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Post by melissavandella on Jan 11, 2021 17:39:04 GMT
Evan Luke is a joke and has lost complete credibility. All of this alleged “insider info” is solely based on her follows on Instagram. I could’ve even come up with that. It’s not rocket science. Dr Luke is probably working under a pseudonym at this point, so even if she worked with him, we’d never know. Dr. Luke has used a couple pseudonym's so far. Made in China was one and he is credited as Tyson Trax on Doja Cat's "Say So". I wouldn't be surprised if he does go back to Dr. Luke though, since he's starting to experience a lot of success again, such as with the aforementioned #1, and everyone already knows that it's him producing the song. He even got nominated for a Grammy under Tyson Trax which is so... ugh, let me not. Anyway, she would want to promote Flames for a bit more, they still have to release the video. I guess she will start teasing her material again in February? |
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jan 11, 2021 17:56:27 GMT
I didn't really followed the whole scandal back then and I only read a few articles and the wikipedia page a couple of months ago to know the story. But apart from the kesha thing is there any other proof he is a monster?
I mean, I know he wasn't find guilty and that could be for multiple reasons and in this case i'm definitely more leaning into believing Kesha's side of the stroy, obviously. But...am I 100% she's not lying? Nope. And I think none of us can be. That's why I'm asking if there is any proof as I'm not up to date with what happened.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to discredit her or anything but everyone is entitled to have doubts about. I also understand it's kinda hard to give proofs of something like that especially if it happened years ago.
I just want to know your thoughts on this, other than what i've heard already. And how could this affect Avril's career?
For me, from a professional point of view, i guess she wouldn't get in trouble if he uses a fake name. But if it people find out i don't think people will really like tbh. She'll get in big troubles, especially being Kesha's ""friend"". And from a personal point of view, i hope she doesn't do it, cause even if he is innocent let's say (which doesn't seem like) i guess i would be careful just in case. They didn't remain friends after TBDT anyways so... I hope she's smart.
I don't doubt he's a great producer and would probably make AL7 better but at what cost? maybe this isn't the right thread tho xD
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Post by gabbox on Jan 11, 2021 18:08:08 GMT
Did Avril take part with Kesha against Dr Luke ? (I mean, officially, legally) ? I don't remember all that story..
My two cents is that Dr Luke is an amazing producer, but yes, probably a terrible person.
But, at the same time, Law exists for a reason, and if he wasn't considered guilty, it's not up to Avril or any artist to feel like working or not. In the TBDT making of Avril and Luke seemed to have an amazing feeling together so I don't know.. If Avril works / worked / will work with him for AL7 they won't be alone in the studio I guess, at the same time, I repeat, it's up to an artist feeling like working with him or not after all the Kesha allegations.. But if the Law Declared he's not guilty, there's no reason for us to judge if somebody wants to work with him or not.
Everybody has got his own ethics.
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Post by tommygun on Jan 11, 2021 18:13:08 GMT
Avril was part of the legal proceedings Dr. Luke took against Kesha after the courts found him not guilty he sued Kesha for deformation. Avril and pink submitted testimonies to say they would not work with Dr Luke in the future but it wasn’t because of Kesha. I think Dr Luke was saying he lost work with Avril and Pink because of the accusations made against him. Yeah im not sure if they were friends before, she possibly may have known Kesha and I don’t buy into the fact that Avril not working with Dr Luke is because of the allegations Kesha made but who knows? I fully think Avril was on team Kesha, maybe Avril knows something or knows a different side of him as a producer and believes her over him . www.nme.com/news/music/pink-avril-lavigne-defend-kesha-defamation-lawsuit-2349464 |
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Post by Hellelujah on Jan 11, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
I didn't really followed the whole scandal back then and I only read a few articles and the wikipedia page a couple of months ago to know the story. But apart from the kesha thing is there any other proof he is a monster? I mean, I know he wasn't find guilty and that could be for multiple reasons and in this case i'm definitely more leaning into believing Kesha's side of the stroy, obviously. But...am I 100% she's not lying? Nope. And I think none of us can be. That's why I'm asking if there is any proof as I'm not up to date with what happened. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to discredit her or anything but everyone is entitled to have doubts about. I also understand it's kinda hard to give proofs of something like that especially if it happened years ago. I just want to know your thoughts on this, other than what i've heard already. And how could this affect Avril's career? For me, from a professional point of view, i guess she wouldn't get in trouble if he uses a fake name. But if it people find out i don't think people will really like tbh. She'll get in big troubles, especially being Kesha's ""friend"". And from a personal point of view, i hope she doesn't do it, cause even if he is innocent let's say (which doesn't seem like) i guess i would be careful just in case. They didn't remain friends after TBDT anyways so... I hope she's smart. I don't doubt he's a great producer and would probably make AL7 better but at what cost? maybe this isn't the right thread tho xD At the cost of probably being in the charts again? Who knows. I didn’t knew she was friend with Kesha, I know they took a picture together but that’s it. I think she has more relationship with Luke than Kesha. So why to lost the opportunity just because the allegations where he was found not guilty and Avril had nothing to do with it. No one of us can say he’s guilty or no, neither Avril |
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 11, 2021 18:31:54 GMT
Avril was part of the legal proceedings Dr. Luke took against Kesha after the courts found him not guilty he sued Kesha for deformation. Avril and pink submitted testimonies to say they would not work on its Dr Luke in the future but it wasn’t because of Kesha. Yeah im not sure if they were friends before, she possibly may have known Kesha and I don’t buy into the fact that Avril not working with Dr Luke is because of the allegations Kesha made but who knows? . www.nme.com/news/music/pink-avril-lavigne-defend-kesha-defamation-lawsuit-2349464For those who won't click on the links and just read off of bandaids comments. Been there 😉. Avril backed Kesha during Dr. luke's lawsuit AGAINST Kesha. Dr. like claimed that Kesha's allegations cost him work. Avril was one of the singers who signed a document claiming her not working with Luke had nothing to do with the Kesha allegations. However, Avril never claimed knowledge or that she believed Kesha's word about the abuse from Dr. Luke. So we really don't know her feelings on him. And at the end of the day business is business and labels want to make money. Before Dr. luke's bad reputation even began, Kelly Clarkson couldn't get out of working with him. She felt a bad vibe from him and asked not to work with him but her label pushed it anyways. I think anything is possible in the entertainment business. Let's just hope Avril has a better grip on things and thinks better of it. I know everyone has their feeling about this stuff. But I rather she doesn't kill her own hype. Again. |
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Jan 11, 2021 18:33:50 GMT
I remember butch walker saying on his book that Avril was pissed at dr luke for the whole girlfriend controversy with the rubinoos. And supposedly said she was never going to work with him again
They had the chance to work together again in multiple albums and she never did. Why would she do that now? Even under an alias people would find out and her career would be over for good
One thing is a newcomer working with him because they don't have other options a completely different story is to work with it being a big name in the industry having all the biggest producers available. Either way i just hope his nowhere near this album. I don't care if he's a good producer, i don't care if he makes hits, i personally don't want Avril to take that road
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Post by Hellelujah on Jan 11, 2021 18:39:03 GMT
I remember butch walker saying on his book that Avril was pissed at dr luke for the whole girlfriend controversy with the rubinoos. And supposedly said she was never going to work with him again They had the chance to work together again in multiple albums and she never did. Why would she do that now? Even under an alias people would find out and her career would be over for good One thing is a new corner working with him because they don't have other options a completely different story is to work with it being a big name in the industry having all the biggest producers available. Either way i just hope his nowhere near this album. I don't care if he's a good producer, i don't care if he makes hits, i personally don't want Avril to take that road Those working with him again are having hits. So I don’t think anyone career will be over. Still if he uses a fake name maybe we will never know, or they signe something that he won’t be credited. We don’t know what kind of deal they make BTS |
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Post by henryp92 on Jan 11, 2021 18:47:48 GMT
I remember butch walker saying on his book that Avril was pissed at dr luke for the whole girlfriend controversy with the rubinoos. And supposedly said she was never going to work with him again They had the chance to work together again in multiple albums and she never did. Why would she do that now? Even under an alias people would find out and her career would be over for good One thing is a new corner working with him because they don't have other options a completely different story is to work with it being a big name in the industry having all the biggest producers available. Either way i just hope his nowhere near this album. I don't care if he's a good producer, i don't care if he makes hits, i personally don't want Avril to take that road Walker claimed that Avril even called him crying after pushing TBDT away from being the main single. But that book Walker shits a lot on Avril for what I can remember. Wasn't there where he tried to underestimate Avril songwriting abilities but then confirmed that the chorus of MHE (one of the most iconic parts of the song) was written by her? And somebody else might remember better, but I think Avril and Kesha have publicly shared love for each other many times. They even did a special concert together during HAW right? As I don't care at all how Avril charts or doesn't and I truly believe she stopped caring about it like a decade ago after the GL label fiasco (if she even cared) I rather have her working with people she wants to work with than working with Dr. Luke for hit material. If she wants to work with him because of "friendship", then thats another discussion with a lot of moral ambiguity and subjetivity. I think he is trash, even if the jury did not condemn him, but Avril may think differently. |
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Post by gabbox on Jan 11, 2021 18:47:53 GMT
Wow even Kelly had some weird vibe from him. This guy must be a creep.
Anyways, as I said before, it's up to law to decide, and he's free and can work. And, he's very good and talented.
If Avril wants to work with him, I'm okay, he makes huge hits. Avril won't be alone with him in the studio, also, she may not have a contract (like Kesha or Kelly for many albums), but probably just for couple of songs, and it's okay to me.
But again, it's something up to Avril's ethics, it's not up to us to judge. I also don't think it's right to point the finger to a person if he's not been considered guilty, regardless of each personal opinion, we're not the Law.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Jan 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT
I remember butch walker saying on his book that Avril was pissed at dr luke for the whole girlfriend controversy with the rubinoos. And supposedly said she was never going to work with him again They had the chance to work together again in multiple albums and she never did. Why would she do that now? Even under an alias people would find out and her career would be over for good One thing is a new corner working with him because they don't have other options a completely different story is to work with it being a big name in the industry having all the biggest producers available. Either way i just hope his nowhere near this album. I don't care if he's a good producer, i don't care if he makes hits, i personally don't want Avril to take that road Those working with him again are having hits. So I don’t think anyone career will be over. Still if he uses a fake name maybe we will never know, or they signe something that he won’t be credited. We don’t know what kind of deal they make BTS I don't care about any of that. Like i said i personally don't want Avril to work with him. That's all A hit single won't change the fact that he's trash. I don't want to be rude here. I just think this guy needs to be left in the past |
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jan 11, 2021 18:55:54 GMT
I wouldn't take Kelly's statement too serious to be honest. She was 100% subjective when she had that "feeling" or whatever. First impressions or even seconds and thirds are pretty missleading. For instance a girl I met 4 years ago saw me and she creeped out as hell for some reason (??) xD lol, i guess i'm scary xD and now we're like best friends.. (?) it also happened to me with other people, so... i love Kelly but that doesn't mean anything to me.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 11, 2021 18:58:05 GMT
IMO Avril's career is on thin ice right now, she already has enough bad press against her from the Hello Kitty controversy and the socially distanced photos with fans at the meet and greets all those years ago. She really can't afford to be engaging in controversy like this, not when she's right at the precipice of a possible comeback. If this album is done right and she and her team really give it their all, I think this could be a decent comeback from her. Maybe not as big as TBDT was, but certainly a bigger comeback than HAW was.
I really hope the theory that she's using a reject from TBDT is true and not that she's possibly working with Luke again. Whether or not he was convicted doesn't necessarily matter. His name is tainted and just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean he still didn't do what he was accused of. I know they say bad press is still good press, but I think Avril can't afford any more bad press right now. And working with him would be a worse kind of press than some stupid music video she made or fan photos, this is the type of press you don't want to have. And it's certainly not worth sacrificing what little dignity she and her career have left just for a hit. She doesn't need to risk getting canceled before her comeback has even started.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Jan 11, 2021 18:59:03 GMT
I remember butch walker saying on his book that Avril was pissed at dr luke for the whole girlfriend controversy with the rubinoos. And supposedly said she was never going to work with him again They had the chance to work together again in multiple albums and she never did. Why would she do that now? Even under an alias people would find out and her career would be over for good One thing is a new corner working with him because they don't have other options a completely different story is to work with it being a big name in the industry having all the biggest producers available. Either way i just hope his nowhere near this album. I don't care if he's a good producer, i don't care if he makes hits, i personally don't want Avril to take that road Walker claimed that Avril even called him crying after pushing TBDT away from being the main single. But that book Walker shits a lot on Avril for what I can remember. Wasn't there where he tried to underestimate Avril songwriting abilities but then confirmed that the chorus of MHE (one of the most iconic parts of the song) was written by her? And somebody else might remember better, but I think Avril and Kesha have publicly shared love for each other many times. They even did a special concert together during HAW right? As I don't care at all how Avril charts or doesn't and I truly believe she stopped caring about it like a decade ago after the GL label fiasco (if she even cared) I rather have her working with people she wants to work with than working with Dr. Luke for hit material. If she wants to work with him because of "friendship", then thats another discussion with a lot of moral ambiguity and subjetivity. I think he is trash, even if the jury did not condemn him, but Avril may think differently. Yeah butch it's not a sweetheart tho But i believe him over dr luke in a heartbeat. He's friends with Pink who said some similar things about how dr luke it's a terrible person. So did kelly clarkson. And Avril still worked with butch on GL but never again with the other guy |
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Post by pllforlife on Jan 11, 2021 19:05:56 GMT
Walker claimed that Avril even called him crying after pushing TBDT away from being the main single. But that book Walker shits a lot on Avril for what I can remember. Wasn't there where he tried to underestimate Avril songwriting abilities but then confirmed that the chorus of MHE (one of the most iconic parts of the song) was written by her? And somebody else might remember better, but I think Avril and Kesha have publicly shared love for each other many times. They even did a special concert together during HAW right? As I don't care at all how Avril charts or doesn't and I truly believe she stopped caring about it like a decade ago after the GL label fiasco (if she even cared) I rather have her working with people she wants to work with than working with Dr. Luke for hit material. If she wants to work with him because of "friendship", then thats another discussion with a lot of moral ambiguity and subjetivity. I think he is trash, even if the jury did not condemn him, but Avril may think differently. Yeah butch it's not a sweetheart tho But i believe him over dr luke in a heartbeat. He's friends with Pink who said some similar things about how dr luke it's a terrible person. So did kelly clarkson. And Avril still worked with butch on GL but never again with the other guy Lol Avril did mace Luke for all of us to see. |
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