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Post by pllforlife on Feb 27, 2024 17:55:09 GMT
This is like the 4th time you bring this argument somewhere in this forum. I am sorry that you are so hurt by your friends comments about Avril and you truly seem to hate their taste in music. That's fine, whatever. But can you stop trolling people with this nonsense argument, it's kinda annoying... It’s not nonsense it’s literally true I’ve seen high schoolers college kids today it’s literally all they listen to is rap music and people like Kanye and Tyga and all those rappers that’s literally what most Gen z people are into now a days that’s what my point is Idk how this is even part of this thread but bestie, Taylor, Olivia, Sza and Miley all dominated the charts last year. Kanye and Tyga aren’t even close to their levels of popularity…
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Post by katy on Feb 27, 2024 18:43:41 GMT
It’s kinda irrelevant anyway cos Avrils target audience isn’t teens-early 20s. Sure she has some younger fans but most are 30+. No matter what she does she’s not going to appeal to most younger people, she’s not at that stage in her career.
She needs to tailor her music towards the age group most of her fans are in. Whether that’s a LS sound, a country sound, mid-tempo, whatever, but it needs to just mature lyrically/thematically.
Saying that, if she is serious about doing country she needs to jump on that gravy train pretty soon.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Feb 27, 2024 19:23:49 GMT
It’s kinda irrelevant anyway cos Avrils target audience isn’t teens-early 20s. Sure she has some younger fans but most are 30+. No matter what she does she’s not going to appeal to most younger people, she’s not at that stage in her career. She needs to tailor her music towards the age group most of her fans are in. Whether that’s a LS sound, a country sound, mid-tempo, whatever, but it needs to just mature lyrically/thematically. Saying that, if she is serious about doing country she needs to jump on that gravy train pretty soon. Fans grew and Avril didn't. period. Teens don't care about her now.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Feb 27, 2024 19:26:29 GMT
While I think the statement that the general public these days doesn't care for deep lyrics isn't exactly true, skipping past that discussion entirely I would just like to point out that "beats and shit" and deep lyrics by no means are mutually exclusive, the best songs are strong melodically, production wise, AND lyrically. Eh also kinda wrong cuz I’m in my 20s. Literally all my freiendes and even my sister who is 14 all they listen to is rap music. Literally during the whole tyga fiasco last year they were like “stfu who cares Tyga fire he’s so good rack city bitch” literally a friend showed me this song and it was so bad and he’s like no it’s so fire it would go so hard in a club. So basically todays generation of males do really only listen to rap music you love Tyga
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 19:29:30 GMT
Eh also kinda wrong cuz I’m in my 20s. Literally all my freiendes and even my sister who is 14 all they listen to is rap music. Literally during the whole tyga fiasco last year they were like “stfu who cares Tyga fire he’s so good rack city bitch” literally a friend showed me this song and it was so bad and he’s like no it’s so fire it would go so hard in a club. So basically todays generation of males do really only listen to rap music you love Tyga No i dont. I have friends who do tho i just used him as an example
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 19:30:32 GMT
It’s kinda irrelevant anyway cos Avrils target audience isn’t teens-early 20s. Sure she has some younger fans but most are 30+. No matter what she does she’s not going to appeal to most younger people, she’s not at that stage in her career. She needs to tailor her music towards the age group most of her fans are in. Whether that’s a LS sound, a country sound, mid-tempo, whatever, but it needs to just mature lyrically/thematically. Saying that, if she is serious about doing country she needs to jump on that gravy train pretty soon. Fans grew and Avril didn't. period. Teens don't care about her now. Teens dont care about alot of 2000s artists anymore. She is 2000s dude early 2000s. Teens now like current stuff And before you say "What ABout Taylor" Shes the one exception and alsos didnt really get popular until 2012 with Red And before yous ay "What about Taylor" Shes the one exception, and didnt really get popular until 2012
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Post by katy on Feb 27, 2024 21:03:15 GMT
Taylor is obviously a whole different league but she is a great example of an artist whose music matured with their fan base. She went from the teen/high school love songs with a perfect fairytale image of love, onto a first adult heartbreak then to the whole range of topics she’s covering now. Kelsea Ballerini another example of that, to a lesser extent. Her divorce EP is fantastic.
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Post by blackmage on Feb 27, 2024 22:35:34 GMT
I wouldn't say "teens don't care about Avril" because just look at how much praise she's receiving from this new generation of artists like Billie, Olivia, Willow, etc. She certainly still has appeal among Gen Z but not enough to make her a big artist again (honestly, Idc that much about that cause her situation is somehow better than her peers when we compare her streaming numbers and etc...)... the fact that she's almost 40 doesn't influence that.
Lana Del Rey is also among the top 5 biggest artists on streaming platforms and she's almost the same age as Avril... Beyoncé is even older and just reached number #1 this week and had recent viral songs on TikTok. The reason is that... yes, Avril's songs haven't matured enough like these artists, but it's not only that. Her career management during the 2010s was a COMPLETE mess. Things got better just during LS. And well... I'm honestly not sure if she was really trying to target the Gen Z as her main audience because, look at the Love Sux promotion, she basically just attended programs aimed at soccer moms like Kelly, Ellen, GMA, etc., instead of trying to target a younger audience more. The HAW album (apart from DB) is also a pure hot-adult-contemporary attempt. In my opinion, I think she truly believes she's doing something more mature.
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Post by bluevelvet on Feb 28, 2024 1:53:45 GMT
Teens dont like her cause her style never change, sometimes it feels like she's stucked in 2007, and not in an asthetical way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2024 2:14:02 GMT
Teens dont like her cause her style never change, sometimes it feels like she's stucked in 2007, and not in an asthetical way. Not really I don’t even think teens today know her
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Post by ame · 雨 on Feb 28, 2024 13:18:50 GMT
My 2 cents about Avril and what people listens to lol. im also in my 20s (tho...closer to 30 than i would want to 😭) anyway:
i think "what people this day listents to" is a very tricky subject. Who are we talking about exactly? Gen Z in general? Emos? Anime fans? Kpop fans? It really depends on the demographic and before you say anything: everything can happen, that's how BTS got to the top of the charts and that's why kpop groups are dominating the physical sales. It's a very complicated topic. In Japan, even tho they do listen to some very well know western artists, their taste is different, they support their local artists a lot. Same for S.Korea and China. Having this american-european centered view of music is not accurate at all. For instance, i can name 6 kpop albums from last year that sold quite a lot more than Midnights by Taylor Swift. (if any curious these are the names of the albums: FML, Seventeenth Heaven, 5-Star, ISTJ, Rock Star, Temptation) And that's just 2023.
I think most people listen to whatever it's on the radio. Most of my colleagues from college or high school didn't really had a "favorite artist" or a famous people they stan. Therefore they didn't really care about the music they listend to as long as it was "catchy" or in my case bc of my region (Spain) something with beat and rythm so they could dance, party and twerk, which was pretty much latin music, reaggaetton and varionts of these electro-dance-trap songs.
What i saw in most recent years is the interest for the 80s and 90s style music and aesthetically, from Dua Lipa to even Taylor or Olivia. To some extent there's also this nostalgia for the 00s with punk and emo, but i think smaller bc it's a recent era somehow and some of these artists are still active (Avril fro example).
I do have to agree that people care more and more about lyrics and are very critical in this aspect, and that's something good, raising the standards of good lyricism is a plus for everyone. I don't really think someone aged 14-15 could really care or understand 100% the depth of good lyrics so for sure they won't care that much about it. I think what lbs2022 is talking about is a specific demographic of "mean girls" (and boys), people you usually see in the early 00s movies that are cool and chick but empty inside. Like...i have met so many people that simply don't care about music or lyrics or anything in general. Those people don't really have an opinion on anything so that of course reflects on their music taste as well: basic beats and lame melodies and just rythm. Again: reagaetton is still very popular and for the most part its just beat and "oh pretty lady let's spend the night together" (that's very PG actually lol). My point is that these people do exist so let's not be too harsh on others bc i think it was a valid opinion at least and it had it's substance.
Going back to today's trends, i think it's mostly us (aka the fans) of whatever artist that bring them to the top. the GP doesn't care about Taylor, that's why she has so many haters. It's just that she build up her fandom as big or probably bigger than the general public's opinion. She did that with hard work, good music and good lyricism. That doesn't mean she's what most people like or listen to. From 2020 to 2022 Bad Bunny was the most listened artist on Spotify. and he's way out of my music taste BUT it shows that it really depends on the demographic you'r talking about.
Most people in Japan would probably even ignore Taylor if Kenshi Yonezu was nearby (kenshi who? Exactly...) xD
Anyway, (and sorry for the long post) i think Avril should just improve her songwritting skills. Nothing wrong with keeping it punk. Fake as Hell is one of my favorite collabs of her and the song is great, and i think even tho it's still pop-punk, i can see the difference with the LS catalogue. It's all about exploring new nuances of the same genre, and definitely new topics to talk about.
LG 2.0 or UMS 2.0 is her safest bet honestly. Is she wants to please both the fandom and the GP. Country, even tho probably beneficial for her growth as an artist, i think would confuse the fandom and the GP. Unless is something more toned down in the spirit of LG inspired songs. If she goes full on country we'll have to wait and see the results lol.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 28, 2024 23:14:38 GMT
All your words make sense, but I don’t think Fake as Hell is a good song nor it have good lyrics.
It’s a pretty basic song, in lyrics and rhythms. It’s not modern, If they told me it was a leak from 2010 I could believe it with no doubt. 😅 I’m sorry to bring Modsun out but I think Flames is a very great song from start to finish for example and I’m sure he’s behind all the few great lyrics of love sux, Deja vu and Avalanche. I hope she works with great songwriters for the new era and that she can create something epic. Some new “cult” songs regardless of how well they will chart.
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Post by doubtfire on Feb 28, 2024 23:49:33 GMT
I don’t think most teens today even know who Avril is. They might have heard of her, would recognize some of her songs, but she hasn’t charted well in over a decade… she’s just not part of their music lexicon, nor should she be. That’s why she should be making music for her adult fans. People like Olivia know her because they’re passionate about music and work in the industry, but Renee Rapp saying she didn’t know who Kylie Minogue was is a perfect example of Olivia being an exception for knowing 2000’s artists, not the example. Also, Gen Z is not the only demographic using Spotify lol… part of Taylor’s success is that she’s multigenerational. Plus, you have gender at play as well… while most guys in high school may listen to rap and country, a lot of the girls may listen to a broader range of music. So there’s a lot at play for many of the arguments I’m seeing in here
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 29, 2024 0:35:04 GMT
I would bet any younger kids today that know Avril most likely heard of her through the artists they listen to, like Olivia or Willow. Or their parents, a lot of us are old enough to have kids by now.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Feb 29, 2024 11:14:39 GMT
All your words make sense, but I don’t think Fake as Hell is a good song nor it have good lyrics. It’s a pretty basic song, in lyrics and rhythms. It’s not modern, If they told me it was a leak from 2010 I could believe it with no doubt. 😅 I’m sorry to bring Modsun out but I think Flames is a very great song from start to finish for example and I’m sure he’s behind all the few great lyrics of love sux, Deja vu and Avalanche. I hope she works with great songwriters for the new era and that she can create something epic. Some new “cult” songs regardless of how well they will chart. I love Flames too but the lyrics are pretty much as basic or even worse than Fake as hell xD but the structure of the song, melodies, intrumentation and delivery from both sides is great. And yes, i also agree that he probably had a lot of input in LS. i can hear it some phrases that i've heard them before in his songs too, or vocabulary or even voice delivery that just doesn't like a "normal" avril song, but it does sound like how he would sing it... So yeah, whether we like it or not, he was part of why LS is a great album.
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