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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 5, 2020 15:13:19 GMT
Hmm yeah that’s true, although some people probably wouldn’t be able to go to the new date. A lot of people just need or want their money back at this point. Buying tickets sucks and it’s a huge pain and very stressful process, but I think they’d be better off just canceling, giving fans their refund, and organizing a new tour for 2021. I think they’ll keep the bigger venues providing they can find dates that work for them since the demand was there. Hopefully if they do that there won’t suddenly be a drop in ticket sales and she’s playing to half empty venues.
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Post by adamf83 on Apr 5, 2020 15:26:29 GMT
Hmm yeah that’s true, although some people probably wouldn’t be able to go to the new date. A lot of people just need or want their money back at this point. Buying tickets sucks and it’s a huge pain and very stressful process, but I think they’d be better off just canceling, giving fans their refund, and organizing a new tour for 2021. I think they’ll keep the bigger venues providing they can find dates that work for them since the demand was there. Hopefully if they do that there won’t suddenly be a drop in ticket sales and she’s playing to half empty venues. I think it’s probably going to depend how much longer this lockdown situation last in Europe. If it’s going to be a matter of weeks then I think it could be rescheduled for late this year or early next year. If it goes on months then I think they’ll have no choice but to cancel sadly. And even if there’s an improvement in the situation in Europe, who knows how long the US travel restrictions will go on for? Wish I’d just gone to one of the American shows last year now. I knew at the back of my mind I should have took the chance when it was there.
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Post by Anna on Apr 6, 2020 10:33:40 GMT
She's been working with Travis Clark for awhile and Machine Gun Kelly has been involved as well I think. And then the other day she posted a pic on IG recording in her home studio, so definitely think she's already been working on new music for some time already. We probably won't hear these songs since it takes her years to put out a record and most of the early material gets scrapped, but it's good to know she is working on new music sooner rather than later. I'm just curious... what is really the difference if the shows are canceled versus rescheduled, but if they were rescheduled for like next year? If they just canceled the Europe and Asia dates but then created a new tour for next year, I don't think it would make any difference. It just wouldn't be the "Head Above Water Tour" specifically. She hasn't been playing that much of the new album live, so if she just wanted to play a show of hits and singles it doesn't make any difference what the tour name is. The fans wouldn't be missing much if the HAW Tour instead turned into AL7 tour. There'd be a few new songs thrown in, with the rest being hits. It is the same tour over and over again. The only unique thing about this tour was really the costumes and the HAW video intro. Cancelled means definitely not happening, without a chance of being organized on a different date under the same deal signed by the artist. Rescheduled means it will happen according to the deal signed and the promoter is obliged to find a new date. However, for fans the main difference is that a cancelled show means people can apply for a refund while rescheduled gives the promoter more time to open the refund. Once a new date of the show is given, it’s possible to get a refund on a ticket.
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Post by katy on Apr 6, 2020 10:45:47 GMT
They’ve already started issuing refunds and other artists with dates later than hers have already rescheduled new dates. It’s cancelled, they just used weirdly ambiguous language in the statement and I’ve no idea why because it’s clear the tour isn’t happening anymore.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2020 11:19:04 GMT
She's been working with Travis Clark for awhile and Machine Gun Kelly has been involved as well I think. And then the other day she posted a pic on IG recording in her home studio, so definitely think she's already been working on new music for some time already. We probably won't hear these songs since it takes her years to put out a record and most of the early material gets scrapped, but it's good to know she is working on new music sooner rather than later. I'm just curious... what is really the difference if the shows are canceled versus rescheduled, but if they were rescheduled for like next year? If they just canceled the Europe and Asia dates but then created a new tour for next year, I don't think it would make any difference. It just wouldn't be the "Head Above Water Tour" specifically. She hasn't been playing that much of the new album live, so if she just wanted to play a show of hits and singles it doesn't make any difference what the tour name is. The fans wouldn't be missing much if the HAW Tour instead turned into AL7 tour. There'd be a few new songs thrown in, with the rest being hits. It is the same tour over and over again. The only unique thing about this tour was really the costumes and the HAW video intro. Cancelled means definitely not happening, without a chance of being organized on a different date under the same deal signed by the artist. Rescheduled means it will happen according to the deal signed and the promoter is obliged to find a new date. However, for fans the main difference is that a cancelled show means people can apply for a refund while rescheduled gives the promoter more time to open the refund. Once a new date of the show is given, it’s possible to get a refund on a ticket. Thanks but I wasn’t asking literally what the difference was. Just that as far as the fans go, ok if it’s just postponed they don’t have to worry about trying to buy tickets over again for the new date, but I meant more like since Avril always plays pretty much the same songs, it doesn’t really matter if the tour gets outright canceled and she does a tour for AL7 next year. She doesn’t play that many new songs either way.
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Post by xconfusingx on Apr 6, 2020 12:17:37 GMT
I think they are going to reschedule them. Maybe for 2021? Probably.
But the thing is that you are mentioning many artist scheduling shows for September, October... okey, good. But I am afraid it is quite likely those shows are going to be cancelled again. Not because we are going to be still locked at home, but life is not going to be the same from one day to the other, and I am afraid it will take some time for concerts to happen again. I honestly don't see myself going to a concert til next year.
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Post by katy on Apr 6, 2020 13:11:52 GMT
Loads of artists have resheduled for this time next year and their original dates were later than Avrils. If she was going to reschedule they wouldn’t have already issued refunds for some of the shows. I’d love her to reschedule but it’s quite clear they aren’t
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2020 13:33:49 GMT
I agree. I think they are operating under this false premise that they're trying to reschedule the dates so that they can hang onto the refunds longer since they need money to keep going. But since some shows have already been refunded, it's obvious most of these dates are canceled altogether. I don't see her rescheduling only a handful of dates, it would not be worth it for her to travel all the way overseas to do only like 5 shows. I think the whole tour will just be canceled, since she is already in the studio again, she can put out new music faster and put together a new tour for next year, start with Europe and Asia.
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Post by adamf83 on Apr 6, 2020 18:06:00 GMT
Loads of artists have resheduled for this time next year and their original dates were later than Avrils. If she was going to reschedule they wouldn’t have already issued refunds for some of the shows. I’d love her to reschedule but it’s quite clear they aren’t Is it not just the Milan, Paris and Zurich shows that have been refunded? Because they said they were cancelled all along.
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Post by adamf83 on Apr 6, 2020 18:09:05 GMT
I agree. I think they are operating under this false premise that they're trying to reschedule the dates so that they can hang onto the refunds longer since they need money to keep going. But since some shows have already been refunded, it's obvious most of these dates are canceled altogether. I don't see her rescheduling only a handful of dates, it would not be worth it for her to travel all the way overseas to do only like 5 shows. I think the whole tour will just be canceled, since she is already in the studio again, she can put out new music faster and put together a new tour for next year, start with Europe and Asia. I can’t see Avril realising a new album next year. Even if she does it usually takes some time before there’s a tour to support it. If the shows aren’t rescheduled for late this year or early next year I don’t see her touring again for at least a couple of years. I think your right though, whenever she does tour next, Europe will come first.
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Post by katy on Apr 6, 2020 19:10:51 GMT
Loads of artists have resheduled for this time next year and their original dates were later than Avrils. If she was going to reschedule they wouldn’t have already issued refunds for some of the shows. I’d love her to reschedule but it’s quite clear they aren’t Is it not just the Milan, Paris and Zurich shows that have been refunded? Because they said they were cancelled all along. They were but she could’ve just postponed them, I can’t see her rearranging all of Europe and skipping Italy and France. I think if they were gonna be rescheduled it’d be done by now, and her statement at the start would’ve just outright said so
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Post by adamf83 on Apr 6, 2020 19:55:59 GMT
Is it not just the Milan, Paris and Zurich shows that have been refunded? Because they said they were cancelled all along. They were but she could’ve just postponed them, I can’t see her rearranging all of Europe and skipping Italy and France. I think if they were gonna be rescheduled it’d be done by now, and her statement at the start would’ve just outright said so What she could do is reschedule and then just add new dates for the countries that got cancelled. I think they got cancelled because at the time it looks like she might have still been able to perform the majority of the shows, then it escalated very quickly. She did say in the statement that she wants to come back another time. Hopefully that was her way of saying she hopes to for this tour, but she could also have meant just someday in the future.
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Post by morphine on Apr 7, 2020 0:47:56 GMT
And then the band members say they don't know anything lol. Why in the tweet does it only include the date of April 6? I was thinking, maybe it's difficult to reschedule the full three UK dates
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Post by tr252 on Apr 7, 2020 7:01:35 GMT
And then the band members say they don't know anything lol. Why in the tweet does it only include the date of April 6? I was thinking, maybe it's difficult to reschedule the full three UK dates If you look at the Twitter feed, they tweet on the day of when each concert would have been with information about that specific date. So they also tweeted the same information on 1st and 5th April It’s actually getting pretty frustrating now. Dua Lipa has to rearrange her tour to January and that’s a a lot more dates than Avril is doing across UK & Europe and they announced so quickly. Appreciate there’s a lot that goes into these things but when you hear of other countries getting refunds, is it cancelled or what!
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Post by orangesky on Apr 7, 2020 8:28:36 GMT
Dua Lipa is a much bigger thing than Avril right now. She'll be a priority and venues will reschedule with her quicker than Avril. As someone said before, the venues giving refunds may have been from her cancelling those shows outright, thinking most of the tour would go ahead while the others are rescheduling because they we all stopped at the same time. Could also be that some venues don't want to reschedule for whatever reason right now
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