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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 21, 2022 12:44:24 GMT
Avril Pop-punk comeback, switching to country
Lately, during the promotion of Love Sux, Lavigne has been very open about her love for the country music genre on interviews. I'm not sure why she is revealing this too soon, maybe its to mentally prepare her fans of the musical direction she's heading in the future?As fans of Avril, we all know she had a musical history of singing gospel and country music before discovering pop-punk in her teens. And then BOOM, when Avril busted into the music scene in the early 2000s, her country music roots was downplayed (maybe her PR team think its at odds with her tomboy image back then) and then her love for country music reinvigorated again during her Love Sux album cycle. I think Avril revisiting this country music genre was a matter of time. If we were to look back at Avril's discography, she started experimenting with a more acoustic sound in in Goodbye Lullaby. Self titled album had a couple of folk leaning songs like Give You What You Like and Let Me Go. Head Above Water sees Avril revisiting her gospel roots. It's safe to say AL8 is most likely going to be pop-punk album again as its probably her one last chance at this genre before the genre falls out of the mainstream again (and AL9 is definitely going to be a switch in genres) Those support think it's about time as she's turning 40, so her music should "matured". Some support because it might help expand her audience outreach and re-invent her sound to stay relevant. Some are ok with her switching genres but country might be "too much" and classic rock might be just nice. Those who oppose argue why should she changed genres just because she's getting older (gender double standards). Some don't think Avril has what it takes to sing country music since its a very confessional genre. Nevertheless, the reactions lately to Avril's intention to switch genres have been rather mixed in this forum and I hope we can have a fruitful constructive conversation in this. But in the event if Avril does switch her sound, what do you guys think of this move?
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Post by katy on Mar 21, 2022 20:43:13 GMT
I’ll start this by saying I love country music. It’s my favourite genre. However - she would have to work with professional songwriters to make it work. She just isn’t a strong enough writer to do a country album. And we all know she won’t work with songwriters. If she did, I can’t see her going full on country. I don’t know what Avril means by “country rock songs” because her descriptions of her songs are generally awful lol, but something like what Ashley McBryde, Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Hardy etc are doing could work. Hardy inparticular flicks between country and rock pretty flawlessly imo. Ashley McBryde is probably the closest to what I could see Avril doing, but again, the writing/storytelling is just on another level to what Avril can do on her own. Interestingly, Jaret Reddick (the singer from bowling for soup) recently released a solo country album, and it’s actually very good. He played at a country festival I was at last weekend and he was really well received, so the genre swerve definitely can work if it’s done well.
Classic rock…not really my thing. But the important thing here is she does whatever she’s passionate about. The difference in quality between the albums we know Avril was excited to work on and ones we know were a struggle for her is huge. As long as she’s making music she’s passionate about then that’s great, regardless of if it’s a genre I enjoy or not.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 21, 2022 21:44:40 GMT
I’d personally love to see her switch up genres for the next albums, whether it’s classic rock, country, jazz, etc. I think realistically AL8 will probably be similar to LS, but for the albums following that I can see her changing it up.
I just think one pop punk album after another will get boring, and if the genre kind of falls out of the mainstream again she’ll look kind of pathetic trying to keep this genre relevant when no one cares anymore. She should do what she wants, of course, but music is cyclical and I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually the genre fades away again.
I think her idea of country music is probably quite poppy, not like yeehaw country. Cassadee Pope does a blend of pop/rock and country, she calls it “y’all-ternative.” I can imagine Avril doing something similar. She even said BOAH started as a country song.
I’m not even bothered about the age thing. If she wanted to still be doing pop punk in her 40s, that’s her right. All her male peers are doing so why can’t she? But I think if she’s to continue on this path she needs to find some other topic to write about besides Bois and breakups. Especially when she’s in a happy relationship. Her fans need something to relate to as grown adults, which I think is why Avalanche was one of the top favorites from this record.
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Post by katy on Mar 21, 2022 21:52:16 GMT
Cassadee Pope does a blend of pop/rock and country, she calls it “y’all-ternative.” Hahahahahaha that’s amazing
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Post by biggerwow on Mar 22, 2022 0:21:47 GMT
For me, the deluxe version of Love Sux will be enough for her to move on. I don't even think pop punk is mainstream. It's just a niche genre that's gotten relevant again. I'm glad she's found her tribe but I don't see what more she has to contribute to the genre or how long it will last. I don't care that she's turning 40 and making this music, I just care about her making music I can relate to as an adult. Love Sux makes me feel like a teenager. It's fun for one record. I would like her to make pop rock music again. I think that's the real genre people want back not pop punk. I'm talking songs like Complicated or Since U Been Gone. I have no idea what she means by classic rock. ACDC, Joan Jett, Led Zeppelin, Pat Benatar, Fleetwood Mac, Queen all come up when I search classic rock. I enjoy this music but I've heard all her work and I honestly can't imagine her pulling it off and her voice...
I think country music is a great area for her to explore and she's been talking about it since HAW era. I don't think she needs to make a whole country album. Nowadays, you got Kacey Musgraves, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini making albums that make me wonder if they're really country. They just have that country element of storytelling, real instruments, well put lyrics (mostly because some songs are still about comparing women to cars and stuff lol but nice songs nonetheless). I'm scared she may do the bro country version of Bitchin' Summer (drinking beer on the back of my truck featuring Florida Georgia Line) 💀
I would really like a mix of Carrie (class), Miranda (sass), Maddie & Tae (relatability), Maren Morris (versitality), and thoughtful lyrics that she can only get with working with professional songwriters. The country community has a great relationship between artists and songwriters. Avril can work with other musicians she likes but she will need to be open to working with songwriters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 0:52:25 GMT
As long as it means she doesn't tour with MGK. But she'd still sing all singles and it would just be weird. WTH for a country show...
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Post by biggerwow on Mar 22, 2022 1:41:36 GMT
As long as it means she doesn't tour with MGK. But she'd still sing all singles and it would just be weird. WTH for a country show... at first I was like what are they talking about? then it hit me WTH at a country show 😂😂😂😂😂 she totally would do that knowing her. But like it would make her sing her new songs and maybe some LG songs too. IMO there's a lot of country influences on that album (complicated, Mobile, my world, TINS).
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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 22, 2022 2:09:37 GMT
For me, the deluxe version of Love Sux will be enough for her to move on. I don't even think pop punk is mainstream. It's just a niche genre that's gotten relevant again. I'm glad she's found her tribe but I don't see what more she has to contribute to the genre or how long it will last. I don't care that she's turning 40 and making this music, I just care about her making music I can relate to as an adult. Love Sux makes me feel like a teenager. It's fun for one record. I would like her to make pop rock music again. I think that's the real genre people want back not pop punk. I'm talking songs like Complicated or Since U Been Gone. I have no idea what she means by classic rock. ACDC, Joan Jett, Led Zeppelin, Pat Benatar, Fleetwood Mac, Queen all come up when I search classic rock. I enjoy this music but I've heard all her work and I honestly can't imagine her pulling it off and her voice... I think country music is a great area for her to explore and she's been talking about it since HAW era. I don't think she needs to make a whole country album. Nowadays, you got Kacey Musgraves, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini making albums that make me wonder if they're really country. They just have that country element of storytelling, real instruments, well put lyrics (mostly because some songs are still about comparing women to cars and stuff lol but nice songs nonetheless). I'm scared she may do the bro country version of Bitchin' Summer (drinking beer on the back of my truck featuring Florida Georgia Line) 💀 I would really like a mix of Carrie (class), Miranda (sass), Maddie & Tae (relatability), Maren Morris (versitality), and thoughtful lyrics that she can only get with working with professional songwriters. The country community has a great relationship between artists and songwriters. Avril can work with other musicians she likes but she will need to be open to working with songwriters. A deluxe version of Luv Sux or a reissue of Luv Sux with new songs is better than a new album with the same sound as LS. I can't imagine her putting on a sister album to LS knowing she is making a Sk8er Boi movie and in all likelihood, the soundtrack album of SK8er Boi movie will have a pop-punk sound again.
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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 22, 2022 2:13:03 GMT
I’d personally love to see her switch up genres for the next albums, whether it’s classic rock, country, jazz, etc. I think realistically AL8 will probably be similar to LS, but for the albums following that I can see her changing it up. I just think one pop punk album after another will get boring, and if the genre kind of falls out of the mainstream again she’ll look kind of pathetic trying to keep this genre relevant when no one cares anymore. She should do what she wants, of course, but music is cyclical and I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually the genre fades away again. I think her idea of country music is probably quite poppy, not like yeehaw country. Cassadee Pope does a blend of pop/rock and country, she calls it “y’all-ternative.” I can imagine Avril doing something similar. She even said BOAH started as a country song. I’m not even bothered about the age thing. If she wanted to still be doing pop punk in her 40s, that’s her right. All her male peers are doing so why can’t she? But I think if she’s to continue on this path she needs to find some other topic to write about besides Bois and breakups. Especially when she’s in a happy relationship. Her fans need something to relate to as grown adults, which I think is why Avalanche was one of the top favorites from this record. Im all for Avril still continuing this pop punk genre even after she turns 40 (yeah why not?) but like what was mentioned before, I think what people want is for Avril to continue doing pop-rock music. And yeah the only problem I have for Avril continuing the pop-punk is her lyrics have not matured and as a grown man in his 30's its hard to find her lyrics relatable sometimes.
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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 22, 2022 2:21:53 GMT
I’ll start this by saying I love country music. It’s my favourite genre. However - she would have to work with professional songwriters to make it work. She just isn’t a strong enough writer to do a country album. And we all know she won’t work with songwriters. If she did, I can’t see her going full on country. I don’t know what Avril means by “country rock songs” because her descriptions of her songs are generally awful lol, but something like what Ashley McBryde, Morgan Wallen, Luke Combs, Hardy etc are doing could work. Hardy inparticular flicks between country and rock pretty flawlessly imo. Ashley McBryde is probably the closest to what I could see Avril doing, but again, the writing/storytelling is just on another level to what Avril can do on her own. Interestingly, Jaret Reddick (the singer from bowling for soup) recently released a solo country album, and it’s actually very good. He played at a country festival I was at last weekend and he was really well received, so the genre swerve definitely can work if it’s done well. Classic rock…not really my thing. But the important thing here is she does whatever she’s passionate about. The difference in quality between the albums we know Avril was excited to work on and ones we know were a struggle for her is huge. As long as she’s making music she’s passionate about then that’s great, regardless of if it’s a genre I enjoy or not. when I think of classic rock, the first thing that comes to my mind is Liam Gallagher from Oasis. It is basically rock music in the strictest sense of the word - no experimentation with synth instruments and no poppy beats and melodies. When I think of female influences of alternative rock and pop-rock...I first think of Alanis Morrisette and the late Dolores from the Cranberries (its a pity she didnt elaborate in a particular interview where the interviewer asked her influences), Lars-Olof Johansson from The Cardigans and Andrea Corr from The Corrs (their music is rather Celtic and Irish folk). I think Avril can make a pop rock and/or alternative rock album.. with influences of jazz, Christmas, folk and country. A full-on country/classic rock/folk might be too drastic for some fans. Do you guys remember the transition from Under My Skin to The Best Damn Thing? She went from this Evanescence dark goth to all things pink bright and shiny. I was one of the fans back then that found it hard to swallow and temporarily stopped supporting Avril.
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Post by TomX on Mar 22, 2022 2:24:22 GMT
I don't even know what she means by "classic rock album". Because it would be one thing to say she's working on a "classical rock album" which would take me back to the 80s, than her saying she's working on a "classic rock record", which makes it sound like she's going towards a solid, guitar-driven album with more mid-tempos and ballads. Classic and classical mean two different things, IMO. That is something I could see her doing in AL8 or AL9. If she goes back to pop-rock (nothing in AL is pop-rock for instance, so let's talk about the real pop-rock found in LG and UMS) I'd be down. She does magic when she blends her voice with real live drums and guitars, no need for it to be necessarily pop-punk.
I don't see her going back to the jazz-y vibe in HAW. She showed cero emotion towards those songs and left them to dry. I think she just got carried away that since she loved the genre, she would love performing it as much, but that wasn't the case. I don't even see her doing an album like HAW overall again. I think she's closed the casket on that.
By the way, I love Cassidy's latest album, which has some strong pop-rock vibes with slight country influences. That's the most country I can see Avril doing. or even something like Speak Now or RED, but no way she'd do a full-on country album, I just can't see that happening lol.
Like Taylor Swift said, a man can release the same type music over and over again and get critical acclaim no matter what, but a woman is expected to keep reinventing herself. It shouldn't be like that. We never put this pressure on men as much as we do on women. It's just a matter of looking into music history to see it. Not saying all men do not reinvent themselves, but there's like X1000 more pressure on women to keep switching genres, lyrical content and overall image, and it's a fact.
In my personal opinion, I wouldn't mind her staying in this pop-punk genre like so many male bands have done and still fill out entire arenas and have N1 albums. But I would take a different approach lyrically since she's definitely not a teenager anymore and needs to tackle other subjects. Avalanche is a great example of how relatable her lyrics can be to someone in their mid-20s or 30s. We need more from where that came from.
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Post by alex123 on Mar 22, 2022 2:27:44 GMT
For me, the deluxe version of Love Sux will be enough for her to move on. I don't even think pop punk is mainstream. It's just a niche genre that's gotten relevant again. I'm glad she's found her tribe but I don't see what more she has to contribute to the genre or how long it will last. I don't care that she's turning 40 and making this music, I just care about her making music I can relate to as an adult. Love Sux makes me feel like a teenager. It's fun for one record. I would like her to make pop rock music again. I think that's the real genre people want back not pop punk. I'm talking songs like Complicated or Since U Been Gone. I have no idea what she means by classic rock. ACDC, Joan Jett, Led Zeppelin, Pat Benatar, Fleetwood Mac, Queen all come up when I search classic rock. I enjoy this music but I've heard all her work and I honestly can't imagine her pulling it off and her voice... I think country music is a great area for her to explore and she's been talking about it since HAW era. I don't think she needs to make a whole country album. Nowadays, you got Kacey Musgraves, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini making albums that make me wonder if they're really country. They just have that country element of storytelling, real instruments, well put lyrics (mostly because some songs are still about comparing women to cars and stuff lol but nice songs nonetheless). I'm scared she may do the bro country version of Bitchin' Summer (drinking beer on the back of my truck featuring Florida Georgia Line) 💀 I would really like a mix of Carrie (class), Miranda (sass), Maddie & Tae (relatability), Maren Morris (versitality), and thoughtful lyrics that she can only get with working with professional songwriters. The country community has a great relationship between artists and songwriters. Avril can work with other musicians she likes but she will need to be open to working with songwriters. THIS! I think my opinion would be a bit of the first 4 options, of course it works quite well for Avril after all they are her true roots, but she really needs to have that narration, the thing that makes us imagine a full story or songs that have a BEAUTIFUL message, and if it is already difficult for her to make 1 song of that type (she said so herself) so imagine what it would be like to make a full album!, would it really make her that BAD to work with a few professional writers?, seriously it's not that hard to admit that she's not the best writer in the universe, plus I'm a sucker for these kinds of songs, so if you're going to give me a country/folk album I want quality writing but QUALITY, that exceeds my expectations or made my head explodes something like this: Well... maybe expect for a ''jolene'' or a ''the beat of black wings'' is a TOO MUCH TO ASK really HAHAHAHAH but what I mean is that if she decides to go with this sound, I'm really going to wait for some quality, because I respect folk music TOO much to excuse the lack of mature writing on an album coz' ''it was for fun'' like I do with pop-punk, because I really respect folk music works too much to another ''na-na-na not another breakup'', I mean Sabrina carpenter quite impressed me with skinny dipping The narration, the story, the form and the feeling that it expresses and the development that is given to the song, of course it is nothing to write home about, but I liked it, and if avril decides to go for country/folk music I want something more or less like this, obviously expecting a level of JONI MITCHELL is too much I think i exaggerated lol, but at least something that impresses me enough to say "what a great job avril" as sabrina did with Skinny dipping On the classic rock side I have no opinion xD because I don't know what exactly she means by classic rock, ACDC? Joan Jett? Led Zeppelin? Queen? Alanis Morissette? Nirvana? Not to mention she's terrible at describing genres so no comment on that side. Sorry for the long text haha.
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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 22, 2022 3:36:42 GMT
When I think of alternative rock meets folk and country, I think of song like this. It has the perfect mix of live guitars, live drums and with some harmonica as an added texture for that folk/country sound.
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Post by Jinkxx on Mar 22, 2022 12:31:07 GMT
I would be down for any genre and I like to see how she would pull this whole country thing off! Like you guys said with the lyrics thing she needs to sit down with songwriters and she doesn’t like that or she has to have a click with someone and the people she works with now aren’t country writers tho ModSun talked about the genre country with Avril so maybe he can give her some tips?
But I think she can do one pop punk album after LS but that’s it I think. It’s a fun genre but also it can become quite boring easily.
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Post by deadscreams88 on Mar 23, 2022 5:21:03 GMT
I would be down for any genre and I like to see how she would pull this whole country thing off! Like you guys said with the lyrics thing she needs to sit down with songwriters and she doesn’t like that or she has to have a click with someone and the people she works with now aren’t country writers tho ModSun talked about the genre country with Avril so maybe he can give her some tips? But I think she can do one pop punk album after LS but that’s it I think. It’s a fun genre but also it can become quite boring easily. Do you guys remember the shock the fandom experienced when Avril switched from UMS to TBDT? I'm kinda wondering if its going to be almost deja vu (no pun intended) if she switch genres again after this album
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