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Post by katy on May 31, 2023 12:22:51 GMT
I get your points guys but thats Avril, I dont expect a Swift from her (and I dont want it, although I like Taylor. I like both for who they are). I sometimes think she does it as a kind of protection, that she does what has worked before and doesnt share her more deep and personal lyrics Like she actually didnt want to put DTLM on the Album because she is so vulnerable in it or she wants to keep private what happened or she wants the song to work with various different situations and people. I think she even said that before. Sure she could come up with some new words but why would she if it works this way as well. I agree on this to an extent but I also think frankly she’s just complacent and lazy. She clearly goes with the first draft of lyrics for the most part and doesn’t seem to go through a lot of revisions. There’s a reason why she’s able to write so many songs in a short amount of time. I think she just writes the first thing that comes to mind and moves on to the next thing. Agree with this. And I do think part of the reason we don’t get anything particularly deep from her is just because there’s just not a lot of deep thoughts going on in her head. If you think about someone like Taylor who writes fantastic lyrics, yeah we can argue she’s immature in some ways but she’s also incredibly intelligent. No offence to Avril but.. she just doesn’t seem very clever lol (which is why working with pro songwriters sometimes would be great for her.. and us)
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 31, 2023 13:32:20 GMT
I think part of Avril’s issue is she doesn’t expose herself to a lot outside her own little bubble. She has said she doesn’t really like reading and reading is how you learn more vocabulary. It’s always the same words with her, as though she hasn’t expanded her vocabulary in 20 years. Taylor got inspired with folklore and evermore because she read a lot of classic books during the pandemic and it influenced her to write more poetic and intricate lyrics. I think if Avril read more books or listened to more music that was different from her own she might be able to expand herself. I was really surprised when she mentioned loving the folklore album because it didn’t seem like it’d be her thing. Sadly I think no matter how many other artists she listens to or goes to see in concert she’ll never make improvements on her own music or live shows. It’s like it either just doesn’t occur to her or she’s happy with how things are. To an extent I appreciate that she isn’t trying to be like anyone else and recognizes what she brings to the table is unique and she should feel that way about herself as an artist, but I wish she’d see what other artists are doing in terms of live shows or how they market their music, putting out unreleased songs, etc. and take notes.
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Post by shessolucky on May 31, 2023 18:45:26 GMT
I agree with you guys, its true. Its just that I dont expect her to change that much.
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Post by aprilvineyard on May 31, 2023 19:33:57 GMT
I agree with you guys, its true. Its just that I dont expect her to change that much. I've given up at this point, in the nicest way I can say that
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Post by crylerjames23 on May 31, 2023 20:34:02 GMT
Hurricane season in Florida is upon us soon. I really want to hear Dancing With A Hurricane before then lol
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Post by calado on Jun 1, 2023 8:29:01 GMT
Absolutely! I listened to Won't Let You Go just the other day and I love it right away! It has the Avril vibe/sound from past eras and I can't be the only one who gets a nostalgic feeling from it, right? It should be officially released so more people will hear the song and its message.
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Post by gabbox on Jun 1, 2023 9:29:17 GMT
The problem is that the song is from The Best Damn Thing. It was leaked online 11 years ago, so now it did all its streams on YouTube and SoundCloud. How much realistically could she earn from posting it on Spotify now? too long time has passed and it's not a song she would promote anyways.
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Post by elina on Jun 1, 2023 9:40:42 GMT
It's weird to consider that Alanis Morrissette was 21 when Jagged Little Pill was released. Those lyrics are still light years ahead of Avril's.
I do think the content of her lyrics have matured but the word play is still mostly with meaningless na-nas etc. I'm not complaining though, I've never paid that much attention to lyrics and they are fairly inconsequential to my enjoyment of music. With Alanis' music it's just impossible to not notice how talented she is with words.
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Post by erikvaze on Jun 1, 2023 9:41:24 GMT
The problem is that the song is from The Best Damn Thing. It was leaked online 11 years ago, so now it did all its streams on YouTube and SoundCloud. How much realistically could she earn from posting it on Spotify now? too long time has passed and it's not a song she would promote anyways. This is my fave ballad of her i would die if she release it officially.
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Post by shessolucky on Jun 1, 2023 11:12:47 GMT
I really love Wont Let You Go as well, its so good that I always forget it was just a leak. Its better than Fly in my opinion.
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Post by gabbox on Jun 1, 2023 11:42:26 GMT
I love Won't let you Go a lot too, just I don't earn anything from it being released officially. It would just change something for Avril, but for us? I don't get it..
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 1, 2023 11:52:28 GMT
Idk how the streams of Make Up are doing but that song was leaked years ago too, though to be fair I don’t think it was ever a highly popular B-side to begin with. But whenever I want to listen to the song I listen to the officially released version instead of the ripped version from YouTube. So even though WLYG is very old, I think if it were put on Spotify, etc. legally most fans would definitely stream it there. It’d certainly be better quality at least.
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Post by calado on Jun 1, 2023 13:51:21 GMT
I love Won't let you Go a lot too, just I don't earn anything from it being released officially. It would just change something for Avril, but for us? I don't get it.. When I wrote my previous comment I didn't have a full scale single release with promo in mind. I was thinking of a song on the next album (if it fits musically) or on a B-Side (do they still exist?) or on a Best-of. If as a standalone-single, a surprise release like Lana Del Rey recently did ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_Yes_to_Heaven#Background_and_release). This was a reworked new version of a leaked song. I agree it wouldn't make a difference for people who are interested in Avril's music enough to look for and listen to leaked songs but for other people, the general public.
By the way I don't think we will see a WLYG release happening. Let Go 20th anniversary edition at least doesn't make it seem impossible.
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Post by aprilvineyard on Jun 1, 2023 14:55:25 GMT
I really love Wont Let You Go as well, its so good that I always forget it was just a leak. Its better than Fly in my opinion. Agree, WAAAYYYYYY better than fly (for me)
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Post by TomX on Jun 1, 2023 15:45:41 GMT
Fly is one of her most forgettable songs ever , tbh.
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