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Post by doubtfire on Mar 1, 2024 20:23:04 GMT
I would bet any younger kids today that know Avril most likely heard of her through the artists they listen to, like Olivia or Willow. Or their parents, a lot of us are old enough to have kids by now. Yup, that’s how my niece knows of her, through my sister. I doubt any of her classmates talk about Avril, and why would they
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Post by aprilvineyard on Mar 1, 2024 21:05:01 GMT
All your words make sense, but I don’t think Fake as Hell is a good song nor it have good lyrics. It’s a pretty basic song, in lyrics and rhythms. It’s not modern, If they told me it was a leak from 2010 I could believe it with no doubt. 😅 I’m sorry to bring Modsun out but I think Flames is a very great song from start to finish for example and I’m sure he’s behind all the few great lyrics of love sux, Deja vu and Avalanche. I hope she works with great songwriters for the new era and that she can create something epic. Some new “cult” songs regardless of how well they will chart. Totally agree on your point about mod and songwriting input
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Post by mercuryretrograde on Mar 10, 2024 21:27:13 GMT
I don’t think most teens today even know who Avril is. They might have heard of her, would recognize some of her songs, but she hasn’t charted well in over a decade… she’s just not part of their music lexicon, nor should she be. That’s why she should be making music for her adult fans. People like Olivia know her because they’re passionate about music and work in the industry, but Renee Rapp saying she didn’t know who Kylie Minogue was is a perfect example of Olivia being an exception for knowing 2000’s artists, not the example. Also, Gen Z is not the only demographic using Spotify lol… part of Taylor’s success is that she’s multigenerational. Plus, you have gender at play as well… while most guys in high school may listen to rap and country, a lot of the girls may listen to a broader range of music. So there’s a lot at play for many of the arguments I’m seeing in here Im from 07 (16 years old and i discovered avril right before the Bite Me era back in 2021 and i discovered her through her old music and since then ive heard every single one of her songs including the b sides most everybody that i know knows who she is as well her classics are EXTREMELY popular amongst us but the excuse is always “I dont listen to her because its not avril its melissa”🤦🏻♂️
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Post by mfprince on Mar 11, 2024 4:22:42 GMT
I don’t think most teens today even know who Avril is. They might have heard of her, would recognize some of her songs, but she hasn’t charted well in over a decade… she’s just not part of their music lexicon, nor should she be. That’s why she should be making music for her adult fans. People like Olivia know her because they’re passionate about music and work in the industry, but Renee Rapp saying she didn’t know who Kylie Minogue was is a perfect example of Olivia being an exception for knowing 2000’s artists, not the example. Also, Gen Z is not the only demographic using Spotify lol… part of Taylor’s success is that she’s multigenerational. Plus, you have gender at play as well… while most guys in high school may listen to rap and country, a lot of the girls may listen to a broader range of music. So there’s a lot at play for many of the arguments I’m seeing in here Im from 07 (16 years old and i discovered avril right before the Bite Me era back in 2021 and i discovered her through her old music and since then ive heard every single one of her songs including the b sides most everybody that i know knows who she is as well her classics are EXTREMELY popular amongst us but the excuse is always “I dont listen to her because its not avril its melissa”🤦🏻♂️ Thank you for sharing that! It's great to see that her music is being discovered by new generations as well. And the conspiracy 🥲 I dont know what makes it continue to this date
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Post by Panchali on Mar 13, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
It’s interesting to see how specific western music is with regards to age group. In my country everyone listens to mostly everything. Old and new music. The lyrics aren’t specific to an age group. It’s mostly written by old poets who are really aged 😂
On another note when I was a kid Avril introduced me to Alanis and Shania Twain 🙂
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Post by elina on Mar 14, 2024 9:54:06 GMT
It’s interesting to see how specific western music is with regards to age group. In my country everyone listens to mostly everything. Old and new music. The lyrics aren’t specific to an age group. It’s mostly written by old poets who are really aged 😂 On another note when I was a kid Avril introduced me to Alanis and Shania Twain 🙂 Ive read that teenage rebellion as a concept/phenomenon is not recognised in Asian countries, apparently because the society and culture is so collective vs Western individualistic culture. Perhaps this is something similar. Teenagers in your country do not feel the need to rebel against parents by listening to something their parents would hate?
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Post by Panchali on Mar 14, 2024 16:50:20 GMT
It’s interesting to see how specific western music is with regards to age group. In my country everyone listens to mostly everything. Old and new music. The lyrics aren’t specific to an age group. It’s mostly written by old poets who are really aged 😂 On another note when I was a kid Avril introduced me to Alanis and Shania Twain 🙂 Ive read that teenage rebellion as a concept/phenomenon is not recognised in Asian countries, apparently because the society and culture is so collective vs Western individualistic culture. Perhaps this is something similar. Teenagers in your country do not feel the need to rebel against parents by listening to something their parents would hate? You make a very good point about the collective culture and music is a big part of daily lives . Pop music doesn’t exist much here.. it’s mostly cinema music that’s popular. So the singers are mostly playback singers and their only focus is singing. They are always classically trained.. and don’t care to write. Also writing in Indian languages is tough 😭 We also listen to like really old Indian music .. like 1960s . It still sounds very good. There are singers who have had careers from like 1960s to 2000s.. they always play retro songs on the radio after 9 PM.
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Post by Panchali on Mar 14, 2024 17:40:22 GMT
elina Just realised we have songs that worship parents or are about missing parents, and songs about parent and kids love. 🤭 Literally lyrics like.. forgive us god .. we will take our parents make before your name 🫠
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Post by elina on Mar 15, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
Ive read that teenage rebellion as a concept/phenomenon is not recognised in Asian countries, apparently because the society and culture is so collective vs Western individualistic culture. Perhaps this is something similar. Teenagers in your country do not feel the need to rebel against parents by listening to something their parents would hate? You make a very good point about the collective culture and music is a big part of daily lives . Pop music doesn’t exist much here.. it’s mostly cinema music that’s popular. So the singers are mostly playback singers and their only focus is singing. They are always classically trained.. and don’t care to write. Also writing in Indian languages is tough 😭 We also listen to like really old Indian music .. like 1960s . It still sounds very good. There are singers who have had careers from like 1960s to 2000s.. they always play retro songs on the radio after 9 PM. It's so fascinating to learn of how different something like music can be in a different part of the world!
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Post by Jimmyzz on Mar 15, 2024 8:50:41 GMT
It’s interesting to see how specific western music is with regards to age group. In my country everyone listens to mostly everything. Old and new music. The lyrics aren’t specific to an age group. It’s mostly written by old poets who are really aged 😂 On another note when I was a kid Avril introduced me to Alanis and Shania Twain 🙂 Ive read that teenage rebellion as a concept/phenomenon is not recognised in Asian countries, apparently because the society and culture is so collective vs Western individualistic culture. Perhaps this is something similar. Teenagers in your country do not feel the need to rebel against parents by listening to something their parents would hate? These maybe exceptions, but I would argue that in Japan and South Korea youthful rebellion is very much alive and well today.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Mar 15, 2024 11:51:47 GMT
I don’t think most teens today even know who Avril is. They might have heard of her, would recognize some of her songs, but she hasn’t charted well in over a decade… she’s just not part of their music lexicon, nor should she be. That’s why she should be making music for her adult fans. People like Olivia know her because they’re passionate about music and work in the industry, but Renee Rapp saying she didn’t know who Kylie Minogue was is a perfect example of Olivia being an exception for knowing 2000’s artists, not the example. Also, Gen Z is not the only demographic using Spotify lol… part of Taylor’s success is that she’s multigenerational. Plus, you have gender at play as well… while most guys in high school may listen to rap and country, a lot of the girls may listen to a broader range of music. So there’s a lot at play for many of the arguments I’m seeing in here That's comum. Remember when Avril was 18 and didn't who David Bowie was? Everyone was shocked. She was also sold as a rock artist on her debut but she didn't know many classic rock albums: www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/avril-lavigne-little-miss-cant-be-wrong-180369/
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Post by falling on Mar 15, 2024 13:48:43 GMT
I don’t think most teens today even know who Avril is. They might have heard of her, would recognize some of her songs, but she hasn’t charted well in over a decade… she’s just not part of their music lexicon, nor should she be. That’s why she should be making music for her adult fans. People like Olivia know her because they’re passionate about music and work in the industry, but Renee Rapp saying she didn’t know who Kylie Minogue was is a perfect example of Olivia being an exception for knowing 2000’s artists, not the example. Also, Gen Z is not the only demographic using Spotify lol… part of Taylor’s success is that she’s multigenerational. Plus, you have gender at play as well… while most guys in high school may listen to rap and country, a lot of the girls may listen to a broader range of music. So there’s a lot at play for many of the arguments I’m seeing in here That's comum. Remember when Avril was 18 and didn't who David Bowie was? Everyone was shocked. She was also sold as a rock artist on her debut but she didn't know many classic rock albums: www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/avril-lavigne-little-miss-cant-be-wrong-180369/ha ha this interview is so funny and sweet. It reminded me of me, who has no idea how to pronounce some musicians that I may even like. LOL Even now I can’t understand why Avril's last name is pronounced the way it is😅
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Post by ame · 雨 on Mar 15, 2024 13:49:28 GMT
I never understood the logic of knowing your predecessors. They asked me to do the same in art school and i just didn't get it. Just because you make pop music, you're supposed to know or like Michael Jackson or Madonna?
I love pop-rock music and emo music and yet, my knowledge of artistry and pioneers in the genre is very limited since 1. internet at the time was not that good to spend all day searching and 2. i also didn't have the passion to do it.
So Avril not knowing who David Bowie was shouldn't be controversial at all. It's just common and i'm kinda pissed people always discredited her bc she didn't have this rock background like wth?
(on a more recent note and theory i have is that Olivia bareley even knew who Avril was until they started comparing her to Avril so of course she did her research and became a fan, but she was all taylor team and clearly inspired by her a lot more. the good for u and rock vibes i'm almost sure didn't come from her directly but more from the people she worked with, aka, older generation that knows who paramore and avril are) But that's just a theory and i could be totally wrong since i don't stan Olivia at all.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 15, 2024 16:09:34 GMT
If you’re going to be in the music industry you should at least have some basic familiarity with the legends who came before you. You don’t have to like them or be like a hardcore fan but understanding who and what came before you shows you know who paved the way for you to be where you are. Avril wouldn’t have been as well received as she was for example without female rockers before her like Alanis or Pat Benetar.
I used to watch American Idol a lot when it was still popular and there would almost always be a Beatles week somewhere. There were contestants who said they had never heard a Beatles song before. I totally get not everyone has the same opportunities to be exposed to music as others but for real, you cannot have serious ambitions to be in the music business professionally and not know something as basic as a single Beatles song, the biggest music act of all time who have written tons of classic songs that inspired many of the current artists we have today. Not knowing your history in a field you want to be part of is just nothing but ignorance and arrogance. If you didn’t have the chance to study up on the basics before, that’s understandable, but then you need to start once you enter the field professionally. It’s also very common for artists to get asked about who inspires them or get asked about legendary artists and if you don’t know what they’re talking about, you’ll look really stupid and quickly lose credibility. Nobody took Avril seriously as a rock artist when she barely knew anything about the genre.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Mar 15, 2024 18:06:48 GMT
I never understood the logic of knowing your predecessors. They asked me to do the same in art school and i just didn't get it. Just because you make pop music, you're supposed to know or like Michael Jackson or Madonna? I love pop-rock music and emo music and yet, my knowledge of artistry and pioneers in the genre is very limited since 1. internet at the time was not that good to spend all day searching and 2. i also didn't have the passion to do it. So Avril not knowing who David Bowie was shouldn't be controversial at all. It's just common and i'm kinda pissed people always discredited her bc she didn't have this rock background like wth? (on a more recent note and theory i have is that Olivia bareley even knew who Avril was until they started comparing her to Avril so of course she did her research and became a fan, but she was all taylor team and clearly inspired by her a lot more. the good for u and rock vibes i'm almost sure didn't come from her directly but more from the people she worked with, aka, older generation that knows who paramore and avril are) But that's just a theory and i could be totally wrong since i don't stan Olivia at all. hmm, a bit difficult of Olivia not knowing Avril. She kinda grew up listening to Alanis' Jagged Little Pill album. She even mentioned "Not The Doctor" as her favorite song of this record (non-single).
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