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Post by BogoGog24 on May 18, 2016 22:04:09 GMT
It's not just the direction we're concerned about though. The quality of her last album was just not up to par with her previous ones. It seemed lazily thrown together with no clear direction, but besides that, even Avril herself admitted how lazy she was recording the songs and that Chad had to push her to do more takes of the songs, etc. A lot of the writing is lazy, mostly on the MJ songs. The production on them is very cartoonish sounding Disney pop with audible mistakes and glitches in the editing. There is very little album artwork featured and her album thank you ends abruptly without any mention of the fans or a proper sign off. She couldn't even come up with a real title. The whole thing just comes off like no one was interested in making it and it was haphazardly thrown together to appease label heads without a lot of thought or effort or creativity put behind it. When almost all her fans agree it's her worst album, that's really saying something. I'm one of the weirdos that likes AL and I can confirm that IMO it WAS indeed sloppily done and not much effort was put into anything. Those skips in b*tchin' summer though DX Not to mention the unnecessarily and overly edited vocals that encompass the entire record. And the hollow sounding production that adds nothing to the tracks. I'm hoping that if she works with anyone, it'd be max martin or shellback... The songs THEY help make and produce are usually well done 95% of the time. Yeah I mean I like the individual songs of AL on their own but the album as a whole is just a hot mess. I agree with you about Max Martin and Shellback. I know their work was not popular with fans when Avril worked with them on GL but I think if they gave it another shot they could make something great together. They just recently wrote a song with Adele for 25 and while it is much poppier than what she normally does, it still retains elements of her own sound. It doesn't sound like a Britney Spears song, or anything like that. And they did the same thing when they worked with Taylor, it sounded very pop but still very much like Taylor's sound. I think even those who dislike the Max Martin songs have to admit they are better than the Martin Johnson ones.
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Post by Jack on May 18, 2016 22:53:10 GMT
I'm one of the weirdos that likes AL and I can confirm that IMO it WAS indeed sloppily done and not much effort was put into anything. Those skips in b*tchin' summer though DX Not to mention the unnecessarily and overly edited vocals that encompass the entire record. And the hollow sounding production that adds nothing to the tracks. I'm hoping that if she works with anyone, it'd be max martin or shellback... The songs THEY help make and produce are usually well done 95% of the time. Yeah I mean I like the individual songs of AL on their own but the album as a whole is just a hot mess. I agree with you about Max Martin and Shellback. I know their work was not popular with fans when Avril worked with them on GL but I think if they gave it another shot they could make something great together. They just recently wrote a song with Adele for 25 and while it is much poppier than what she normally does, it still retains elements of her own sound. It doesn't sound like a Britney Spears song, or anything like that. And they did the same thing when they worked with Taylor, it sounded very pop but still very much like Taylor's sound. I think even those who dislike the Max Martin songs have to admit they are better than the Martin Johnson ones. That's not too hard to accomplish, though Anyway, I don't dislike Max Martin or its songs, neccesarily, it's just that I'm not too fond of pop hitmakers in general, and much less when it comes to Avril. As a pop producer, he's one of the best, but he's not the kind of producer I would want for Avril.
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Post by StrongSweet on May 19, 2016 7:52:24 GMT
Max Martin is pretty easy to work with, he doesnt only work with sold-out singers but new ones and a little underwelmed ones, he is quite open-minded and GL does turn out pretty good under his hand IMO.
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Post by Cookie Monster on May 19, 2016 9:08:11 GMT
To pull out a quality album, Avril too needs to take a long and painful songwriting process just like other pop singer songwriters like Adele or Taylor Swift did.
Which I'm sure she isn't doing now.
If her 'new music' is going to be released in the end of this year, I think it's very likely that it will flop again.
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Post by StrongSweet on May 19, 2016 9:26:27 GMT
To pull out a quality album, Avril too needs to take a long and painful songwriting process just like other pop singer songwriters like Adele or Taylor Swift did. Which I'm sure she isn't doing now. If her 'new music' is going to be released in the end of this year, I think it's very likely that it will flop again. Not really its because the length of process, no matter how long time you are given, if she doesnt want to improve the songs, then the song wont improve. With reference of making of STT, she basically just wrote and recoreded the song stright with piano. And then wait for or look for a producer to work on instead of herself, I think thats the problem why her songs are so basic as she wont change so much or add so much after the first stage
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Post by Cookie Monster on May 19, 2016 9:31:02 GMT
To pull out a quality album, Avril too needs to take a long and painful songwriting process just like other pop singer songwriters like Adele or Taylor Swift did. Which I'm sure she isn't doing now. If her 'new music' is going to be released in the end of this year, I think it's very likely that it will flop again. Not really its because the length of process, no matter how long time you are given, if she doesnt want to improve the songs, then the song wont improve. With reference of making of STT, she basically just wrote and recoreded the song stright with piano. And then wait for or look for a producer to work on instead of herself, I think thats the problem why her songs are so basic as she wont change so much or add so much after the first stage I just hope she would be more 'desperate' to make music in this era.
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Post by StrongSweet on May 19, 2016 15:43:29 GMT
Not really its because the length of process, no matter how long time you are given, if she doesnt want to improve the songs, then the song wont improve. With reference of making of STT, she basically just wrote and recoreded the song stright with piano. And then wait for or look for a producer to work on instead of herself, I think thats the problem why her songs are so basic as she wont change so much or add so much after the first stage I just hope she would be more 'desperate' to make music in this era. I still believe she deserves one more succes before going slow
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Post by sliperslip on May 19, 2016 19:17:30 GMT
Avril is one of the rarest 00' artist who still stick around.....look at: Destiny's Child,Nelly,Backstreet Boys,Aaliyah,Mya,Eve,Evanescence, Blink 182, Sum 41,O-town,Blue,Westlife,Norah Jones, etc...al of them were big in Avril era...and you can barely hear from them/they don't even do music anymore...Avril is doing just fine,still around
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 19:46:23 GMT
All I have to say is that if there's hope for Hilary Duff after 7+ years, there's hope for Avril after 3.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 19:53:45 GMT
Avril is one of the rarest 00' artist who still stick around.....look at: Destiny's Child,Nelly,Backstreet Boys,Aaliyah,Mya,Eve,Evanescence, Blink 182, Sum 41,O-town,Blue,Westlife,Norah Jones, etc...al of them were big in Avril era...and you can barely hear from them/they don't even do music anymore...Avril is doing just fine,still around I agree. I think there's nothing to worry about her popularity, after she releases 6th album everything will be fine..
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 7:04:06 GMT
Avril is one of the rarest 00' artist who still stick around.....look at: Destiny's Child,Nelly,Backstreet Boys,Aaliyah,Mya,Eve, Evanescence, Blink 182, Sum 41,O-town,Blue,Westlife,Norah Jones, etc...al of them were big in Avril era...and you can barely hear from them/they don't even do music anymore...Avril is doing just fine,still around Evanescence is still around, it's just that Amy is a mother now. And actually she's busier with public music than Avril. (Sorry, couldn't help myself but say that, being a huge fan of Evanescence and all. Don't know about the others.)
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Post by Avengium on May 20, 2016 11:35:37 GMT
If even Avril Fans in AvrilBandaids.boards.net don't want to go to an Avril concert anymore........... The popularity of Avril is only going down. If more and more people cease to care about Avril she will be only a former glory, and not a present day glory.
And groups like Blink-182 and others groups that were great back in 2000's are releasing new Album or these albums are released few months ago.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2016 11:41:41 GMT
Backstreet Boys are still around (Avril opened for them on their US tour in 2014) and Aaliyah died in a plane crash in like 2001. I'm not sure when Sum 41 last released an album but it wasn't that long ago, they still seem to be making music.
There are plenty of examples of artists who were popular at the same time as Avril that are still very active in their careers like Kelly Clarkson, Pink, and Britney Spears so the argument that she is more relevant than artists like Norah Jones or someone who died in a plane crash is really kind of irrelevant. Yes she is more relevant than some of them like Norah or Michelle Branch or Skylar Sweetnam but there's also artists who were popular during her time that have stronger careers right now than she does. She hasn't completely fallen off the face of the earth like some have, but she isn't exactly blowing up the charts with hit singles and touring the world either.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2016 11:44:54 GMT
Oh and the women involved with Destiny's Child are all still making music, they just disbanded to go on to solo careers. One of those women is someone you might have heard of named Beyonce. Again, a pretty weak argument to try to build up Avril's "relevancy" if you ask me.
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Post by In Wonderland on May 20, 2016 12:03:41 GMT
Most of artist/bands from the 90/00s are still active like Avril. Their carriers like Avi has reached their peaks. (Btw Sum41 is in the making or Deryck is making it. Last album came out in 2011 along with GL) Look at Madonna and Cher they manage to shine through everytime they go back on stage, but they aren't huge stars anymore. As long as there are a group of fans still there, any artist can go on for decades. But you can't expect them to beat the most popular new and younger artists. It's the same thing for all artists/bands imo. So long we got the fan base in Brazil/Japan you can almost guarantee that Avril will [be able to] release music. So if she ain't Arina Grande, Taylor Swift and Sia atm, she will never be as popular as she was. In a few years these ladies will also fade a little. And new female singers will take the spotlight. But as said that doesn't mean that they won't release music. Get possible chart toppers, have massive concerts. And some like Avril need to step down a notch to match her level and do the best in the position she's in.
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