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Post by Avengium on Jun 26, 2016 8:40:46 GMT
I know not today but tomorrow I believe that Avril will will rock the whole world again. No matter what happen I will be still a huge fan of her This reminds the Arturian Cycle. "Once and Future King" Both things (the return of Arthur and the return of Avril) with the same amount of reality. Being an indie or an almost unknown commercial artist is not bad or sad if you are happy with your amount of fame (i think).
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Post by Sora空 on Jun 26, 2016 10:30:51 GMT
I think she had no plans for having a popularity right now or in the future maybe it's just a bonus for her if she get more attention in AL6. As fans we want her to be noticed of course since we want this generation recognize her more but I for me I realized it doesn't matter anymore if her popularity is not as huge way back before. I still love her tho. no matter what.
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Post by booknerd on Jun 26, 2016 23:33:20 GMT
Is Avril making daily headlines? No... But she isnt and hasn't been doing anything to warrant that attention anyway... I think a lot of us forget that Avril has been a known name for 14 years now--she's not going to be "all the craze" anymore.
First, she needs a dedicated group to promote her and her projects. She hasn't had much of that on the last few albums. Then again, her last few albums haven't been "all that" either. She's tried to work with Max Martin who is a monster hit maker and it really hasn't panned out the way the record execs wanted. I think what their vision is for Avril and what the long term fans want is very different so no matter how well her team is, if the music is poor, she's not going to be making headlines like say Taylor Swift whose now spent a decade in the spotlight and is still all over the media.
Maybe now would be a good time for her to re-visit her idea of forming a band. Perhaps she could then focus on something new and give people a reason to follow her again. Popularity doesn't seem like it's one of Avril's biggest priorities so why should we feel sad about it? She's probably loving all the quiet and privacy, even the paparazzi leave her alone.
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Post by vancityblackstar on Jul 1, 2016 17:44:33 GMT
Evan once said
"You cant have a comeback if you dont dissppear"
Hes fucking right
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 6:17:33 GMT
Take it easy on the Beave. Jeez.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jul 12, 2016 12:21:29 GMT
Evan once said "You cant have a comeback if you dont dissppear" Hes fucking right Not the case now. Social Media's impact speeds up information flow, people easily forget the passed new so quick
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Post by vancityblackstar on Jul 14, 2016 14:32:49 GMT
I like her under the radar lifestyle. No wonder she vacations at home in Canada. No paparazzi, no harassment.
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Post by StrongSweet on Aug 15, 2016 14:45:30 GMT
Is Avril making daily headlines? No... But she isnt and hasn't been doing anything to warrant that attention anyway... I think a lot of us forget that Avril has been a known name for 14 years now--she's not going to be "all the craze" anymore. First, she needs a dedicated group to promote her and her projects. She hasn't had much of that on the last few albums. Then again, her last few albums haven't been "all that" either. She's tried to work with Max Martin who is a monster hit maker and it really hasn't panned out the way the record execs wanted. I think what their vision is for Avril and what the long term fans want is very different so no matter how well her team is, if the music is poor, she's not going to be making headlines like say Taylor Swift whose now spent a decade in the spotlight and is still all over the media. Maybe now would be a good time for her to re-visit her idea of forming a band. Perhaps she could then focus on something new and give people a reason to follow her again. Popularity doesn't seem like it's one of Avril's biggest priorities so why should we feel sad about it? She's probably loving all the quiet and privacy, even the paparazzi leave her alone. thats why I hope the vision of her team is changing from TBDT. I honestly consider that album as demon of her career
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 20:39:25 GMT
I don't understand why TBDT would have been the demon of her career. It was one of her most successful records. There were lots of factors though. The time between TBDT and GL. The time between GL and AL. The fact that both of her record companies delayed the records. Lack of direction. Lack of promo.
Writing hit singles isn't the issue here either. Despite working with hit makers for GL, there's no denying that what the hell and smile had at least moderate success and radio play. They're good songs IMO. Epic records can't afford working with Max Martin. Either that or they didn't want to spend it on Avril.
Thankfully she won't be working with JKash or whoever anymore either. >>
I'm having faith AL6 will be a coherent body of work.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 15, 2016 22:06:30 GMT
I don't understand why TBDT would have been the demon of her career. It was one of her most successful records. There were lots of factors though. The time between TBDT and GL. The time between GL and AL. The fact that both of her record companies delayed the records. Lack of direction. Lack of promo. Writing hit singles isn't the issue here either. Despite working with hit makers for GL, there's no denying that what the hell and smile had at least moderate success and radio play. They're good songs IMO. Epic records can't afford working with Max Martin. Either that or they didn't want to spend it on Avril. Thankfully she won't be working with JKash or whoever anymore either. >> I'm having faith AL6 will be a coherent body of work. This!!!! To be honest I think a lot of people "blame" TBDT for the decline of her career because of their own biases towards that album. I mean, even as a massive fan of that record, I won't deny it caused problems later on, like her labels wanting her to recreate the success of GF by writing other similar songs, the "immature" image which made her lose lots of fans, etc. but it was also her last really successful era and there is no denying it. She was heavily promoted then and appeared at lots of award shows, TV shows, etc. and she was everywhere. It was when she started to really build her brand as more than just a singer, she also began acting, doing Abbey Dawn, commercials and endorsement deals, etc. which a lot of fans will say was when she "sold out" but come on, she wouldn't be where she is today without having branded herself like she did then and that was basically what I would say was the peak of her career and when she became a full fledged pop superstar. TBDT era was huge for her, whether people want to admit it or love that era or not. I also agree with you that I don't think the "bratty" singles are really to blame that much either. There's always going to be an audience for songs like that, even if it's not her typical audience, there's always going to be people who love that kind of bratty pop music. Other artists like Kesha, Katy, Britney, etc. get away with it, so why can't Avril? Girlfriend, WTH, Smile, HTNGU, and RNR all sold pretty well and in the cases of GF, WTH, and HTNGU in particular they also charted at least top 20 or higher (HTNGU #20, WTH #11, and GF #1). Like you said, the problems lie more with the multiple delays and too much time between albums as well as lack of promo from her label.
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Post by Jack on Aug 15, 2016 22:44:29 GMT
I'm one of those who think TBDT was a short-term success, but a long-term failure. Yes, the album (especially Girlfriend) was a big-time success, but (along with other things that happened during that era) it alienated a big part of her fanbase and she was definitely saw as singer/artist for "teeny-boopers" by general public. While it's true that, as teenager, she was mainly liked by teenagers, she was also liked by young adults and even older people; but that changed with her 3rd album, and from there I only knew a handful (or less) people who liked her and were "old", and I don't count people who started liking her from LG/UMS. And while her last albums/eras weren't as "bratty" and "immature" as TBDT was, she still shows that "funny" (mainly "bratty") image that started with Girlfriend and she leaves her "mature" image behind, with only some of her songs from each album to show. As I said in a previous post, I don't know if it's her fault, or maybe her label's or management. But she's a 30+-year-old twice-married woman who doesn't seem to want to show a consistent more mature image. Of course, I'm not saying she should act like a "granny" and only make ballads or something like that, but why can't she show a more balanced image. If I judge her by her recent AD clothes, she still looks similar to when she released the fashion line in 2008, no real evolution. Yeah, she added (pink) onesies and cupcakes, such mature clothes, eh? I see her working with Zane Carney and I say: "She can't be trying to release a Girlfriend 4.0 with him". But then I remember that material hasn't been approved by Epic and L.A. (not that we know, at least), and she might be "suggested" to do certain things in the studio AGAIN. Sometimes, I don't even know what to think; one day, I see glimpses of the Avril I feel in love with and the one I would want her to be (UMS, GL, "Tripod songs"), and the next day I see glimpses of the Avril I almost stopped being a fan of (TBDT, HK). And while delays had something to do with her low success last two albums, not having a clear image of what she wants to be didn't help either. For GL, the first singles were the opposite of what the album was; and by the time she released the album, people thought it was a "TBDT 2.0" and didn't even bother. And for AL, the album was so "over the place" that nobody could figure out what she was going for with it; at least previous albums had some direction (although GL was kind of ruined), but this one didn't seem to have any. Some would say she's "in the middle of two worlds" where she still wants to be a "pop girl" but at the same time she doesn't wants it. I mean, working with "alternative" producers and then working with "hitmakers"; one day releasing HTNGU or RnR, the next releasing LMG, the next releasing HK, the next releasing GYWYL. I can't blame people for not knowing what expect from her and if they want to remain as fans. And yes, this is like beating a dead horse, but until she releases new music we don't have much to discuss and go forward on this issue/discussion. Sorry for the "rant"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 5:38:10 GMT
Good points. I must admit the Avril in HK is 180 off from the Avril in GYWYL. Oddly, I like them both. 😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 11:18:22 GMT
People often mention GL's delay as being a big reason why it flopped. But there were 3 years between UMS and TBDT, and a mere 4 years between TBDT and GL. Clearly there were other factors. A year seems like an eternity when you're younger though, so I don't doubt it made a lot of difference to a lot of fans.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 16, 2016 11:49:16 GMT
The difference though is that Avril was still in the public eye in 2005-2006, she didn't finish touring until late 2005, then made headlines in 2006 with her wedding, plus she had a couple movie roles with Over the Hedge and Fast Food Nation. In 2009 she laid pretty low except when she made headlines for her divorce, then in 2010 she was nowhere to be seen except when she released Alice.
There's also the fact that artists like Katy, Kesha, Taylor, Adele, etc. did not exist yet in 2005-2006 but by 2009-2011 there were so many other big pop artists around and it created a lot of competition. She chose to do a non commercial album at probably the most inopportune time in the music industry.
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Post by StrongSweet on Aug 16, 2016 12:11:15 GMT
I don't understand why TBDT would have been the demon of her career. It was one of her most successful records. There were lots of factors though. The time between TBDT and GL. The time between GL and AL. The fact that both of her record companies delayed the records. Lack of direction. Lack of promo. Writing hit singles isn't the issue here either. Despite working with hit makers for GL, there's no denying that what the hell and smile had at least moderate success and radio play. They're good songs IMO. Epic records can't afford working with Max Martin. Either that or they didn't want to spend it on Avril. Thankfully she won't be working with JKash or whoever anymore either. >> I'm having faith AL6 will be a coherent body of work. This!!!! To be honest I think a lot of people "blame" TBDT for the decline of her career because of their own biases towards that album. I mean, even as a massive fan of that record, I won't deny it caused problems later on, like her labels wanting her to recreate the success of GF by writing other similar songs, the "immature" image which made her lose lots of fans, etc. but it was also her last really successful era and there is no denying it. She was heavily promoted then and appeared at lots of award shows, TV shows, etc. and she was everywhere. It was when she started to really build her brand as more than just a singer, she also began acting, doing Abbey Dawn, commercials and endorsement deals, etc. which a lot of fans will say was when she "sold out" but come on, she wouldn't be where she is today without having branded herself like she did then and that was basically what I would say was the peak of her career and when she became a full fledged pop superstar. TBDT era was huge for her, whether people want to admit it or love that era or not. I also agree with you that I don't think the "bratty" singles are really to blame that much either. There's always going to be an audience for songs like that, even if it's not her typical audience, there's always going to be people who love that kind of bratty pop music. Other artists like Kesha, Katy, Britney, etc. get away with it, so why can't Avril? Girlfriend, WTH, Smile, HTNGU, and RNR all sold pretty well and in the cases of GF, WTH, and HTNGU in particular they also charted at least top 20 or higher (HTNGU #20, WTH #11, and GF #1). Like you said, the problems lie more with the multiple delays and too much time between albums as well as lack of promo from her label. Yeah, there are some people like those bratty songs, but how much they can take? 1 song, 2 songs? Remember how horribly "Smile" done? Also, don't forget the fact that how many times Avril wanted to change direction from TBDT, and what we end up is completely 2 vibes and mood in albums for the 4th and 5th. I cannot promise how many albums she still needs to be threatened for being motherfucking princess, we-don't-give-a-fuck. What threatens ? They are the delay. We have seen 2 times how the label used delay and makes times for themselves to change the music. Still you didn't see the vision from the people in Avril's business ? They wanted something similar to GF and make another No. 1.
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