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Post by Cookie Monster on Oct 8, 2015 9:01:27 GMT
Fans constantly complain that Avril needs to go back to LG, UMS, or even TBDT era.
Some even say that she became too "mainstream".
Well, if people's idea of being "mainstream" is losing her 'rock' thing, becoming more 'pop' (but still, since when Avril was not pop? She wasn't certainly bubblegum, but she was teen-pop from the start, and even if UMS is a rock album, it's still basically pop-inspired.) - they are wrong. Avril is sadly becoming less and less mainstream than ever.
If a certain artist or a band is relevant and is the part of the mainstream music, they have their reasons. It's either "the artist/band is currently a thing", or their singles are "great in quality."
I think her singles since 4th era lacks the latter one - "quality" - compared to the current mainstream music. If you have a friend or a nephew, brother, sister, anyone who's not a fan of Avril, but is a mainstream music listener - make them listen to her singles of the each album. I'm sure they will only like the singles from her first three albums. I think such things like "bratty image", "immature image" (that certain fans think are the main reason why Avril is currently not exactly slaying the mainstream music world) don't really matter.
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Post by Cookie Monster on Oct 8, 2015 9:16:36 GMT
GYWYL would have failed as a single. It's certainly a great song to the fans, but it's really not much of a song, actually quite unoriginal, for the ears of the mainstream listeners. Entirely disagree. While it's true that it's not revolutionary for music out there these days, it would do much better than her current releases.
I agree with your post, yeah it would do much better than her current releases.
But TBH I think LMG should have been released as a lead single. Though it's not a fan-favorite song, it still has everything the fans wanted from her - "mature" "catchiness" "quality" "ballad" - and it really has the competitiveness of a hit song (but sadly didn't get much notice, it's actually likely that people didn't care to listen to her after HTNGU was released)
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 8, 2015 10:49:24 GMT
Honestly I don't think it'd have mattered much what she released as a single- they all would have flopped no matter what because Epic didn't push them enough. The most successful single of the AL era was HTNGU, not exactly a groundbreaking, unique or mature song by any means, so I don't think people care about any of that. And even though it was the most successful, it only managed to just squeeze into the Top 20 and sell 1 million copies. And that was with very few promo gigs. All the other singles received way less promo and pretty much flopped, especially RNR. She can release the most unique, mature single ever but it doesn't have a chance of doing well without promo and support from the label.
I don't think LMG would have been a good choice as lead single, especially since it is a duet. It would have looked super gimmicky for her to release a song with her then-fiancé that was a big story in the media at the time as the lead single. Sure, it might have helped sales a bit because there was so much interest in their relationship then, but I don't think the public would have gained any respect for her for pulling a gimmick like that. Probably quite the opposite. And even at that, people might have been more interested to check it out but not necessarily buy it. I've always found LMG to be a bit generic sounding and like some Nickelback Bside song or something. Production is gorgeous, but the actual songwriting is just bland and basic. I think a lot of people would have checked it out and said "Meh" and moved on without ever purchasing it. I've always thought Hello Heartache would have been the perfect choice as lead single, or maybe even 17.
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Post by Kaiye on Oct 8, 2015 10:51:38 GMT
Honestly I don't think it'd have mattered much what she released as a single- they all would have flopped no matter what because Epic didn't push them enough. The most successful single of the AL era was HTNGU, not exactly a groundbreaking, unique or mature song by any means, so I don't think people care about any of that. And even though it was the most successful, it only managed to just squeeze into the Top 20 and sell 1 million copies. And that was with very few promo gigs. All the other singles received way less promo and pretty much flopped, especially RNR. She can release the most unique, mature single ever but it doesn't have a chance of doing well without promo and support from the label. I don't think LMG would have been a good choice as lead single, especially since it is a duet. It would have looked super gimmicky for her to release a song with her then-fiancé that was a big story in the media at the time as the lead single. Sure, it might have helped sales a bit because there was so much interest in their relationship then, but I don't think the public would have gained any respect for her for pulling a gimmick like that. Probably quite the opposite. And even at that, people might have been more interested to check it out but not necessarily buy it. I've always found LMG to be a bit generic sounding and like some Nickelback Bside song or something. Production is gorgeous, but the actual songwriting is just bland and basic. I think a lot of people would have checked it out and said "Meh" and moved on without ever purchasing it. I've always thought Hello Heartache would have been the perfect choice as lead single, or maybe even 17. True. 17 with better promotion and a good Music Video could do wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:50:48 GMT
Bitchin' Summer and/or Sippin' On Sunshine would have made good singles too. I mean as generic as they are, both songs are catchy and very summery and with a really great video they coulda been smashes.
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Post by katy on Oct 9, 2015 10:17:08 GMT
I think LMG is a terrible song. Andrea summed it up - nickelback bside. 17 would've been spot on as lead single for AL, can't believe they overlooked it for HTNGU.
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Post by goodbye on Oct 9, 2015 13:51:13 GMT
Mobile and My World are for me a boring long song. Both sound the same
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Post by marliz. on Oct 9, 2015 20:43:19 GMT
the GL era is her best era.
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Post by sam on Oct 10, 2015 11:12:07 GMT
Bitchin' Summer and/or Sippin' On Sunshine would have made good singles too. I mean as generic as they are, both songs are catchy and very summery and with a really great video they coulda been smashes. Agree- I think HH would of been a good single too and all 3 of those had potential to compete with the other pop songs.
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Post by eismann on Oct 10, 2015 11:50:37 GMT
I think LMG is a terrible song. Andrea summed it up - nickelback bside. 17 would've been spot on as lead single for AL, can't believe they overlooked it for HTNGU. What I like about this song is that it has an Intro (kind of) and an Outro. But this song would have been better without Chad and without that plot twist in the lyrics.
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Post by Light02 on Oct 10, 2015 12:35:32 GMT
I really like the lyrics to I Always Get What I Want. But maybe that's just because I love dominant people.
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Post by StrongSweet on Oct 10, 2015 12:36:40 GMT
The GL Avril was the most natural and authentic Avril
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Post by Cookie Monster on Oct 10, 2015 14:05:32 GMT
Like all those comments on Avril's videos or news, or even some posts in this forum, fans unconsciously believe that Avril is a pushover when she's clearly a very opinionated person. They can't tell her what to do, what they think is the "right choice", "right musical direction" she should take - she don't care, she'll never listen. Why would she? She's the "maker" and we are the "buyers". She's the artist, we are not.
Of course, therefore we won't ever be satisfied.
We can only pray.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 10, 2015 14:20:54 GMT
Like all those comments on Avril's videos or news, or even some posts in this forum, fans unconsciously believe that Avril is a pushover when she's clearly a very opinionated person. They can't tell her what to do, what they think is the "right choice", "right musical direction" she should take - she don't care, she'll never listen. Why would she? She's the "maker" and we are the "buyers". She's the artist, we are not.
Of course, therefore we won't ever be satisfied.
We can only pray. It's funny that you bring this up because literally just yesterday Ariana Grande said the exact same thing about her next single: I feel like a lot of what Ariana says here could apply to Avril and her fans. A lot of people want Avril to do a certain kind of music or dress a certain way or act a certain way, and of course that's natural to have your own preferences about what you want artists to do. But it's like Ariana says, it's kind of selfish, you want them to be a certain way for YOU, rather than seeing the person for themselves and focusing on who THEY are, and not who you want them to be. There's definitely always going to be fans who won't be happy with whatever she does. Even if the majority of fans would be happy if Avril did mature music with a mature image, there'd be still be a few fans that would say it's boring or something. That's just how it is. But if Avril can satisfy the majority of fans, that would be nice. Of course I wouldn't want Avril to do anything just to please fans if it wasn't what she herself wanted to do. First and foremost Avril should always do what she feels, even if fans don't like it. She should please herself first. Even though a good portion of fans hated HK, there were also some who liked it, so no matter what Avril does, there will still be fans who like it or don't like it. There will never be a situation where 100% of fans are satisfied, so that's why Avril should just do what she wants to do and hope that most people like it. At this point in her career I don't think she cares, I think she just does what she wants to do.
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Post by Kaiye on Oct 10, 2015 14:33:04 GMT
I really like the lyrics to I Always Get What I Want. But maybe that's just because I love dominant people. Same. I equally love ICDB and DTM as well. My teenage anthems.
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