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Post by aprilvineyard on May 23, 2024 19:17:58 GMT
Sorry to bitch too much but I have to say. It is NOT ACCEPTABLE to be hungover to the point where your show sucks. Normal, regular everyday people are spending their hard earned money that THEY NEED on her. She does not need their money. They need their money.. Some people are just saying maybe she's hungover. That's not an acceptable excuse. She's a professional. I just had to say. Maybe there's a different excuse but like oneofthoseguys says, she's been this way for years. Dont worry, hangover is just another excuse fans will find to avoid the real thing - her lazyness and her lack of artistry over the last 10 years or more. I absolutely agree. |
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Post by aprilvineyard on May 23, 2024 19:26:10 GMT
And to be honest you guys if she isn't okay, like if she's really sick or something, she needs to come out and be honest with fans about that. She needs to either not be working and be resting, or have a poll with fans asking if they would rather see her or have her not go on tour or something like that while she's ill knowing she won't be at her best. This is getting really ridiculous. If she's sick she can't keep it to herself anymore and act like she's living her best life. Otherwise I can't imagine what is wrong to the point of things being this bad. Yet again though I really do agree that she has been this way for years. It's been very bad for a very long time. Sure we've gotten a couple good performances in the last 10 years but that's about it.
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Post by erikvaze on May 23, 2024 19:38:34 GMT
And to be honest you guys if she isn't okay, like if she's really sick or something, she needs to come out and be honest with fans about that. She needs to either not be working and be resting, or have a poll with fans asking if they would rather see her or have her not go on tour or something like that while she's ill knowing she won't be at her best. This is getting really ridiculous. If she's sick she can't keep it to herself anymore and act like she's living her best life. Otherwise I can't imagine what is wrong to the point of things being this bad. Yet again though I really do agree that she has been this way for years. It's been very bad for a very long time. Sure we've gotten a couple good performances in the last 10 years but that's about it. Exactly!!!! Idk she better be honest if she struggles because of her health and maybe she just has this syndrome like Marina (and the diamonds) when you are just physically more tired than usual people and it may be triggered by Lyme, but it’s been 10 years since so idk, she just maybe don’t exercise at all to be able to breath normally on the stage and just drink beer instead of working out before tour it she don’t look prepared at all not physically not vocally. Merch is good for this tour, idea is good but paying money for it. I mean I wanna see her in Europe since 12 years but I’m not sure I’ll go to her next tour in 2-3 years. Cause it will be the same mayne she will be more lazy. If she can’t give a show - go rest girl. We didn’t ask for this, we would pay any money for a quality. Unfortunately majority of fans will go to any shows for anything and only we (bandaids ppl) will be able to complain. I hate being lbs cause most fans are so…. Careless. And we don’t have a community to be unite to tell smth, be a team and etc it’s kinda sad. The image of Avril we all have is different and her managers don’t read any comments to improve the tour. It’s all looks so fake as hell, when she says one thing and in reality she always do what she wants. They don’t care about fans, she don’t speak to her fans on the stage, there’s no connection like we all “had to come” and she had to perform for us and deep inside she’s like “fuck when this concert will be over im tired I wanna get out and chill with my beer” 🫣 I wish for the summer festival she’ll be better we will see, but maybe I’m happy I haven’t been to her weak tours and the setlist is good for festival I’ll see her at 👀 |
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Post by Anti on May 23, 2024 20:00:09 GMT
Wait I just thought something that might be kinda crazy but possible What if she only includes songs from her first 4 albums the big hits? Cuz those are really her greatest hits plus WTH and smile? And no AL,HAW or LS songs? Honestly if that’s the case I would be down with that and maybe fan request songs of songs on the other 3 albums And she would do that….why? Play Smile which reached #68 but not HTNGU (her last top 20 single)? She’s proud of the legacy she’s built. Her legacy and impact isn’t limited to the first four albums, she’s had “hits” and moments far outside her first 4 records. I think the realistic setlist will be: “Girlfriend" "What the Hell" "Here's to Never Growing Up" "Complicated" “Keep Holding On” "My Happy Ending" "Smile" "Bite Me” “Don’t Tell Me” “When You’re Gone” “Nobody’s Home” “Losing Grip” **Dramatic intro with drums** “Head Above Water” “I’m With You” Encore: “Sk8er Boi” My “realistic” setlist prediction was actually VERY close….which is disappointing because I thought it was the shortest she could make it/ couldn’t NOT do all these songs… 1. This is her CAREER CELEBRATION tour. Was she even on stage for an hour? 2. She has the best selling album by a Canadian female artist in the 21st century. She could literally play Let Go in full, and add singles, and it would amazing. Like it’s not hard! 3. Leaving KHO and Nobody’s Home off your Greatest Hits tour….and replacing them with two flops that weren’t even hits is a damn CHOICE. 4. Her openers played 12 songs. She played 15….wtf? She clearly has full control over her set list and production and doesn’t take any guidance from management….because yikes. 5. it kinda breaks me heart because I wanted to see several shows this tour, get VIP, and celebrate with the songs that have been the soundtrack to my life for 22+ years, but it’s less than the Bite Me tour. Grateful I saw her when I did and likely her last live performance ever of Losing Grip. |
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Post by TamyXD on May 23, 2024 20:09:40 GMT
Looks like someone posted the entire concert! Time stamps are in the video description.
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Post by gabbox on May 23, 2024 20:10:06 GMT
I know it's always the same problem with her (the setlist) but really how can one not complain?
A greatest this tour and you bring ..14 songs? not even Olivia Rodrigo on her first tour did so few. And the 15th song is Fake as Hell (and you replace it instead of Wish You Were Here or Nobody's home) ?? are you okay?
Can you imagine Taylor Swift not performing Cruel Summer or Blank Space at her Eras Tour and doing .. a Lana del Rey Cover instead? People would think she's not healthy.
No, for me, 14 songs (always the same) and a cover, after 22 years of career, is embarrassing for herself. Rejected
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Post by mondragon on May 23, 2024 20:10:33 GMT
Just watched some of the videos of last night on Instagram. I think this may just be a simple case of she just can’t do it anymore. She doesn’t have the stamina. She can’t hit the same notes. She hasn’t looked after her voice. Lyme has affected her, even Shania Twain sounds terrible these days. 15 songs are probably all she can muster. Genuinely worried as this tour is long. I see her in July which is a long way off. She best bring her A game for Glastonbury otherwise she will get annihilated.
Here’s an idea though - if she’s struggling with her voice get some proper backing singers! Not the two from TBDT days. Loads of ppl have them. Pink etc…
I think NH and KHO were dropped because they vocally demanding.
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Post by bluevelvet on May 23, 2024 20:16:10 GMT
This is the same setlist she's been playing the last 3 tours
She wouldnt be abble to give us her best if she didn't exercise...
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Post by blackmage on May 23, 2024 20:42:03 GMT
I mean, it's not unexpected to think that she's performing this way after being sick because that's when it all started. And nobody needs to talk about their struggles, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to be defined by her diagnosis, and that's understandable. I don't think we need to pressure her to talk about her health more than she already did and expected her to always state that she's feeling sick all the time or more than she already did from 2016 to 2019, in interviews, letters, etc. She made it 100% clear that this is a lifelong health problem. It's chronicle and it's probably forever. We all know that. That's not a surprise.
I don't think it is an excuse, and I also think it's kind of disrespectful to ignore something that we all know is true. However, at the same time, considering her health status and possible limitations, she could adapt by singing slower songs instead of just high-energy bangers. She could do medleys, incorporate more acoustic or stripped-down versions of her songs, include more instrumental breaks to give herself rest periods, feature guest performers to share the stage (she's doing more of this), and perhaps even use backing vocals more extensively to support her voice. These adjustments could help her provide a better show that is possible under her circumstances. There are tons of possibilities.
She can do better, but acknowledging her Lyme disease is not just an excuse from the fans, it's a fact. Let's not be insensitive.
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Post by ame · 雨 on May 23, 2024 20:45:51 GMT
It's not the thread but since the flames are here for obvious reasons i wanted to propose something.
- Contact her directly or her team.
Let me explain: this is a common tactic used in kpop where fandoms pretty much sum their dislikings for whatever reason, they write a letter and they send it to the group's company / discography. It's pretty much an "official statement" representing the whole fandom. It can range from different topics such as not enough promotion, bad quality in music (yes...and lol haha), controversies, or maybe just demanding something.
Bandaids has the advantage of being a well known name in the fandom and even by Avril herself. Writing an official statement regarding the lack of communication, lack of listening to what the fandom wants, Greatest hits album with zero new songs, GH tour setlist being too short, discontent with lyric themes....the list goes on, you name it. It could be anything.
I know already most of you will disagree but it's an aoption and could be discussed at least. They heard us when we complained about the charity online concert and we just complained on instagram, no statement or anything. Posting this complaint on all social media and asking for share will get her attention for sure. Obviously there's the risk of being bad publicity to her and other media outlets profiting on this and writing bad about her (which we all want to avoid). Another option would be to send this privately or idk...
It's just a thought i had bc yes....the discontent on this fandom for the last 10 years is big and rightfully so. And i've seen things drastically change in these kpop groups just because the fans spoke about it loudly.
I would love to hear your thoughts about this crazy idea. Thing is: she doesn't even give us the bare minimum anymore bc this GH era is not for us....not even for her casual listeners, it's just to make money or something, God knows... xD
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Post by giveuwhatulike on May 23, 2024 20:50:20 GMT
If Lyme has anything to do with this, she will have a really hard time this summer because the dates are too close to each other. If this is part of the problem, she should just say it. We know it's something personal, but she could get more sympathy just for being honest.
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Post by aprilvineyard on May 23, 2024 20:55:26 GMT
I mean, it's not unexpected to think that she's performing this way after being sick because that's when it all started. And nobody needs to talk about their struggles, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to be defined by her diagnosis, and that's understandable. I don't think we need to pressure her to talk about her health more than she already did and expected her to always state that she's feeling sick all the time or more than she already did from 2016 to 2019, in interviews, letters, etc. She made it 100% clear that this is a lifelong health problem. It's chronicle and it's probably forever. We all know that. That's not a surprise. I don't think it is an excuse, and I also think it's kind of disrespectful to ignore something that we all know is true. However, at the same time, considering her health status and possible limitations, she could adapt by singing slower songs instead of just high-energy bangers. She could do medleys, incorporate more acoustic or stripped-down versions of her songs, include more instrumental breaks to give herself rest periods, feature guest performers to share the stage (she's doing more of this), and perhaps even use backing vocals more extensively to support her voice. These adjustments could help her provide a better show that is possible under her circumstances. There are tons of possibilities. She can do better, but acknowledging her Lyme disease is not just an excuse from the fans, it's a fact. Let's not be insensitive. You make a great point. My concern is just that if she is not honest, and she pretends that everything is going great, but she's giving fans such low quality they're going to be angry. They already are, and she is going to lose fans. Being honest would just at least help with that aspect of it. But you're right she should not have to. I'm just saying there will be consequences if she isn't honest or doesn't just take a break when she needs it. |
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 23, 2024 20:55:43 GMT
I have to agree. I saw her in 2019 and it was obvious Lyme had affected her. She couldn’t be as energetic as before. I think Lyme has permanently affected her more than she is willing to admit. That being said, as stated above, she needs to adapt her shows to her current abilities if that’s the case. It feels like she is still doing the MFP thing because it’s her brand and all she’s known for and maybe she’s afraid to change it. But it’s very obvious she doesn’t have the energy for it anymore.
I saw Andrea Bocelli in concert earlier this year, he is nearly 70 I think. He took breaks every few songs and had other performers come out. Now obviously Avril isn’t quite at that condition yet she needs to be doing that, but there’s definitely ways she can adjust her setlist to give herself resting periods.
The problem is it doesn’t matter what she wants to do or what the fans want her to do. The contracts are in place and she’s contractually obligated to perform, barring something severe happens like doctors orders to postpone the tour due to a serious health matter, or something like COVID happens shutting down all touring. There will be no such “poll” where she asks fans if we want her to still play or not, if there is money to be made the answer will always be yes, no matter what condition she’s in. That is the sad truth. Just as she continued with the AL tour even though she was severely ill. We don’t even know if she’s actually sick or she’s just simply not cut out for this anymore. She was in rehearsals leading up to this, and she has shared that she does work out beforehand. She sounded pretty good during her performance with Nate Smith. Everyone has off days and we can only hope maybe this was one of them. If the next few shows go the same way as this one I’d start to worry.
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Post by blackmage on May 23, 2024 20:59:57 GMT
If Lyme has anything to do with this, she will have a really hard time this summer because the dates are too close to each other. If this is part of the problem, she should just say it. We know it's something personal, but she could get more sympathy just for being honest. I don't believe yesterday's concert problems were solely due to Lyme disease. It's not like a cold that comes and goes. I think all of her concerts since the second half of The Avril Lavigne Tour have been impacted by it. She has already made it clear that it's a lifelong problem, so I don't think she needs to talk about it again if she doesn't want it cause she spent 4 years talking about this. I think at this point, this was supposed to be clear. It can't be just a coincidence that her tour issues started after it. However, as I mentioned earlier, she can do better than that. She can put more effort into delivering a better show under her circumstances. They just need to be more creative and have the will to change and innovate. |
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 23, 2024 21:01:48 GMT
It's not the thread but since the flames are here for obvious reasons i wanted to propose something. - Contact her directly or her team. Let me explain: this is a common tactic used in kpop where fandoms pretty much sum their dislikings for whatever reason, they write a letter and they send it to the group's company / discography. It's pretty much an "official statement" representing the whole fandom. It can range from different topics such as not enough promotion, bad quality in music (yes...and lol haha), controversies, or maybe just demanding something. Bandaids has the advantage of being a well known name in the fandom and even by Avril herself. Writing an official statement regarding the lack of communication, lack of listening to what the fandom wants, Greatest hits album with zero new songs, GH tour setlist being too short, discontent with lyric themes....the list goes on, you name it. It could be anything. I know already most of you will disagree but it's an aoption and could be discussed at least. They heard us when we complained about the charity online concert and we just complained on instagram, no statement or anything. Posting this complaint on all social media and asking for share will get her attention for sure. Obviously there's the risk of being bad publicity to her and other media outlets profiting on this and writing bad about her (which we all want to avoid). Another option would be to send this privately or idk... It's just a thought i had bc yes....the discontent on this fandom for the last 10 years is big and rightfully so. And i've seen things drastically change in these kpop groups just because the fans spoke about it loudly. I would love to hear your thoughts about this crazy idea. Thing is: she doesn't even give us the bare minimum anymore bc this GH era is not for us....not even for her casual listeners, it's just to make money or something, God knows... xD Not gonna lie, I think this approach is immature and childish. The fans make their opinions known plenty just by commenting on her social media. Whether or not anybody sees those comments or takes them into account is another matter. At the end of the day we can complain all we want about this or that but we also aren’t entitled to anything and writing such “letters” comes across as exactly that. The more effective and easier approach is to just stop supporting what she puts out. Don’t buy the GH, don’t buy the concert tickets. Don’t spend your money on what she puts out because that’s really all they care about anyway and if fans continue to still buy everything it doesn’t send any kind of message that we are unsatisfied with the product. I mean… that is just common sense? |
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