are in line with the vision of the album, kind of like how WYWH and ILY at least fit more in line what GL was intended to be, more than WTH and Smile. Those songs are for her and make her for feel good. She could do a lot. But in no way is she obligated to make up for anything
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