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Post by slapstick on Apr 10, 2020 23:07:38 GMT
What a fucking never ending story, it's even messing with my sleep. I'd be willing to get whipped Saudi style, if it meant the virus would be gone tomorrow.
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AttIwiM
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Post by AttIwiM on Apr 11, 2020 10:05:17 GMT
I'm actually very concerned about the 'positive' news that is being broadcasted daily in my country. Every day, we hear about 'less deaths' and 'less new infections', which means that the measures taken by the government are working. I see it on the streets, especially because of the nice weather these days. People go outside more, come together in parks (eventhough they risk getting a fine for it), and yesterday my work sent me an email saying they were 'happy to announce' we can start working again. I work at a public library, they are planning to start a pick-up-service. When I read the email, I thought: "Wait, WHAT?!!" Aren't we supposed to stay HOME as much as possible? Why have people in our library working together to make sure customers can pick up their books... I know it is food for discussion whether or not the library is a necessity in the community, but I personally feel like this all is just happening too soon.
In my country, the Netherlands, every company has to be closed until April 28th. Restaurants, schools, gyms, theatres, cinemas, they're all closed until (AT LEAST) the 28th... Officially, libraries are closed as well, but several libraries throughout the country have decided to put up this pick-up-service. I'm scared of what the consequences might be for the community. I mean: will this encourage people to go out more, despite all the warnings and advices? The Dutch people naturally have a feel of "It'll be fine, it's not that bad as they say", so any positive sound could have such an impact.
Or maybe I'm just overreacting and I'm not having any faith in society anymore T______T It's just that I am better safe than sorry, and it feels like this 'loosening up' is too soon. But I'm not a doctor or scientist, so maybe it'll indeed be fine...
Sorry if this is off-topic (not really Avril-related), but I'm furious and anxious at the same time and felt like this was the place to spill the beans (like I did before on several threads, gheghe).
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Post by NowISee on Apr 11, 2020 10:55:05 GMT
I'm having a year off from work, but normally I also work in a public library. They also thought they could offer a pick up service but it got quickly shot down. Now the libraries stay closed until 13th May, like everything else also here in Finland.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Apr 11, 2020 14:43:07 GMT
I don't think it's possible to keep "nonessential people" cooped up until there is a vaccine. I don't believe any country's economy can survive an indefinite shutdown, without a complete societal meltdown and a decent into anarchy. As long as the preventative measures continue to be effective, it makes sense to loosen up restrictions, where it is supported by data. For example, I live in a county that is mainly rural. It has a population of 300,000. To date, we've had only 150 confirmed cases, 43 hospitalizations and 5 deaths. All the deaths were people over 80 years old. Sorry, old people. A lot of hard decisions are going to have to be made. One solution will not work in all geographic subdivisions.
My prediction for the baby boomer generation:
When the data is analyzed, those that smoked, abused drugs and alcohol and got fat, will have paid a high price for their lifestyle choices. That would be generally true without the coronavirus. However, the virus will have made it considerably worse. The younger generations might want to give that some serious thought. End of sermon.
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Apr 11, 2020 15:17:43 GMT
A family member suggested that I don't go to work and that she'd even pay me whatever I would lose from not working. It's not the right thing to do. If everyone at the grocery stores did as I was suggested, so many people would starve(probably to death!). Maybe I'll just spend as much time as I can in my room and away from everyone. About what I said...I heard of cases popping up in my grocery store chain...I ended up asking the managers at my store if there was an exception in place for me to call out of work because of all this. They said, "Yes," and told me that I can actually decide to stop working until this all dies down(they suggested to call back in like a month). I really want to make money and to help others in this crisis, but I can't be some loose, irresponsible cannon because I don't wanna bring it home to my family. If I was alone then this would be different. I then could take risks like this. Thankfully, I'm just a cart pusher, so that means I'm not that essential to a functioning grocery store.
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Post by Jinkxx on Apr 14, 2020 11:33:19 GMT
We have to keep 1,5 meters away from eachother and that will last most likely a long time... it's weird to be around people and having to think: Is there 1,5 meters between us?
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Post by Uncle Bob on Apr 15, 2020 14:21:14 GMT
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Post by slapstick on Apr 15, 2020 16:49:53 GMT
I don't think it's possible to keep "nonessential people" cooped up until there is a vaccine. I don't believe any country's economy can survive an indefinite shutdown, without a complete societal meltdown and a decent into anarchy. As long as the preventative measures continue to be effective, it makes sense to loosen up restrictions, where it is supported by data. For example, I live in a county that is mainly rural. It has a population of 300,000. To date, we've had only 150 confirmed cases, 43 hospitalizations and 5 deaths. All the deaths were people over 80 years old. Sorry, old people. A lot of hard decisions are going to have to be made. One solution will not work in all geographic subdivisions. My prediction for the baby boomer generation: When the data is analyzed, those that smoked, abused drugs and alcohol and got fat, will have paid a high price for their lifestyle choices. That would be generally true without the coronavirus. However, the virus will have made it considerably worse. The younger generations might want to give that some serious thought. End of sermon. Nominally I agree with you, although I'm maybe paradoxically a bit more sympathetic to older folks than your comment. Here in my 2 million state, just hours away from the Veneto and Lombardia, we made a super early and super strict lockdown, among the strictest in the world. The result? Practically negligible spread, a total of 1200 cases, with among the biggest per capita testing capabilities of any nation. Out of that, a quarter (!) though, were in retirement homes, and among dead, over half of the 58 dead are 85+ year old people in poor health. Total number of dead countrywide actually decreased in the quarantine. Now, I understand the worries, I have old relatives, but fact of the matter is, those most likely not to survive weren't really that protected from the virus despite the lock down that doesn't allow you to travel more than 15-20km, unless you're going directly to work and back. A sizable portion of those old folks homes got the disease, and eventually all of them will get it, it's inevitable, unless nurses never go home again. Now where were the job losses? Older people are predominantly on what we call an "indefinite" contract, which makes it very complicated to fire an employee. Half of younger workforce (24-34) are on non-indefinite contracts, and these are now largely among the ones unemployed. Our unemployed numbers are quite decent atm compared to US, we had a 15% increase, compared to US's estimated 250% increase, but I bet younger folk were also the ones most burdened by the lock down there. Old lives matter, but young lives matter too, hence why I am in favour of both, softer quarantines, as well as some kind of large safety net guarantee scheme, that will leave nobody behind.
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Post by RockBitch on Apr 17, 2020 8:51:48 GMT
Our intelligent lockdown will last until April 28, maybe we will get more relaxed in terms of school or catering, but I can hardly imagine .. We will hear it the following week .. I still follow the press conferences, but I leave the rest of the news for what it is .. Because it makes me a little nervous every time ..
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Post by katy on Apr 17, 2020 14:47:54 GMT
At least another three weeks for us. I was smashing working from home at first but very unmotivated this week lol.
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Apr 18, 2020 5:34:47 GMT
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Post by adamf83 on Apr 18, 2020 17:54:52 GMT
At least another three weeks for us. I was smashing working from home at first but very unmotivated this week lol. The novelty is really wearing off now isn’t it. I’m having to go to work still. Yet when I’m there I’m getting told off for doing too much!
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Post by MPone01 on Apr 19, 2020 13:14:20 GMT
Here everything was very well controlled. The lockdown was a success, everyone was very respectful and were almost 1 month and a half in quarantine. Only around 600 deaths in all the country to this day. Were reopening the economy may 3rd. 🙏 But it will be reorganised. Work time and school time will be different so people don't end up using public transportation at the same time, beaches will all have control, social distancing will prevail you have to still go back home after work... Let's hope everything turns out fine.
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Post by katy on Apr 20, 2020 7:26:15 GMT
Fascinating here in the UK. A few weeks ago the media and sections of the public were whining about us going into lockdown too late, now all of a sudden the same media and sections of the public are moaning we aren’t out of it yet.
I’m no expert but I don’t see daily life going back to anywhere near normal for the rest of 2020 at least.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Apr 20, 2020 12:27:34 GMT
Fascinating here in the UK. A few weeks ago the media and sections of the public were whining about us going into lockdown too late, now all of a sudden the same media and sections of the public are moaning we aren’t out of it yet. I’m no expert but I don’t see daily life going back to anywhere near normal for the rest of 2020 at least. You don't have to be an expert to make that call. I'm holding out hope, once widespread accurate antibody testing is available, we can return to near normal sooner than anyone is willing to predict, at this time. It seems social distancing and other preventative measures are yielding a positive result. What is unknown is, how much "herd immunity" is affecting the data leading to that conclusion. One small study, in California's Santa Clara County, suggests the possibility there are 50 infections, for every confirmed case. If this is confirmed, by the larger studies in progress, it could lead to a different way of developing the models, upon which decisions are made. That could be good for most of us. Where I live, the number of new confirmed cases has dropped like a rock. Yesterday, there were zero new confirmed cases in Ohio, population 11.7 million. The curve is flattening. I'm optimistic. But, what do I know? I'm just making a scientific wild ass guess.
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