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Post by TamyXD on Sept 22, 2021 14:14:33 GMT
I’m not against mask wearing at all if needed, but honestly I wouldn’t attend a show if I had to wear one. Don’t know what it’s like in other countries where aircon is the norm but concert venues here are generally disgustingly hot. A mask would be so uncomfortable it’d completely ruin the enjoyment. I’ve got a few shows booked for next year, at the moment two aren’t requiring any proof of vaccination/test, and one is. None require masks. Mask wearing has pretty much gone out the window in England lol. I just think shows go ahead but people need to do what they’re comfortable with. If you’re not comfortable attending a show, don’t go. If you want to wear a mask, do, if you don’t, don’t. It's exactly the same here in Germany, concerning concert venues getting awfully hot and uncomfortable, even in winter when it's pretty cold outside. I also wouldn't want to wear a mask in such circumstances, even though I'm 100% for masks if they're necessary and have been since the pandemic started.
And yeah, in the end, everyone has to decide for themselves whether they feel safe enough to go among people or not. I personally don't, but that's because I generally really dislike crowds. In addition to that, only about 60% of people here are fully vaccinated and the number of people infected with COVID has risen again rather fast since last month. Sure, you're only allowed to go to a concert if you're either fully vaccinated or got a negative test result, so the chance of catching the virus is quite low. And even if you do catch it - if you're vaccinated, you're very unlikely to get seriously ill, you might not even have symptoms. But since only about 60% are fully vaccinated here, there are still plenty of people that could get seriously ill. Not all of them are unvaccinated by choice. Very young children or people who can't get vaccinated due to health reasons, for example. While there's no herd immunity in Germany, I still want to be as careful as I can. So for me, it's that mixture of anxiety of large crowds that I've already had long before the pandemic, and the fact that the number of infected people is rather high again and there's still no herd immunity.
I totally understand and think it's good that bands are finally able to tour again. I've been following this topic a bit during the pandemic, and I know a lot of bands, especially those that are less known, have really struggled, some even had to completely quit their jobs and try to find something else. And not just the bands, the touring management, the event organizers, even people like tour bus drivers, caterers, technicians, etc. I'm very happy to see that all these people can earn some money again. And I've also been aware of the fact that COVID will never fully go away and we'll just have to learn to live with it. But again, with only about 60% of the German population fully vaccinated, I feel it's a bit too early to fully go back to everyday life similar to what it was like before the pandemic. I might be extreme in this way, but that's just what it is.
And when I say that I hope Avril will postpone her European tour to 2023, or at least the second half of 2022, I'm aware that it's pretty much completely selfish, because the sole reason I say this is so that I can go see her live when I feel safe enough again. But it also means that if she won't postpone the tour, and it does take place in early 2022, I won't be mad at her or her team. I'll be sad that I won't be able to go see her, but I'll understand their decision.
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Post by gabbox on Sept 23, 2021 7:43:50 GMT
If things get better and shows are permitted I'm probably going, as long as they only let people with vaccine get in.
I'm trying t respect any kind of ideas, but I wouldn't feel safe going without. The worst thing which can happen though, is that she won't tour in places where live shows are not permitted and at the moment Italy is one of those. I saw in Paris they are starting again with 75% capacity and they are splitting dates in 2 nights in a row to let all people who bought a ticket getting in
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Post by Anna on Sept 23, 2021 8:26:13 GMT
My only fear if the tour goes ahead is a possible cancelation of some dates due to 1) countries restrictions hard to predict, 2) a member of the crew tested Covid positive and the whole crew being in quarantine.
I’ve already seen some artists facing the second scenario.
I’ve been to some concerts this year and it was okay in terms of Covid protection etc.
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Post by eismann on Sept 23, 2021 12:59:04 GMT
I feel like I will make that decision a day before the concert. The location is only a 2 hour train ride for me, so I dont have to plan that much ahead. Though it would be a shame not to go cause the ticket wasnt cheap. But I'm very careful with this situation, so I will check the infection statistics, possible rules and requirements etc. the day before.
I just hope Avril will be as comfortable as possible. She probably doesnt want to cancel this tour because she would lose a lot of money. But I hope she doesnt do it just for that, I hope she finds a way to feel safe on stage. Because she is already a low energy performer, I dont want to see her extra anxious.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 23, 2021 14:05:28 GMT
I would certainly hope the promoter/management takes her situation into account. I’m sure she has a lawyer that could get her out of the contract if she felt unsafe. She has had no issues performing at Mod’s concerts, even though his crowds are smaller than hers will be. They will probably do frequent testing amongst all the band and crew each show to catch outbreaks early.
Avril could survive financially without touring, as she has been through this whole pandemic. I suspect it’s why she’s done some of these random brand deals while not releasing any new music or merch. But of course she has a team of people that can’t make income in other ways like she can, so I think she wants this tour to happen more for them and for the fans. And of course performing is what she loves to do, she is a very active person so I can’t imagine how frustrating this has probably been for her. She isn’t used to being stuck at home for such long periods. I think she will go ahead with the tour as long as her team ok’s it. She doesn’t seem that concerned about the virus or else I don’t think she would have joined Mod.
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Post by HBK on Sept 23, 2021 17:53:14 GMT
I was supposed to see her in Berlin, Munich, Paris, London, and Manchester before the pandemic hit. Which cities were you guys gonna see her in? I have tickets for Milan and Padova (Italy) Was that Padova concert some kind of last-minute addition to the tour? I didn't see that date on the original 2020 itinerary.
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Post by Anna on Sept 23, 2021 18:36:25 GMT
I have tickets for Milan and Padova (Italy) Was that Padova concert some kind of last-minute addition to the tour? I didn't see that date on the original 2020 itinerary. No really. They changed the city because it wasn’t possible to reschedule for 2021 with two dates in Milan. Later they added like 4 shows in Germany. Shawn announced today an arena tour for March-May in Europe She probably doesnt want to cancel this tour because she would lose a lot of money. In concert contracts there’s always an article on health issues, she definitely does have one very extended due to her condition. That’s why many artists cancel tours because of mental health problems - if a contract is constructed well, health is a priority and no promoter will force a musician to play. It used to be different decades ago but not anymore. Don’t forget she was practicing for the 2020 tour like the week the world was falling apart. She felt safe 😅 (I’m joking, she looked more unaware)
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Post by HBK on Sept 27, 2021 23:33:07 GMT
Was that Padova concert some kind of last-minute addition to the tour? I didn't see that date on the original 2020 itinerary. No really. They changed the city because it wasn’t possible to reschedule for 2021 with two dates in Milan. Later they added like 4 shows in Germany. Shawn announced today an arena tour for March-May in Europe Wasn't there also a Hamburg date announced, but tickets never went on sale because COVID was still around?🤔 I saw it announced on ATRL, but then the announcement just disappeared. For a second, I thought I was just seeing things.😂
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Post by n3lis on Sept 28, 2021 4:03:20 GMT
No really. They changed the city because it wasn’t possible to reschedule for 2021 with two dates in Milan. Later they added like 4 shows in Germany. Shawn announced today an arena tour for March-May in Europe Wasn't there also a Hamburg date announced, but tickets never went on sale because COVID was still around?🤔 I saw it announced on ATRL, but then the announcement just disappeared. For a second, I thought I was just seeing things.😂 Yes Hamburg & Stuttgart were announced! Tickets were on sale for a short time, i’ve got tickets for both shows
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Post by Jinkxx on Sept 28, 2021 8:48:33 GMT
The artist can be safe on stage, they aren't in a fully sweaty crowd. I wonder what to do since I have 2 tickets. Nothing is confirmed yet but if I don't have the option to go VIP anymore in Germany/Cologne I skip that one and just go in my own country The Netherlands.
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Post by Anna on Sept 28, 2021 10:57:30 GMT
The artist can be safe on stage, they aren't in a fully sweaty crowd. But they meet with their crew and crew meets with people and even if contacts are limited, there’s always a chance of getting infected
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Post by Jinkxx on Sept 28, 2021 10:59:11 GMT
The artist can be safe on stage, they aren't in a fully sweaty crowd. But they meet with their crew and crew meets with people and even if contacts are limited, there’s always a chance of getting infected True, but they can keep the distance way better (the 1,5 meter distance) than the crowd. But I get what you mean.
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Post by HBK on Sept 29, 2021 1:05:15 GMT
Wasn't there also a Hamburg date announced, but tickets never went on sale because COVID was still around?🤔 I saw it announced on ATRL, but then the announcement just disappeared. For a second, I thought I was just seeing things.😂 Yes Hamburg & Stuttgart were announced! Tickets were on sale for a short time, i’ve got tickets for both shows So she had 6 dates total in Germany (Berlin, Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Stuttgart)? Not to mention an upgraded venue for the Vienna date. Is Avril really THAT popular in Germany? Maybe she should've added more dates in the UK then. And she needs perform in Ireland, Sweden, Poland, Spain, and Portugal again.
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Post by Anna on Sept 29, 2021 9:50:54 GMT
Yes Hamburg & Stuttgart were announced! Tickets were on sale for a short time, i’ve got tickets for both shows So she had 6 dates total in Germany (Berlin, Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Stuttgart)? Yes but as she skips Western Europe many fans from the countries bought tickets and sold out Berlin/Cologne.
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Post by marliz. on Sept 29, 2021 12:48:32 GMT
Slightly off topic starter, but I see lots of bands cancelling their concerts (at least in my country) because of the "social segregation" of anti-vaxxers not being able to attend and blabla. And honestly that gets me so mad. If you don't want to get your vaccination for whatever reason, fine. But stop playing the victim for not wanting to vaccinate and just simply get your ass tested and you can attend the concert after all anyway. An event which by the way was made possible again because of people who are willing to cooperate to improve the COVID situation and did get themselves vaccinated. This isn't pointed at anyone here, just had to vent lmao. Like I'm happy that concerts are finally starting to be possible again and then you get this shit. #endrant
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