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Post by blackmage on May 21, 2024 2:02:56 GMT
Some artists are critically acclaimed by various music-nerd bubbles on the internet and by respected magazines and sites, yet they remain comfort, 'basic,' lighthearted, and entertaining artists who haven't changed or evolved much, like these Carly Rae Jepsen-type of artists. I have a theory that these artists aren't pressured to change or evolve and keep being acclaimed for doing the same just because they haven't achieved massive commercial success, so people don't constantly hear about them or care enough to complain. I don't think Avril's artistic growth and versatility is much different from that of artists like those that fall under Charli XCX, Carly, categories...
However, because Avril doesn't sing about doing drugs or staying up all night at the club, people often perceive her songs as not as mature as those from these musicians who haven't grown or evolved that much from their first records. And there's nothing wrong with writing about that, of course. I appreciate them a lot myself. But just look at the reviews for 'Love Sux': some say it's immature, while others claim it's a more 'adult' album just because of the f-bombs. I can't take this too seriously. Mature sometimes is so abstract even for those who write critics.
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Post by biggerwow on May 21, 2024 2:06:58 GMT
I think thats astrology she is so Libra haha She is indeed. I, myself, am a libra and can seem pretty weird and unstable. Truth be told, i had a few therapies for personal reasons, and it all came down to the fact that i'm VERY into extremes as a person. Not because i actually want to, but because my personality is made like that. All i do can't ever be grey. It's ALWAYS black or white. Whether it's choosing where to eat or what to do. I think Avril is the exact same here. Isn't it exactly what Anything But Ordinary talks about in some ways ? Living to the extreme to feel everything! (Not in dangerous ways though.) And.. libras are just VERY undecisive persons. Generally speaking. to me Libras are about balance. Yeah, I can be a bit extreme in my thoughts but I'm capable of seeing both sides of the story and that sometimes overwhelms me. I feel like I am in the grey most often with how indecisive can be at times.
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Post by blackmage on May 21, 2024 2:44:22 GMT
I'm slightly into astrology sometimes, and I wonder if there's a thread for it here. I'd love to see someone more experienced checking her astral chart! lol
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Post by metam on May 21, 2024 3:32:02 GMT
Rip UMS 20th Anniversary. π
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Post by erikvaze on May 21, 2024 14:37:32 GMT
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Unfortunately this mediocrity reflects on her music. And no, I'm not expecting her to be the next Taylor Swift or Roger Waters. lol Lol I agree with most of the stuff you say, I am quite critical of Avril nowadays. Also I don't even like Taylor swift. Lol YAY! u both explained shortly what i wanted to say in my longest messages here hehe
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Post by aprilvineyard on May 21, 2024 15:24:53 GMT
I follow several artists besides Avril, although I only consider myself a true "fan" of her and Taylor. Honestly, I don't expect much from Avril because, to ME, she's a comfort artist. I don't listen to her looking for deep lyrics like those of Fiona Apple or Kendrick Lamar, or for intense production and groundbreaking melodies like BjΓΆrk. Honestly, I believe you can enjoy all kinds of music, from the most basic, bubblegum mainstream tracks to the most profound and innovative alternative artists, as long as you understand what each has to offer. Avril will always be a comfort, lighthearted artist, and some people are okay with that. It doesn't mean you don't have a diverse taste in music, maybe you just appreciate different things in different contexts and can appreciate what they can bring to the table. As someone previously said before, 22 years later you are on board or you are not. When it comes to avril I am both on and off board. She has meant so much to me that it's impossible for my love for her to fade, and I'll always check out what she does. I can't help myself. However. I don't even follow her on Instagram because she's so disrespectful to fans, IN MY OPINION. I respect if anyone does not share my opinion. I feel this way because of her total lack of communication, how she thinks of us as just some big mass and not real people who love her (her weird videos thanking us and she just reads blankly from a Tele prompter, like she can't even think of why she appreciates us by herself), never listening to what we want, her live performances for the most part have gotten so bad (again--IN MY OPINION), she's mostly a studio artist at this point when formerly, she always made sure everything was live and that she was actually ready for her performances... she valued her career enough to live up to the challenge back then, but now she's just an "icon" and doesn't feel the need to try. This is all my own opinion. I still love her but because of all this I can't give her my support, I keep my support to myself and to you guys because she doesn't care that she has my support. I'm not a little black star. I'm a human being that expected her to continue playing instruments for real, not faking it. Always to sing live with ZERO back track which was always important to her before. I could go on, but she's frustrated me out of my follow. Does this all make any difference to her? No and that's great for her. But this is my opinion, feeling, and experience as a fan that's been here since THE VERY BEGINNING.
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Post by blackmage on May 21, 2024 15:38:29 GMT
I follow several artists besides Avril, although I only consider myself a true "fan" of her and Taylor. Honestly, I don't expect much from Avril because, to ME, she's a comfort artist. I don't listen to her looking for deep lyrics like those of Fiona Apple or Kendrick Lamar, or for intense production and groundbreaking melodies like BjΓΆrk. Honestly, I believe you can enjoy all kinds of music, from the most basic, bubblegum mainstream tracks to the most profound and innovative alternative artists, as long as you understand what each has to offer. Avril will always be a comfort, lighthearted artist, and some people are okay with that. It doesn't mean you don't have a diverse taste in music, maybe you just appreciate different things in different contexts and can appreciate what they can bring to the table. As someone previously said before, 22 years later you are on board or you are not. When it comes to avril I am both on and off board. She has meant so much to me that it's impossible for my love for her to fade, and I'll always check out what she does. I can't help myself. However. I don't even follow her on Instagram because she's so disrespectful to fans, IN MY OPINION. I respect if anyone does not share my opinion. I feel this way because of her total lack of communication, how she thinks of us as just some big mass and not real people who love her (her weird videos thanking us and she just reads blankly from a Tele prompter, like she can't even think of why she appreciates us by herself), never listening to what we want, her live performances for the most part have gotten so bad (again--IN MY OPINION), she's mostly a studio artist at this point when formerly, she always made sure everything was live and that she was actually ready for her performances... she valued her career enough to live up to the challenge back then, but now she's just an "icon" and doesn't feel the need to try. This is all my own opinion. I still love her but because of all this I can't give her my support, I keep my support to myself and to you guys because she doesn't care that she has my support. I'm not a little black star. I'm a human being that expected her to continue playing instruments for real, not faking it. Always to sing live with ZERO back track which was always important to her before. I could go on, but she's frustrated me out of my follow. Does this all make any difference to her? No and that's great for her. But this is my opinion, feeling, and experience as a fan that's been here since THE VERY BEGINNING. I totally understand your point and I'm not saying that having these opinions are invalid. What I'm saying is that maybe this isn't just about Avril. Do you know the last time BeyoncΓ© gave a video interview or published a video saying (not gesturing or writing) thanks to her fans for any reason? It was probably 10 or almost 15 years ago... Also, look at Pink, she just posts on social media to fight Republicans and other political stuff and barely mentions music-related stuff. Even during her latest album rollout, most of her interviews were about her feud with Christina Aguilera... like... who cares about this beef 20 years later? I mean... I've noticed some people here complaining about talking too much about Taylor, but maybe it's because Taylor is the exception. Other artists who attain "icon" status tend to be more reserved. That's just the norm, whether we like it or not.
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Post by erikvaze on May 21, 2024 16:00:29 GMT
BTW offtopic He Wasn't Music Video is the reference to TBDT when they break the wall and pink liquid is going in the room so we can tell to our kids and new generation that it was easter eggs for a new era) hahah it's GENIUS i didn't think about it before....
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 21, 2024 17:14:48 GMT
Thereβs definitely tons of things Avril could do better to improve her relationship with fans, however I will say she does occasionally respond to her IG comments. She also does free meet and greets after the shows sometimes, not always, but the last couple tours sheβll wait by the bus and meet fans sometimes. I think if she didnβt really care about us, she wouldnβt go out of her way to do something like that. Itβs really cool and kind of her to greet the fans even though she isnβt getting paid for it and probably wants to just get on the bus and leave.
Using backing tracks in concert is incredibly common and just because she uses them doesnβt mean she isnβt still singing live. Most artists use backing tracks. I donβt think itβs a big deal that she uses them. Sheβs not lip synching. The tracks are just there to help get a fuller sound. The only issue is when they overpower her real voice and we hear more of the track than her, but after fans complained during the beginning of the last tour they adjusted it.
The only thing I think she could really do better is get more in tune with what fans want, especially for concert set lists. Sheβll ask for requests but then not play any of them or only play like the 1-2 songs sheβs comfortable with from the entire list sheβs given. But part of the blame for this can also be shifted to her team, who should be paying attention online to what fans are saying and be even more in tune with what fans want to see from her (UMS anniversary for example). Itβs not just her.
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Post by Panchali on May 21, 2024 17:44:47 GMT
Some artists are critically acclaimed by various music-nerd bubbles on the internet and by respected magazines and sites, yet they remain comfort, 'basic,' lighthearted, and entertaining artists who haven't changed or evolved much, like these Carly Rae Jepsen-type of artists. I have a theory that these artists aren't pressured to change or evolve and keep being acclaimed for doing the same just because they haven't achieved massive commercial success, so people don't constantly hear about them or care enough to complain. I don't think Avril's artistic growth and versatility is much different from that of artists like those that fall under Charli XCX, Carly, categories... However, because Avril doesn't sing about doing drugs or staying up all night at the club, people often perceive her songs as not as mature as those from these musicians who haven't grown or evolved that much from their first records. And there's nothing wrong with writing about that, of course. I appreciate them a lot myself. But just look at the reviews for 'Love Sux': some say it's immature, while others claim it's a more 'adult' album just because of the f-bombs. I can't take this too seriously. Mature sometimes is so abstract even for those who write critics. I think she is just restrained in her song writing, she doesn't like revealing too much.
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Post by erikvaze on May 21, 2024 18:05:11 GMT
Some artists are critically acclaimed by various music-nerd bubbles on the internet and by respected magazines and sites, yet they remain comfort, 'basic,' lighthearted, and entertaining artists who haven't changed or evolved much, like these Carly Rae Jepsen-type of artists. I have a theory that these artists aren't pressured to change or evolve and keep being acclaimed for doing the same just because they haven't achieved massive commercial success, so people don't constantly hear about them or care enough to complain. I don't think Avril's artistic growth and versatility is much different from that of artists like those that fall under Charli XCX, Carly, categories... However, because Avril doesn't sing about doing drugs or staying up all night at the club, people often perceive her songs as not as mature as those from these musicians who haven't grown or evolved that much from their first records. And there's nothing wrong with writing about that, of course. I appreciate them a lot myself. But just look at the reviews for 'Love Sux': some say it's immature, while others claim it's a more 'adult' album just because of the f-bombs. I can't take this too seriously. Mature sometimes is so abstract even for those who write critics. I think she is just restrained in her song writing, she doesn't like revealing too much. i think its their policy cause no one from her team never reply, don't see and read mentions and etc, only poor Lauren Christy always give feedback haha i hate it and we can't do anything about it, we can spam to them but it will not help at all, idk what else to do her team is super closed thats sux.
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Post by Razorqo21 on May 21, 2024 20:03:42 GMT
BTW offtopic He Wasn't Music Video is the reference to TBDT when they break the wall and pink liquid is going in the room so we can tell to our kids and new generation that it was easter eggs for a new era) hahah it's GENIUS i didn't think about it before.... Exactly haha she did this easter eggs basically on very start her carrier and I think even Losing Grip is little bit easter egg to UMS cos is really dark MV. I actually like that every album have concept / colour / specific sound not much artists doing that or lets say not that much in 2000 - 2010
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Post by blackmage on May 21, 2024 20:14:09 GMT
Thereβs definitely tons of things Avril could do better to improve her relationship with fans, however I will say she does occasionally respond to her IG comments. She also does free meet and greets after the shows sometimes, not always, but the last couple tours sheβll wait by the bus and meet fans sometimes. I think if she didnβt really care about us, she wouldnβt go out of her way to do something like that. Itβs really cool and kind of her to greet the fans even though she isnβt getting paid for it and probably wants to just get on the bus and leave. Using backing tracks in concert is incredibly common and just because she uses them doesnβt mean she isnβt still singing live. Most artists use backing tracks. I donβt think itβs a big deal that she uses them. Sheβs not lip synching. The tracks are just there to help get a fuller sound. The only issue is when they overpower her real voice and we hear more of the track than her, but after fans complained during the beginning of the last tour they adjusted it. The only thing I think she could really do better is get more in tune with what fans want, especially for concert set lists. Sheβll ask for requests but then not play any of them or only play like the 1-2 songs sheβs comfortable with from the entire list sheβs given. But part of the blame for this can also be shifted to her team, who should be paying attention online to what fans are saying and be even more in tune with what fans want to see from her (UMS anniversary for example). Itβs not just her. 100% agreed. As I said, I follow other artists, and I can easily say this isn't a problem unique to her. Honestly, I feel like she still does a lot. As I mentioned before, even Kelly Clarkson, who consistently delivers great concerts (but all stuck in Vegas, making it impossible for worldwide fans to attend), hasn't released a single music video for her last album and doesn't interact with her fans on social media, backstage, or otherwise. Honestly, Avril has some things (or maybe a lot of things) to improve in her career, but she's far from delivering the worst experience to her fans, as some try to point out here. Btw this is 100% true, that she could've challenge herself more, try to attune with fans in terms of setlists, etc... but to me this is not like the end of the world.
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Post by lucasm on May 21, 2024 22:16:58 GMT
This animation for AL8
I NEED IT
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I follow several artists besides Avril, although I only consider myself a true "fan" of her and Taylor. Honestly, I don't expect much from Avril because, to ME, she's a comfort artist. I don't listen to her looking for deep lyrics like those of Fiona Apple or Kendrick Lamar, or for intense production and groundbreaking melodies like BjΓΆrk. Honestly, I believe you can enjoy all kinds of music, from the most basic, bubblegum mainstream tracks to the most profound and innovative alternative artists, as long as you understand what each has to offer. Avril will always be a comfort, lighthearted artist, and some people are okay with that. It doesn't mean you don't have a diverse taste in music, maybe you just appreciate different things in different contexts and can appreciate what they can bring to the table. As someone previously said before, 22 years later you are on board or you are not. When it comes to avril I am both on and off board. She has meant so much to me that it's impossible for my love for her to fade, and I'll always check out what she does. I can't help myself. However. I don't even follow her on Instagram because she's so disrespectful to fans, IN MY OPINION. I respect if anyone does not share my opinion. I feel this way because of her total lack of communication, how she thinks of us as just some big mass and not real people who love her (her weird videos thanking us and she just reads blankly from a Tele prompter, like she can't even think of why she appreciates us by herself), never listening to what we want, her live performances for the most part have gotten so bad (again--IN MY OPINION), she's mostly a studio artist at this point when formerly, she always made sure everything was live and that she was actually ready for her performances... she valued her career enough to live up to the challenge back then, but now she's just an "icon" and doesn't feel the need to try. This is all my own opinion. I still love her but because of all this I can't give her my support, I keep my support to myself and to you guys because she doesn't care that she has my support. I'm not a little black star. I'm a human being that expected her to continue playing instruments for real, not faking it. Always to sing live with ZERO back track which was always important to her before. I could go on, but she's frustrated me out of my follow. Does this all make any difference to her? No and that's great for her. But this is my opinion, feeling, and experience as a fan that's been here since THE VERY BEGINNING. But.. she does play instruments.. ?
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