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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 5, 2017 17:16:51 GMT
And how do you know that that was Avril's decision? She didn't produce the song, Martin Johnson did. We have no way of knowing who wanted the song to sound like that. so why blame production when you said we have no way of knowing who wanted the track to sound like it does. Why blame Avril when we don't know if it was her who wanted the song to have fake instruments? That's my point. You're saying it was Avril's fault for why the song doesn't have real instruments, even though there's literally no evidence to base that on. Martin is the producer, which means he decides what instruments to use and how the song should sound. I'm sure Avril had some input but it's more likely that the fault lies with whoever produced the song rather than Avril. In the end we'll never know who's decision it was, but I would think if Avril had input in the production of the song that she would have been listed as a co-producer. On any songs that she has produced or co-produced she has always used real instruments, such as Fly. I don't see why 17 would have been any different. |
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Post by Sarah93 on Mar 5, 2017 17:17:00 GMT
And how do you know that that was Avril's decision? She didn't produce the song, Martin Johnson did. We have no way of knowing who wanted the song to sound like that. so why blame production when you said we have no way of knowing who wanted the track to sound like it does. so why blame Avril then?  |
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Post by fuckincrazyrocknroll on Mar 5, 2017 17:36:14 GMT
I actually really loved this album. I know for a lot of people it is their least favorite but I really love it. I like the diversity like how each song is it's own thing. She goes from a heavier song with Bad Girl then a J Pop influenced Hello Kitty. I love the drastic difcerences in the songs  |
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Post by 332 on Mar 5, 2017 18:39:34 GMT
so why blame production when you said we have no way of knowing who wanted the track to sound like it does. Why blame Avril when we don't know if it was her who wanted the song to have fake instruments? That's my point. You're saying it was Avril's fault for why the song doesn't have real instruments, even though there's literally no evidence to base that on. Martin is the producer, which means he decides what instruments to use and how the song should sound. I'm sure Avril had some input but it's more likely that the fault lies with whoever produced the song rather than Avril. In the end we'll never know who's decision it was, but I would think if Avril had input in the production of the song that she would have been listed as a co-producer. On any songs that she has produced or co-produced she has always used real instruments, such as Fly. I don't see why 17 would have been any different. you can't serious think Avril had no input. production starts at the mix phase. Avril/Label hired Martin to do the production phase Martin didn't hire Avril/label who did the recording phase? production has nothing to do with the recording phase. |
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Post by 332 on Mar 5, 2017 18:48:30 GMT
so why blame production when you said we have no way of knowing who wanted the track to sound like it does. You're saying it was Avril's fault for why the song doesn't have real instruments, even though there's literally no evidence to base that on there is no evidence it was martin/producer fault either. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:06:58 GMT
You're saying it was Avril's fault for why the song doesn't have real instruments, even though there's literally no evidence to base that on there is no evidence it was martin/producer fault either. Friend. A producer literally MAKES the song in a program on a computer in the studio. He chooses the instruments and he arranges. There's no way it WASN'T his fault since he was the one who put it together. I can tell you for a fact it wasn't Avril's choice because Martin Johnson is Epic Record's go-to producer most likely chosen by LA Reid to make the "hit" songs. I have plenty of reason to believe that Avril had little input when it came to his songs. The songs produced by her Chad and David have none of the same issues the songs produced by Martin Johnson and J Kash have. |
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Post by 332 on Mar 5, 2017 21:50:52 GMT
there is no evidence it was martin/producer fault either. Friend. A producer literally MAKES the song in a program on a computer in the studio. He chooses the instruments and he arranges. There's no way it WASN'T his fault since he was the one who put it together. no a producer does not choose the instruments the band/artist makes the song and then they do the recording stage with a console on to a Reel To Reel Tape or to a hard drive or use a Audio Interface to a Computer. the next phase with band/artist is to tell the producer there plan for the song arrangement and sound this how its DONE. then a person does the mixing phase it can be a different person from the recording phase or the same person that does the recording phase. final phase which is the mastering phase which may or may not have the same person that did mixing phase. this how it WORKS |
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Post by Sarah93 on Mar 6, 2017 7:17:07 GMT
Friend. A producer literally MAKES the song in a program on a computer in the studio. He chooses the instruments and he arranges. There's no way it WASN'T his fault since he was the one who put it together. no a producer does not choose the instruments the band/artist makes the song and then they do the recording stage with a console on to a Reel To Reel Tape or to a hard drive or use a Audio Interface to a Computer. the next phase with band/artist is to tell the producer there plan for the song arrangement and sound this how its DONE. then a person does the mixing phase it can be a different person from the recording phase or the same person that does the recording phase. final phase which is the mastering phase which may or may not have the same person that did mixing phase. this how it WORKS I'm sorry dude, but you're soooo wrong! The producer is the one who chooses who and how to record the track (he/she gets to pick the musicians the song will be recorded with), the producer's job is to give life and flavour to the song - aka the sound of the song. He works for the sound of the song (in which key to play, which instruments to use), but not the arrangement dude (the arrangements are written by the composer - aka the artist who writes the song, not the producer!). Just stop blaming Avril or the production team, we don't know what happened bts! |
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Post by 332 on Mar 7, 2017 5:20:58 GMT
there is no evidence it was martin/producer fault either. Friend. A producer literally MAKES the song in a program on a computer in the studio. He chooses the instruments and he arranges. There's no way it WASN'T his fault since he was the one who put it together. I can tell you for a fact it wasn't Avril's choice because Martin Johnson is Epic Record's go-to producer most likely chosen by LA Reid to make the "hit" songs. I have plenty of reason to believe that Avril had little input when it came to his songs. The songs produced by her Chad and David have none of the same issues the songs produced by Martin Johnson and J Kash have. no evidence that she had little input |
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Post by pllforlife on Mar 7, 2017 5:24:01 GMT
17 should have been a single.
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Post by pllforlife on Mar 7, 2017 5:27:37 GMT
Friend. A producer literally MAKES the song in a program on a computer in the studio. He chooses the instruments and he arranges. There's no way it WASN'T his fault since he was the one who put it together. I can tell you for a fact it wasn't Avril's choice because Martin Johnson is Epic Record's go-to producer most likely chosen by LA Reid to make the "hit" songs. I have plenty of reason to believe that Avril had little input when it came to his songs. The songs produced by her Chad and David have none of the same issues the songs produced by Martin Johnson and J Kash have. no evidence that she had little input Why do you need to turn everything into a fight? |
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Post by 332 on Mar 7, 2017 5:41:43 GMT
no evidence that she had little input Why do you need to turn everything into a fight? because there is no evidence and the times i did the producing, mixing phase and mastering phase the band/artist gave lots of input and someones way too much and since i was working for the band/artist listened to their input and tried to make a compromise with band/artist its not a fight. |
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Post by pllforlife on Mar 7, 2017 5:58:10 GMT
Why do you need to turn everything into a fight? because there is no evidence and the times i did the producing, mixing phase and mastering phase the band/artist gave lots of input and someones way too much and since i was working for the band/artist listened to their input and tried to make a compromise with band/artist its not a fight. It's always a fight. Attacking mods, admins, and restating your opinions as facts but not offering any evidence to prove otherwise. Every post you make is to start a fight. |
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Post by pllforlife on Mar 7, 2017 17:35:23 GMT
I sort of hope Warrior starts out as a ballad and increases to a climatic ending that is strong and powerful. Like I want the song to be a story about her journey and for that journey to reflect in her voice and music.
Then for the video it ends with her standing in a beautiful white flowing dress which changes from black at the beginning as she stands on a cliff with all of this chaos behind her.
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Post by Sarah93 on Mar 7, 2017 17:38:26 GMT
I sort of hope Warrior starts out as a ballad and increases to a climatic ending that is strong and powerful. Like I want the song to be a story about her journey and for that journey to reflect in her voice and music. Then for the video it ends with her standing in a beautiful white flowing dress which changes from black at the beginning as she stands on a cliff with all of this chaos behind her. Wow, great imagination |
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