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Post by katy on Dec 4, 2020 18:19:30 GMT
Personally I’d just want new music. She loses interest in the songs that actually make the album quickly enough, I can’t see her paying any attention to the ones that didn’t.
I don’t really care what genre she does as long as she’s passionate about the songs she puts out and wants to talk about them. It’s been SO long since we had that from her. The sad thing is I don’t see it happening ever again lol. If she does go with pop punk I just hope we don’t get the “MFP” crap again - shes too old for that and so are most of us..!
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 4, 2020 19:14:27 GMT
I think that’s the point though is if she were to release the songs quicker then hopefully she wouldn’t be over them. For example, had she released an EP of songs like Bright and the others about Lyme that we never heard, it would have made sense for her to release those songs when she was still in the thick of that situation, then 2 years later release HAW as the version we got with the love songs and what not. Artists today release music as they write/record it precisely for this reason, so they can release it in real time as they’re feeling these emotions. Waiting 2-3 years to release albums is old school now.
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Post by Anna on Dec 5, 2020 1:46:17 GMT
The only radio station supporting Avril in the last two eras is shutting down 😂🙃 $10 Disney is planning their own streaming service. Are you implying Avril’s finally going to be a streaming queen at least on a very tiny platform?
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Post by TomX on Dec 5, 2020 3:57:16 GMT
At the pace music releases are going, I’d say she’s too late for an EP (it should’ve come out late 2019). Albums shouldn’t take more than two years in between to be released. And we know we’re not getting an album by February next year. She’s going too slow. If you want to survive in the music industry, unless you’re an artist like Eminem who can release an album every 10 years and still get #1, you’ve gotta keep the pace or you’re out.
She shouldn’t take more than the summer to release the lead single and the album in the fall next year. And I agree that she should start recording/releasing songs leading up to the actual album next year. It’s what like 90% of artists do.
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 5, 2020 4:11:16 GMT
She needs something new out by summer 2021. But I'm afraid about the releasing music before the album. I loved it before but there's some people that release half the album and when you finally get it in full you've basically heard everything. I say release a single and by the 2-3 month mark get the whole album out. I like what Miley did with covers to fill that time up. Avril can do... idk but I'm sure she can pull something together if she tries. Other than perform the same song over & over or hide. And maybe eventually put out a deluxe version of new songs or acoustic/live versions of album tracks. It's apparently a trend now to do that a few months after a new album.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 5, 2020 8:01:55 GMT
Yeah...but strategic wise, it's better to release half of the album before the album. We are not in the 00's anymore and people want something new basically every month if not every week. We waited a week for the HAW mv and it fell like a year because people are used to get both msuic and music video at the same time now.
Same with msic, if you release a single, what's the point of getting the whole album the next 2-3 months? you kinda give the whole cake at once. It's better to keep feeding your fandom little by little so they keep the hype alive.
I know it's a pain in the ass for most of us. I like full albums and i like them to be cohesive and well thougth and i love seeing the booklets and having the CD and basically the excitment of listening to the whole album. Like if you watch a movie for the first time. It's a mess if you already watched parts of the movie i know.
But in music...well, you gotta sell, and unless you're Adele, you're not gonna sell the whole album anyway. It's better to give singles and try to make them hits and profit of them as much as possible and then release an album bc the fans will buy it anyways.
And to be honest, even if i like full albums and i enjoy lstening to them without having heard anything, considering it's Avril i wouldn't mind if she does that strategy. She takes too long to release albums so doing it this way, the wait wouldn't be as painful.
Because ok, she releases a single; 2-3 months later the whole album and then what? Nothing new for the next 2-3 years (if lucky) unless she makes a WE remix of a song. It hasn't worked for her so far.
I prefer getting "spoilers" of the album and rather than enjoying the experience of listening to a full album brand new, i will enjoy the experience of the "process of releasing a new album" idk if that makes sense, it's kinda watching a TV show instead of a movie u know? It's like reading manga where it comes weekly or monthly by chapter and you can't get the whole book before it's finished.
I mean, it's movie vs TV show for me. But in my case, if the TV show it's worth it, i will patienly wait for it and watch it as it comes.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 5, 2020 8:14:41 GMT
What I also mean is that releasing a new song it only takes 3 minutes of your life to check that out. People are willing to spend 3 min to check her out and see what's new. But releasing 12 songs at once? That's almost 1 hour. People are not willing to spend 1 hour of their lives on Avrl unless they're already fans.
So releasing a single from time to time will keep her in the eye, in the news and people will have things to talk about her every 1-2 months. She would be more likely to get attention this way rather than releasing a full album that's gonna be heard only by her fans anyway.
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Post by morphine on Dec 5, 2020 10:04:10 GMT
I don't care that Avril takes a long time to release a new album, but as you say, she should release new music in the meantime. Its mistake is that it disappears years, and I think that one of the reasons that it was losing popularity is that. Hopefully the collaboration with mod sun will be very soon and will be well received. May it help her motivate herself and release more music soon. I do not know in what phase the new album will be, but I am afraid it has only just begun .. Knowing her .. it will only have thousands of letters written in a notebook .. Hopefully it will hurry. If her don't have the desire and motivation to create a new album, it will be difficult. I'd like john feldmann and travis barker to help her.
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 5, 2020 19:01:07 GMT
I don't care about the casuals. Or getting people to listen to her because obviously she doesn't care either. But I see what you mean. Still I would prefer just putting out the album out faster than getting a bunch of songs before. Unless it's like a 16 track album. So it depends on when the full album would be out. If it's 4-6 months of wait time then sure give me 1-3 new songs to help the wait. I waited a whole year for Maddie & Tae's full album and I did not regret it despite having heard half the songs on it. It just better be a damn good album Avril 👀
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Post by HeiBai on Dec 5, 2020 19:06:01 GMT
I think that’s the point though is if she were to release the songs quicker then hopefully she wouldn’t be over them. For example, had she released an EP of songs like Bright and the others about Lyme that we never heard, it would have made sense for her to release those songs when she was still in the thick of that situation, then 2 years later release HAW as the version we got with the love songs and what not. Artists today release music as they write/record it precisely for this reason, so they can release it in real time as they’re feeling these emotions. Waiting 2-3 years to release albums is old school now. I see the point but I feel it maybe (in the case of the Lyme at least) doesn't take into account that certain life events such as illness are more personal than others and are also likely painful to bring up in a big way like releasing a "personal" song to the public. Especially if you haven't yet had any distance from it or time to reflect and are still in the middle or only just past that situation. Different people deal with events in different ways and it's possible she was just not ready back then and was making the music for herself as a way to cope/process rather than for public release as a product. Not saying that she can't and/or other artists haven't but it's in my opinion a valid reason for leaving seemingly "good content" unreleased to the public.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Dec 5, 2020 20:08:02 GMT
I'm still mad we only got 2 songs about Lyme like what the heck? She could've detailed every aspect of it. I still think about that dude from her online concert that sang about his wife. Intead we got Warrior which is pretty ambigous lyrics if you ask me. HAW was a better attempt, it wasn't specifically about Lyme but at least we got a closer idea.
I can understand mayeb it's difficult for her to talk about it, it happens to me as well, but i also think it's easier to put those feelings in a song right? idk, i kinda wish she risked a little bit more about her personal life. being in bed for 2 years and losing friends and basically realizing you're not as strong as you thought are pretty cool topics to talk about. I'm not mad at HAW's content at all, except for 2-3 love songs, but i think it was a missed opportunity for her to talk about it.
For her next album i would love for her to be more open. As someone who struggles with being honest with deep emotions i guess i understand her, on the other hand i don't know if she does have the same problem as I do, or she just doesn't care or it just wasn't as bad as she said. IDK.
But let's say she does have problems opening up about real stuff, i think a step of courage would make her songs be closer to us. She always say "i try to write songs so that everyone can relate to them" ....like girl...that's a lame excuse lol xD i don't know if she just doesn't know how to write personal songs or just doesn't want to. it will always be a mystery. But i wish we could get that for AL7, but if she goes pop-rock again i highly doubt it will happen....
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 5, 2020 20:55:22 GMT
Yeah that was sort of my point about HAW and why she didn't release a lot of the more personal songs sooner or at least put them on the album. I understand if it's something she really doesn't want to talk about, but that was kind of the point of the album, except she only really had 2 songs that talked about it. And I'm not saying the whole album needs to be about it, but if the whole theme of the album is about it and then there's only like 2 songs, something isn't adding up. Don't act like the album is about that theme but then refuse to discuss it. She pulled that a lot in interviews this era where people would ask her personal questions about Lyme, since you know, the main single was kind of about that, but she would deflect a lot and refuse to go that deep into her answers. If you don't want to get too personal with this stuff, maybe don't make an album about it. She tries to have it both ways and that's just kind of stupid.
She managed to write half an album about her divorce, and yeah that's a totally different thing from being bedridden and sick, but it was still a personal thing she went through and she didn't have a problem talking about it then.
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Post by orangesky on Dec 5, 2020 23:14:50 GMT
She managed to write half an album about her divorce, and yeah that's a totally different thing from being bedridden and sick, but it was still a personal thing she went through and she didn't have a problem talking about it then. Did she? I can only think of RW, NE and Goodbye that are directly about the divorce
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 6, 2020 2:45:07 GMT
She managed to write half an album about her divorce, and yeah that's a totally different thing from being bedridden and sick, but it was still a personal thing she went through and she didn't have a problem talking about it then. Did she? I can only think of RW, NE and Goodbye that are directly about the divorce There’s also Push and I Love You, Everybody Hurts can kind of apply too.
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Post by katy on Dec 6, 2020 9:44:22 GMT
I just read through the lyrics to Push and ILY and its reminded me what a mess some of the songs on GL are. ILY is a pure love song then you get the one line “even though we didn’t make it through” and you’re suddenly like eh? what? it’s a break up song now? Then the Push lyrics are just all over the bloody place. That song makes zero sense.
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