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Post by mondragon on May 25, 2024 12:40:16 GMT
Is the "remarkable show" in the room with us? I really don't want to hop on the argument bandwagon, but have you ever seen any other legacy act concerts before? A lot of them are really REALLY awful, like the singer has completely lost their voice awful, like they refuse to play their most popular songs awful, like they turn the concert into an oppurtunity to spew their politics for half the set awful. In comparison to many of her two-decades+ in the industry peers, yes this is a remarkable tour. Like I said, be thankful, but if you don't think the concert is worth the price of admission, then don't go, it's really not that big of a deal. Hmm not sure I agree with this. I could probably list more artists with the same or longer career span as Avrils who are still touring and giving it their all: Pink Beyoncé Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Foo Fighters Greenday Kylie Minogue Paul McCartney The Rolling Stones Dolly Parton The Eagles Just an added point - I’ve seen Billy Joel live who is 75 years old. In the concert he asks the audience what songs they want him to play. I mean he is in a different league as a musician
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 25, 2024 12:55:24 GMT
I think the other reason fans are annoyed with her is that it’s one thing if Lyme has permanently affected her in some way, or she is sick one day, she loses her voice one day due to illness - that’s understandable and most fans are understanding in those situations. She’s human and sometimes these things happen.
What’s not ok is when she says she stays up all night drinking or she’s lost her voice but then posts a video of herself smoking a joint. There’s a difference between things that happen beyond her control but she’s at least making an effort to recover versus her just simply not taking good care of herself and then as a result becomes sick or actively makes it worse by drinking and smoking. Fans pay their hard earned money to see her, it’s the bare minimum for her to make sure she shows up each concert ready to perform and at the best she can be that day.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on May 25, 2024 13:23:43 GMT
I feel like she's going to sing NH tonight UMS anniversary is listed as may 25 on her website
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Post by Anti on May 25, 2024 13:35:16 GMT
Omg when did all this UMS 20 year stuff drop?!?
I want it all.
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Post by Jimmyzz on May 25, 2024 13:44:58 GMT
Omg when did all this UMS 20 year stuff drop?!? I want it all. These new UMS lyric videos dropped @ midnight
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Post by gabbox on May 25, 2024 14:34:49 GMT
How cool would it be if she announced the Anniversary tonight at her show ? considering today is the anniversary
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Post by oneofthoseguys on May 25, 2024 14:36:57 GMT
I really don't want to hop on the argument bandwagon, but have you ever seen any other legacy act concerts before? A lot of them are really REALLY awful, like the singer has completely lost their voice awful, like they refuse to play their most popular songs awful, like they turn the concert into an oppurtunity to spew their politics for half the set awful. In comparison to many of her two-decades+ in the industry peers, yes this is a remarkable tour. Like I said, be thankful, but if you don't think the concert is worth the price of admission, then don't go, it's really not that big of a deal. Hmm not sure I agree with this. I could probably list more artists with the same or longer career span as Avrils who are still touring and giving it their all: Pink Beyoncé Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Foo Fighters Greenday Kylie Minogue Paul McCartney The Rolling Stones Dolly Parton The Eagles Just an added point - I’ve seen Billy Joel live who is 75 years old. In the concert he asks the audience what songs they want him to play. I mean he is in a different league as a musician How about Alanis Morissette? I went to her concert last year and that was the experience of my life. This woman is a goddess on stage. It was the "Jagged Little Pill" 25th Anniversary Tour. She played the whole Jagged Little Pill album (13 tracks) + Uninvited and Thank You (post JLP singles) + 3 songs of her latest album (2020). She also included some ethereal acapellas (Hands Clean, Everything, Sympathetic Caracther, Losing The Plot, Nemesis) between songs. And she's 49. She has 3 kids and she's touring since her 1991.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on May 25, 2024 14:44:14 GMT
Then don't go? If you know you're not going to enjoy the show and you know its not going to be a great then don't go, simple or don't complain about it People pay a huge amount of money for tickets months and months before they have any idea what the setlist will be. “Just don’t go” isn’t an argument against her delivering the bare minimum constantly! These are fans. They WANT to see her. They WANT to see a good show. They’ll probably have a good enough time regardless, but that still doesn’t mean she isn’t delivering the absolute bare minimum and disrespecting paying fans Thank u for your sanity on this forum. People still defend Avril here as if we were in 2004. We are beggin her to the bare minimum on stage and in her career. Its NOT like we were requesting a 3 hours long show like Taylor Swift (Bandaids main reference 🤣).
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Post by lucasm on May 25, 2024 15:04:41 GMT
Honestly guys I think all of this uproar is kind of absurd and ridiculous. I know there’s some notable artists who have truly and remarkably redefined the length that the “prime” can last, but I think these artist have tricked yall into thinking it’s the norm not the exception. Artists usually last about 10 years before the grueling realities of the music business sap most of the passion, inspiration, creativity, and joy that got them into the business in the first place. The {record album -> promote album -> tour -> back again} cycle is a draining experience, you throw in a couple divorces and a chronic disease in there and well. Point is, you follow that timeline and the “prime” of Avril’s music career ended somewhere inbetween GL and AL, and let’s be honest that lines up pretty well. I doubt she has enjoyed or felt the same kind passion for writing/recording music, and definitely for touring, since, and that is 100% OK and totally normal. Yes she’s still only in her late 30s, but she’s been doing this for over two decades now, to be honest we should really be very thankful that she’s still even touring and putting out music that’s not completely half assed at all, because a ton of artists 22 years in are too burned out to even do that. She’s also taken great care of herself and not gotten hooked on drugs or anything like that, we should be thankful that her mind and voice are as healthy as they are. For those that got to see her live during the “prime” years, you are lucky to have experienced it, for those who didn’t, we are lucky she came up in an era to where there are boatloads of high quality concert videos from that time to watch. Memories and videos are your two options if you want to see that level of Avril concert, it’s sadly (but not shockingly) too late to see it in person today. Expecting her to come out with that same level of high energy and passion when you go to a concert of hers now, I just think is really setting yourself up for disappointment. And like others have said, this is not a recent development. However, she is still putting on a remarkable show for this stage in her career, the production looks really impressive and she’s committed to singing all of her big hits every single night, if you want to see her definitely go and enjoy yourself. If you don’t, then don’t. The hate and anger is just kinda getting out of hand, there is nothing you can say or do to make Avril perform like she’s 19 again, and she shouldn’t feel pressured to. Thanks for saying that. Many of Avril's fans are toxic and live in the past. Avril is still fantastic for being free, for not being a drug addict, a gossipy artist and on the contrary: she is always telling us to be who we are and have a free spirit, young and not afraid of changing. This is fantastic. She will be 40, not 20. She has Lyme, a degenerative disease, not a simple flu. Le's be humans. Godbye Lullaby would easily be a current Taylor Swift album and would be very successful. I have the strong impression that Avril was also unhappy with the violent music industry that was that period. And the motherfucking princess brand has always been her brand, even though she has experimented with other styles (natural for any artist). The industry has always been very cruel to her, even at her peak LG-UMS-TBDT, which paved the styles of several bands and artists who, surprisingly, are IDENTICAL to their aesthetics and music today. Now that she is iconic, Avril have to take advantage of that. Again. Thanks for saying this. I'm looking forward to seeing this decent production live!
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Post by cefh on May 25, 2024 15:06:59 GMT
I feel bad for her with all the lashing she's been receiving, but tbh she deserves
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Post by katy on May 25, 2024 15:13:56 GMT
People pay a huge amount of money for tickets months and months before they have any idea what the setlist will be. “Just don’t go” isn’t an argument against her delivering the bare minimum constantly! These are fans. They WANT to see her. They WANT to see a good show. They’ll probably have a good enough time regardless, but that still doesn’t mean she isn’t delivering the absolute bare minimum and disrespecting paying fans Thank u for your sanity on this forum. People still defend Avril here as if we were in 2004. We are beggin her to the bare minimum on stage and in her career. It’s NOT like we were requesting a 3 hours long show like Taylor Swift (Bandaids main reference 🤣). Honestly lol. I’ve got 5 gigs booked so far this year for artists of varying career lengths, their most recent setlists (for their own tours) are: Morgan Wallen: 25 songs Alkaline Trio: 20 songs Avril: 15 songs Taylor Swift: 45 songs (appreciate this is a silly amount lol) Megan Moroney: 18 songs Alkaline Trio are probably the closest to where Avril is in her career I guess - 20 songs, a quarter of which are from their new album, the rest is a 50/50-ish mix of hits and lesser known fan favourite songs. Megan Moroney has ONE ALBUM and plays more songs than Avril does. I just don’t know what people want us to be thankful for. She’s coasting - she’s doing the bare minimum she can get away with and has absolutely no regard for the paying fans and what they want to hear or the standard of show they deserve. It’s so frustrating because she could literally give us an extra 20/30 minutes of her time each night and we’d be happy.
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Post by lucasm on May 25, 2024 15:15:41 GMT
About her singing more songs on the GH Tour: she NEEDS to want that, so she doesn't look discouraged. And that means training with the band.
I feel like this point she needs motivation to do. Can a music coach help? Manager? Can a friend tell her this? Is the band willing to talk to her about what the fans want?
More songs means more training with the band. And all fans want that.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on May 25, 2024 15:44:18 GMT
Today's show will tell if she listen to the fans/read comments or not. Please, Avril if you're somehow reading this, if you're going to play nobody's home tonight, you don't need to replace another song with it, just add 3 more songs (the ideal would've been 6, but ok) on this setlist and things will be slighly better for you 😉
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Post by melissavandella on May 25, 2024 15:54:06 GMT
I can totally see her perform NH tonight. Bullying works sometimes.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on May 25, 2024 15:59:20 GMT
Honestly guys I think all of this uproar is kind of absurd and ridiculous. I know there’s some notable artists who have truly and remarkably redefined the length that the “prime” can last, but I think these artist have tricked yall into thinking it’s the norm not the exception. Artists usually last about 10 years before the grueling realities of the music business sap most of the passion, inspiration, creativity, and joy that got them into the business in the first place. The {record album -> promote album -> tour -> back again} cycle is a draining experience, you throw in a couple divorces and a chronic disease in there and well. Point is, you follow that timeline and the “prime” of Avril’s music career ended somewhere inbetween GL and AL, and let’s be honest that lines up pretty well. I doubt she has enjoyed or felt the same kind passion for writing/recording music, and definitely for touring, since, and that is 100% OK and totally normal. Yes she’s still only in her late 30s, but she’s been doing this for over two decades now, to be honest we should really be very thankful that she’s still even touring and putting out music that’s not completely half assed at all, because a ton of artists 22 years in are too burned out to even do that. She’s also taken great care of herself and not gotten hooked on drugs or anything like that, we should be thankful that her mind and voice are as healthy as they are. For those that got to see her live during the “prime” years, you are lucky to have experienced it, for those who didn’t, we are lucky she came up in an era to where there are boatloads of high quality concert videos from that time to watch. Memories and videos are your two options if you want to see that level of Avril concert, it’s sadly (but not shockingly) too late to see it in person today. Expecting her to come out with that same level of high energy and passion when you go to a concert of hers now, I just think is really setting yourself up for disappointment. And like others have said, this is not a recent development. However, she is still putting on a remarkable show for this stage in her career, the production looks really impressive and she’s committed to singing all of her big hits every single night, if you want to see her definitely go and enjoy yourself. If you don’t, then don’t. The hate and anger is just kinda getting out of hand, there is nothing you can say or do to make Avril perform like she’s 19 again, and she shouldn’t feel pressured to. Thanks for saying that. Many of Avril's fans are toxic and live in the past. Avril is still fantastic for being free, for not being a drug addict, a gossipy artist and on the contrary: she is always telling us to be who we are and have a free spirit, young and not afraid of changing. This is fantastic. She will be 40, not 20. She has Lyme, a degenerative disease, not a simple flu. Le's be humans. Godbye Lullaby would easily be a current Taylor Swift album and would be very successful. I have the strong impression that Avril was also unhappy with the violent music industry that was that period. And the motherfucking princess brand has always been her brand, even though she has experimented with other styles (natural for any artist). The industry has always been very cruel to her, even at her peak LG-UMS-TBDT, which paved the styles of several bands and artists who, surprisingly, are IDENTICAL to their aesthetics and music today. Now that she is iconic, Avril have to take advantage of that. Again. Thanks for saying this. I'm looking forward to seeing this decent production live! Hmmm I dont think so. Her fans loved her show back then. I lived all of this. Most of the critiques werent from people who supported her. Things are way different now. Nowadays she can barely put a great show to her loyal fanbase. Fans are toxic to complain about the concerts that they payed for? "Motherfuckin princess" hahaha is that an excuse to dont evolve as an artist and to not improve her shows? Come on! Why is it so hard for you to admit that she's in a comfort zone FOR YEARS? She's lazy about the music for years and way more commited to visuals and to look good on Instagram.
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