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Post by TomX on May 23, 2024 21:09:13 GMT
I don't know. She clearly struggled during the HAW era to the point in which she didn't know if she would tour as per her fan letter when the era started. She still gave it her all at the time. Her energy wasn't the best, but vocals were great and she played piano, guitar and drums on multiple songs.
Moving onto Love Sux, she upped her game even further. The Bite Me performances were amazing, the Alter Ego show was her nearly at her best, and The Roxy performance was probably the most energetic show I was able to witness since 2011. It's almost as if she had never been sick in the first place. It should be pointed out she was a bit more fit at that time, and that might've contributed to giving her more stamina and ability to run and jump while singing. It's not about looking skinnier, it's about training and working you butt off to be able to be a performer and get the crowd pumped while also delivering solid vocals. However, after the Canadian tour, her performances went downhill. She could've been having personal problems at that time, we don't know how long her and ModSun had been in this crisis. But there was a clear decline in the quality of her performances moving into 2023.
I don't know how much we should blame Lyme for this. It's clear it's affected her voice and she's never been able to brush off the nasality in her voice ever since. And it could also be a contributing factor to her running out of breath so easily. But if she just trained a bit more and fully committed to it, I'm 100% sure she'd be able to deliver us the same quality as in the early LS days.
And if Lyme was such a huge factor, she wouldn't have embarked on this GH tour that she was in no obligation to do. This is the first time in her career she didn't have to tour since she wasn't promoting a new album, but still decided to go for it. That's what strikes me.
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Post by mondragon on May 23, 2024 21:12:04 GMT
She’s posted on Instagram and the comments are negative. You would think her management would see that and provide some feedback to Avril at least.
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Post by Brainwashed on May 23, 2024 21:17:32 GMT
Yeah I'm seeing its mostly about the setlist length which is understandable
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Post by blackmage on May 23, 2024 21:19:08 GMT
I mean, it's not unexpected to think that she's performing this way after being sick because that's when it all started. And nobody needs to talk about their struggles, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to be defined by her diagnosis, and that's understandable. I don't think we need to pressure her to talk about her health more than she already did and expected her to always state that she's feeling sick all the time or more than she already did from 2016 to 2019, in interviews, letters, etc. She made it 100% clear that this is a lifelong health problem. It's chronicle and it's probably forever. We all know that. That's not a surprise. I don't think it is an excuse, and I also think it's kind of disrespectful to ignore something that we all know is true. However, at the same time, considering her health status and possible limitations, she could adapt by singing slower songs instead of just high-energy bangers. She could do medleys, incorporate more acoustic or stripped-down versions of her songs, include more instrumental breaks to give herself rest periods, feature guest performers to share the stage (she's doing more of this), and perhaps even use backing vocals more extensively to support her voice. These adjustments could help her provide a better show that is possible under her circumstances. There are tons of possibilities. She can do better, but acknowledging her Lyme disease is not just an excuse from the fans, it's a fact. Let's not be insensitive. You make a great point. My concern is just that if she is not honest, and she pretends that everything is going great, but she's giving fans such low quality they're going to be angry. They already are, and she is going to lose fans. Being honest would just at least help with that aspect of it. But you're right she should not have to. I'm just saying there will be consequences if she isn't honest or doesn't just take a break when she needs it. Honestly, I think she's already made her stance clear, but some fans choose to ignore it because they are tied to their memories of the old Avril. I remember during Head Above Water, she wrote a letter clearly expressing her lack of confidence about touring and requested patience due to the impact on her body and that Lyme symptoms come and go, sometimes she is fine, sometimes she is not. I remember she said it's not stable. She mentioned that it was a slow process for her to return to her previous state. I don't believe she needs to continuously address this every time she makes an announcement. When things are harder than usual, she is honest like during that Germany concert when she said she has lot her voice. I don't want people to misunderstand me and think I'm saying her setlist is fine or whatever. It's definitely NOT! lol. As I said, adaptation is the way, and she's not doing it, which is a major problem specially after 2 messy tours. However, I understand if she doesn't want to talk about Lyme anymore because she has already addressed that. It's nothing new. |
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 23, 2024 21:21:14 GMT
I’m seeing comments that the sound was really off, that her voice was being drowned out by other things. Hopefully it was just a rough night and they can get it together.
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Post by aprilvineyard on May 23, 2024 21:24:42 GMT
I don't know, maybe she shouldn't have been out drinking her ass off with nate smith so soon before the start of tour if her health is such a concern still. Just would be great to show up ready to do her best!
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Post by geelicon on May 23, 2024 21:25:34 GMT
We must admit something, 15 tracks live is the nowadays Avril's top. Or we get it or pass on being her fan.
Also, Avril never made a show longer than 18 full songs. Even on the best nights of The Best Damn Tour in Asia, we got 19.... but with some cropped songs.
I hope she will get better on her voice and start rotating songs during the shows.
If she feels not enough energy, she needs to make an acoustic set: Keep Holding On, Nobody's Home, Wish you were here and even Breakaway could make it. This could help her to catch her breath again.
But we never had up long shows with her so why expect'em from her after Lyme?
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Post by giveuwhatulike on May 23, 2024 21:33:36 GMT
Some of the comments there are really harsh 😬
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Post by snapshot on May 23, 2024 21:33:41 GMT
WTH… she actually looks and sounds drunk in those videos, or like she’s taken some strong meds that have spaced her out.
Tbh 15 songs was what I was expecting, it’s Avril at the end of the day, i always feel like she wants to get off stage as quick as she can. What I dont understand is why none of this is fed back to her? Or if it is then why doesn’t she change it? I have a feeling her team probably worship her and tell her she’s doing a stellar job.
This was a great opportunity for her to do something extremely special for her fans, but it’s not like Avril to miss a great opportunity right 😜
Well at least she’s lining her pockets with more money from her fans!
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Post by Anti on May 23, 2024 21:41:11 GMT
WTH… she actually looks and sounds drunk in those videos, or like she’s taken some strong meds that have spaced her out. Tbh 15 songs was what I was expecting, it’s Avril at the end of the day, i always feel like she wants to get off stage as quick as she can. What I dont understand is why none of this is fed back to her? Or if it is then why doesn’t she change it? I have a feeling her team probably worship her and tell her she’s doing a stellar job. This was a great opportunity for her to do something extremely special for her fans, but it’s not like Avril to miss a great opportunity right 😜 Well at least she’s lining her pockets with more money from her fans! The comments on her instagram post are loud. for once, it’s not just BA being childish moaners. Seems to be a universal opinion. |
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Post by gabe on May 23, 2024 21:43:08 GMT
at some point the fans would start complaining in the posts... come on, guys... this tour is identical to LS and all her other recent tours. It's hard to defend.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on May 23, 2024 21:45:36 GMT
It baffles me that she asked for fan requests when the tour was announced and yet I’m sure nobody was asking for these, outside of the usual few people who ask for SB and GF as if she isn’t going to play them. That was probably 80% of the responses so she assumed that’s all fans wanted to hear lol Fans should be also smarter to request unusual songs 😭😭😭 Old Bandaids staff meet her backstage at EVERY tour and they dont it. So dont expect a random fan invited from the audience to do it too  |
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Post by gabbox on May 23, 2024 21:46:42 GMT
I mean, it's not unexpected to think that she's performing this way after being sick because that's when it all started. And nobody needs to talk about their struggles, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to be defined by her diagnosis, and that's understandable. I don't think we need to pressure her to talk about her health more than she already did and expected her to always state that she's feeling sick all the time or more than she already did from 2016 to 2019, in interviews, letters, etc. She made it 100% clear that this is a lifelong health problem. It's chronicle and it's probably forever. We all know that. That's not a surprise. I don't think it is an excuse, and I also think it's kind of disrespectful to ignore something that we all know is true. However, at the same time, considering her health status and possible limitations, she could adapt by singing slower songs instead of just high-energy bangers. She could do medleys, incorporate more acoustic or stripped-down versions of her songs, include more instrumental breaks to give herself rest periods, feature guest performers to share the stage (she's doing more of this), and perhaps even use backing vocals more extensively to support her voice. These adjustments could help her provide a better show that is possible under her circumstances. There are tons of possibilities. She can do better, but acknowledging her Lyme disease is not just an excuse from the fans, it's a fact. Let's not be insensitive. I agree, Lyme is definitely not an excuse, because it's not like she did such a long or particular show during the Black Star Tour. And she had 4 albums and about 50 songs to pick. I agree with you Lyme is not an excuse and I don't think fans who travel and spend money fro flights, hotels and tickets can be called insensitive if they ask for more than those 14, 15 songs. At the end of the day it's also up to the artist how much to "give" to their fans who follow and support him/her. If she struggles physically, nobody asks her to do so many shows, do less, but better. |
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Post by oneofthoseguys on May 23, 2024 21:46:57 GMT
Yeah I'm seeing its mostly about the setlist length which is understandable Then we all know what shes gonna do: include Nobodys Home and WYWYH on guitar, barely rehearsaled to shut the negative comments. Its always the same response that she does. Fans who always defend her will see this old gesture as a genuine movement 🤣 |
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Post by bluevelvet on May 23, 2024 21:49:17 GMT
The last tour she gave the audience lack of energy in south america, but then met her friends in Europe and felt happy once again, unprofessional as always.
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