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Post by TomX on May 5, 2022 20:46:50 GMT
IMO HAW is such a mediocre video from a production, editing point of view. The chroma keying is so obvious and at times her and the background don’t even blend well together, the movement of the camera isn’t tracked and it’s a mess. I do give it points for taking a different approach and filming it in Iceland, but even the double they used is so obvious from the very first shot it kills the magic. Definitely one of her worst videos to one of her best songs. WTH, Smile, HTNGU are much better videos. I feel people just rank a video high sometimes even if it’s not really good just because they have a strong attachment to the song itself. HTNGU is a completely forgettable song for me, but the video is among her best and most nostalgic ones, I absolutely love it.
Sad to see so many LS songs out already. Only Bite Me made it to the Top 10. I think they all deserve to be at least in the top 30, but that’s just my opinion. Definitely Bite Me, FU, Deja Vu, Avalanche and BOAH are among my top 15 for sure.
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Post by iwim on May 6, 2022 2:27:00 GMT
Today's update adds songs 11 - 50. That leaves only the top ten videos and songs to be revealed. We will post those tomorrow. By process of elimination, anyone can figure out what is in the top ten videos and songs. Does anyone want to try to do that and guess the order? Challenge issued. This is my bet:
1 My happy ending 2 I'm with you 3 Don't tell me 4 Nobody's home 5 Complicated 6 Keep Holding on 7 Bite me 8 Head above water 9 Fall to pieces 10 Birdie
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 6, 2022 3:46:19 GMT
Today's update adds songs 11 - 50. That leaves only the top ten videos and songs to be revealed. We will post those tomorrow. By process of elimination, anyone can figure out what is in the top ten videos and songs. Does anyone want to try to do that and guess the order? Challenge issued. This is my bet:
1 My happy ending 2 I'm with you 3 Don't tell me 4 Nobody's home 5 Complicated 6 Keep Holding on 7 Bite me 8 Head above water 9 Fall to pieces 10 Birdie
Good effort. You did correctly name the top ten. Only one of your picks was right on. Three of them were pretty far off. The rest were pretty close. .
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Post by Jinkxx on May 6, 2022 10:46:06 GMT
This is my bet:
1 My happy ending 2 I'm with you 3 Don't tell me 4 Nobody's home 5 Complicated 6 Keep Holding on 7 Bite me 8 Head above water 9 Fall to pieces 10 Birdie
Good effort. You did correctly name the top ten. Only one of your picks was right on. Three of them were pretty far off. The rest were pretty close. . So if iwim named the top 10 correctly I wanna make a bet too with those songs mentioned. 1. I’m with you 2. Complicated 3. My happy ending 4. Nobody’s home 5. Don’t tell me 6. Keep holding on 7. Birdie 8. HAW 9. Bite me 10. Fall to pieces
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Post by DC Lascelle on May 6, 2022 12:54:54 GMT
Wow, 'Lights Out' is an amazing song. It has to be in my Top 5 Avril songs for sure. I'd love to see an 'official' release of it someday.
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 6, 2022 13:32:59 GMT
Good effort. You did correctly name the top ten. Only one of your picks was right on. Three of them were pretty far off. The rest were pretty close. . So if iwim named the top 10 correctly I wanna make a bet too with those songs mentioned. 1. I’m with you 2. Complicated 3. My happy ending 4. Nobody’s home 5. Don’t tell me 6. Keep holding on 7. Birdie 8. HAW 9. Bite me 10. Fall to pieces Maybe we could make this a contest next time. We could offer a prize like a Lear jet, Ferrari, Hollywood vacation or a t-shirt. 😂 We would need a scoring system. A perfect score would be zero. the number of places your guesses are different from the actual position would be subtracted, as in two examples below. iwim 1 My happy ending -1 2 I'm with you -1 3 Don't tell me -2 4 Nobody's home 0 5 Complicated -5 6 Keep Holding on -1 7 Bite me -2 8 Head above water -5 9 Fall to pieces -3 10 Birdie -2 Total -22Jinkxx 1. I’m with you 0 2. Complicated -8 3. My happy ending -1 4. Nobody’s home 0 5. Don’t tell me 0 6. Keep holding on -1 7. Birdie -1 8. HAW -5 9. Bite me 0 10. Fall to pieces -4 Total -20 In this example, Jinkxx wins by 2. The bad guess on 'Complicated' was costly but gained ground by guessing correctly the rank of four titles.
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Post by mario on May 6, 2022 13:33:58 GMT
Oh wow VERY strong first impression by "Bite Me" huh? It sure is a banger happy to see it placed in the top 10!
Congrats to "I'm with you" for placing Nr. 1 in songs and "My Happy Ending" for placing Nr. 1 in Music Videos.
I'm honestly not surprised at all that the Big 3 are also the top 3 Albums, I kinda did not expect HAW to be that low though!
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Post by mario on May 6, 2022 13:37:39 GMT
So if iwim named the top 10 correctly I wanna make a bet too with those songs mentioned. 1. I’m with you 2. Complicated 3. My happy ending 4. Nobody’s home 5. Don’t tell me 6. Keep holding on 7. Birdie 8. HAW 9. Bite me 10. Fall to pieces Maybe we could make this a contest next time. We could offer a prize like a Lear jet, Ferrari, Hollywood vacation or a t-shirt. 😂 We would need a scoring system. A perfect score would be zero. the number of places your guesses are different from the actual position would be subtracted, as in two examples below. iwim 1 My happy ending -1 2 I'm with you -1 3 Don't tell me -2 4 Nobody's home 0 5 Complicated -5 6 Keep Holding on -1 7 Bite me -2 8 Head above water -5 9 Fall to pieces -3 10 Birdie -2 Total -22Jinkxx 1. I’m with you 0 2. Complicated -8 3. My happy ending -1 4. Nobody’s home 0 5. Don’t tell me 0 6. Keep holding on -1 7. Birdie -1 8. HAW -5 9. Bite me 0 10. Fall to pieces -4 Total -20 In this example, Jinkxx wins by 2. The bad guess on 'Complicated' was costly but gained ground by guessing correctly the rank of four titles. Ok a Lear jet, Ferrari or a Hollywood vacation all sound tempting but man I always wanted to own a T-Shirt!
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Post by afonso16 on May 6, 2022 14:05:39 GMT
I'm surprised to see Birdie getting this much love, i feel like not many people talk about it. I don't get what is up with "Don't Tell Me", i don't even think it's one of the stronger tracks on UMS, let alone her entire career... Also, I was right in my assessment that the songs from Love Sux don't really stand out in Avril's discography.
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 6, 2022 15:29:50 GMT
I don't get what is up with "Don't Tell Me", i don't even think it's one of the stronger tracks on UMS, let alone her entire career... I believe your thoughts on this song are understandable, from the viewpoint of a relatively young male. I think the viewpoint of a young female would be quite different. My theory is that in this world of oversexualized media content, many young women and girls loved this song and video because a relevant bona fide star told millions of them it was okay to say "NO" to a boy. Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm an older guy and my viewpoint is also likely quite different from yours. I have daughters and grand-daughters. I thought it was great that a young star with a message like this could be a positive role model. It is one of the reasons I developed a great deal of respect for her as a person and an influencer. I gave both the song and video a 10.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 6, 2022 15:40:31 GMT
I’m a woman and while I do appreciate the message of DTM, and like the song, I wouldn’t put it in my top 10 of her entire discography. I guess it just comes down to taste and nostalgia, like any of her other songs. There is not really any particular reason why it was ranked highly IMO.
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Post by katy on May 6, 2022 15:44:09 GMT
I don't get what is up with "Don't Tell Me", i don't even think it's one of the stronger tracks on UMS, let alone her entire career... I believe your thoughts on this song are understandable, from the viewpoint of a relatively young male. I think the viewpoint of a young female would be quite different. My theory is that in this world of oversexualized media content, many young women and girls loved this song and video because a relevant bona fide star told millions of them it was okay to say "NO" to a boy. Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm an older guy and my viewpoint is also likely quite different from yours. I have daughters and grand-daughters. I thought it was great that a young star with a message like this could be a positive role model. It is one of the reasons I developed a great deal of respect for her as a person and an influencer. I gave both the song and video a 10. Agree. I love DTM for more nostalgic reasons (plus the bridge is GREAT), but I remember when I was a teen I played it in the car with my mum and she mentioned she really liked the message behind it. Plus it’s just something a bit different from her - a breakup song but with more of a serious message and I like that. On that note - glad to see DTM so high! I really like it. It brings back so many memories for me of waiting after school every day for it to come on the music channels. I love the bridge, one of my favourites from her. Birdie and Bite Me aren’t top 10 songs for me, but I get why they’re so popular. The rest I pretty much agree with, albeit in a slightly different order. I really like the MHE video but surprised it’s often #1. Girlfriend and Complicated are SO much better imo! They’re so fun. Glad to see DTM and He Wasn’t in the top 10 videos, the HW one is just so Avril. DTM gets a top 10 spot from me just cos her outfit is great. And her floating up into the sky at the end always makes me laugh
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Post by mark on May 6, 2022 19:26:07 GMT
It's always fun seeing these collective rankings! So many different opinions were taken into consideration for this, so it's only natural that we all have somewhat different thoughts about the final results, but I believe that in general a lot of her best songs ranked high, which I'm happy about. I'm With You truly is her best song imo. It's THE song that she sings flawlessly every time, THE song that brings everyone together, THE song with all the feels and all the nostalgia combined. It's just iconic and flawless and it has remained untouchable in her repertoire for all of these 20 years. It's not a surprising victory, but it sure is satisfying. Birdie being in the top 10 was however quite surprising to me. It's one of my personal favorites in recent times, so I'm happy about it getting more recognition. The only song in the top 10 I wouldn't necessarily rank as high is Bite Me, but I understand the momentum behind it. I'm curious to see how it will hold up in the next few years! Now onto the MVs, I'm very happy with MHE taking first place! It's hands down her best MV, imo. I agree with Katy that GF and Complicated are more fun and thus likely more rewatchable, but MHE was the first video to ever truly take my breath away. It's so cinematic, it has just the right mood for the song and it's paced so nicely! Plus, that iconic spin with the ballerina tutu near the end will forever be one of her best little moments in a MV! haha DTM is a nice song, but the MV for it is pretty boring and I'd personally have it more towards the bottom of the list. I believe even Avril herself has said at one point that DTM's MV is the one she'd consider for a redo if she could. I know it's not technically her MV, but since it was up for selection I think Flames could have gotten more love instead. Thanks for all the time and work put into this, Uncle Bob! It was pretty fun!!
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Post by TomX on May 6, 2022 20:13:57 GMT
Head Above Water is too overrated to me. I do think it’s one of her stronger songs, and I’d probably include it among my 20 favorite songs from her, but I have to admit I appreciated it much more when it came out than now. I think it’s a song that hasn’t aged too well and doesn’t hold up to me. The production is missing something, it could’ve used louder guitars and the bridge could’ve been more polished before the epic buildup. I also think it’s too “Cristian” as well? I was born in a Cristian home, but I haven’t considered myself as such in many years, so I just don’t relate much to the song and I barely find myself hearing it anymore. I also have to be in a very particular mood to enjoy it.
I also think Birdie hasn’t aged too well either. Even though I loved it when it came out, I think IFILWTD is a much better track and probably my current favorite off that album. The guitars in Birdie are way too low, and I get the album needed that stripped down sound, hence why the instrumentation wasn’t on the foreground like her vocals, but it would’ve been much better that way. I still love Birdie, IFILWTD and HAW, but not as much as in 2019 when the album came out. What seemed like a tribute to her old music with this album now seems like a very watered down version of her more rock-influenced sound with the release of Love Sux. I guess I was just happy to hear a darker and more UMS-ish sound in those songs back in the day. I never imagined she’d come back to the pop-punk sound as she did in Love Sux, and that is why I think that almost even the weakest songs on this album are better than the rest of HAW and equally good as HAW, Birdie and Devil. (With the exception of LIWYHM and Kiss Me). I hope all this made sense lol.
I’m really glad Bite Me made it to the Top 10. I would’ve been even more satisfied with Avalanche making it to the Top as well, but we’ll see what happens next time!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 20:28:58 GMT
I never understood why she had to make the song Hello Kitty and who told her to.Its easily the worst Avril Lavigne song for me,even though the self titled album is a really,really good album as a whole.
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