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Post by MyHappySk8er on May 20, 2020 14:35:46 GMT
So you are advocating that us Americans pressure our government to spend more of our tax dollars on R & D to develop treatments and vaccines to help the world? Well, we are already doing that. We can do both. You’re welcome. What is it we did in Guam that’s raised your ire? I don't want to start a fight, but I feel like I need to mention it. It seems to be the "thing" on the internet to bash the United States. I'm sure you and I both know that America has its flaws, but it does a lot more to help the world than hurt and is better to live in than a strong majority of other countries. PS: I did have a lengthier and harsher response I wanted to post, but I don't feel like starting a fight so I'll leave it at this.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2020 15:25:53 GMT
To steer the conversation back to the original topic at hand (and avoid a fight lol), my state in the US has begun phase 1 of the reopening. Restaurants are allowed to open again, but outdoor seating only, no menus, and everyone including wait staff and customers have to wear masks except when eating obviously. Malls are apparently reopening as well, not sure if it could be limited to only certain stores or if trying on clothes is not allowed. Hair salons and barber shops were due to open today as well but have been pushed back to June 1st I believe. Dentist offices I think are reopening or will be soon but it's similar procedures where everyone has to wear a mask when you check in and I think you probably have to wait in your car and they'll text you when to come inside.
We are supposed to hear maybe this week from the Archbishop about when churches can reopen, they say it could be outdoor masses only for churches that can accommodate that. No communion given out, no holy water, no handshaking.
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2020 17:01:29 GMT
So you are advocating that us Americans pressure our government to spend more of our tax dollars on R & D to develop treatments and vaccines to help the world? Well, we are already doing that. We can do both. You’re welcome. What is it we did in Guam that’s raised your ire? "Operation Warp Speed" has some nice funding, around 10 billion, compared to European Union's 8 billion (note that I don't know how much U.S. nor EU or its member states contributed before the two projects commenced), I'm saying that the military funding under anti-WMD agenda is either a sham, a scam, or gross incompetence, and that no voter anywhere should tolerate such money pits. And regarding Guam - I'm talking about how pentagon "handled" the outbreak among sailors on the carrier - as if there wasn't a contingency plan existing for such a scenario at all. So you are advocating that us Americans pressure our government to spend more of our tax dollars on R & D to develop treatments and vaccines to help the world? Well, we are already doing that. We can do both. You’re welcome. What is it we did in Guam that’s raised your ire? I don't want to start a fight, but I feel like I need to mention it. It seems to be the "thing" on the internet to bash the United States. I'm sure you and I both know that America has its flaws, but it does a lot more to help the world than hurt and is better to live in than a strong majority of other countries. PS: I did have a lengthier and harsher response I wanted to post, but I don't feel like starting a fight so I'll leave it at this. Don't worry, I also often bash European economic policy fanatics endorsing hurtful dogmas such as austerity politics, deranged eastern authoritarian gremlins trying to pull their countries back to 1937, passive social democrats of Central Europe giving in to right-wing economic blunders, and much more. But that's not the point here, I wanted to emphasize that given how much and how far and wide we could hear US military discuss the need of being prepared to tackle the danger of "chemical, biological and nuclear terrorism", and touting itself to be by far the most prepared in the world, we can now see that at the moment it seems as if Oxford University will prove itself to be more useful than anything connected to the pentagon, if they really do deliver 30 million doses of working vaccine by September.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 17:49:00 GMT
So you are advocating that us Americans pressure our government to spend more of our tax dollars on R & D to develop treatments and vaccines to help the world? Well, we are already doing that. We can do both. You’re welcome. What is it we did in Guam that’s raised your ire? "Operation Warp Speed" has some nice funding, around 10 billion, compared to European Union's 8 billion (note that I don't know how much U.S. nor EU or its member states contributed before the two projects commenced), I'm saying that the military funding under anti-WMD agenda is either a sham, a scam, or gross incompetence, and that no voter anywhere should tolerate such money pits. And regarding Guam - I'm talking about how pentagon "handled" the outbreak among sailors on the carrier - as if there wasn't a contingency plan existing for such a scenario at all. I don't want to start a fight, but I feel like I need to mention it. It seems to be the "thing" on the internet to bash the United States. I'm sure you and I both know that America has its flaws, but it does a lot more to help the world than hurt and is better to live in than a strong majority of other countries. PS: I did have a lengthier and harsher response I wanted to post, but I don't feel like starting a fight so I'll leave it at this. Don't worry, I also often bash European economic policy fanatics endorsing hurtful dogmas such as austerity politics, deranged eastern authoritarian gremlins trying to pull their countries back to 1937, passive social democrats of Central Europe giving in to right-wing economic blunders, and much more. But that's not the point here, I wanted to emphasize that given how much and how far and wide we could hear US military discuss the need of being prepared to tackle the danger of "chemical, biological and nuclear terrorism", and touting itself to be by far the most prepared in the world, we can now see that at the moment it seems as if Oxford University will prove itself to be more useful than anything connected to the pentagon, if they really do deliver 30 million doses of working vaccine by September. Your disdain for US policy and her contributions is well known. We get it, you hate us. The anti-WMD issue is ancient history now so what's your point? And had the Captain of the aircraft carrier not broken protocol then the public would not know what is going on on our ships like everyone else's around the world. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just stating the obvious facts. It is for tactical advantage that militaries keep things quiet; the old "loose lips sink ships" thing. But never doubt that the US will always be ready to defend you again, if necessary. Like I said, you're welcome.
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 20, 2020 17:53:06 GMT
I don't know why it took so long to transfer sailors infected with coronavirus off the aircraft carrier. I don't know who is responsible for that. But, it's being investigated. We'll see. My top three places I don't want to be, during a pandemic, are in a prison, a nursing home or an aircraft carrier. Actually, those are my top three places I never want to be, ever. But, especially during a pandemic. Most crew members on a carrier don't even get their own beds. They share them in shifts. Space is at a premium and nothing like social distancing is even remotely possible. I would prefer we didn't dwell on politics, as it relates to the current problem. But, it is relevant. We have to be civil about it. So, what was the Pentagon's reaction, contingency plan? I don't think it's fair to fault the Pentagon. That is not within the scope of the U.S. military's mission. Their primary purpose is to kill people and break their things. They are pretty good at that. They are trained and equipped to do that in nuclear, biological and chemical environments, to a certain degree. Dealing with a pandemic is strictly a civilian medical matter. And, the U.S. could have and should have, been better prepared. How much of U.S. budget should be spent on the military is always open for debate. But, probably not in this thread. When we were attacked, from within, in the case of the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, that was a civilian law enforcement matter. When the World Trade Center was taken down, U.S. forces were sent overseas to kill people and break their things. The Posse Comitatus Act restricts the way U.S. forces can be deployed within our borders. And finally, there really is good reason to believe there is progress in the development of a vaccine. I find it fascinating.
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2020 18:02:17 GMT
"Operation Warp Speed" has some nice funding, around 10 billion, compared to European Union's 8 billion (note that I don't know how much U.S. nor EU or its member states contributed before the two projects commenced), I'm saying that the military funding under anti-WMD agenda is either a sham, a scam, or gross incompetence, and that no voter anywhere should tolerate such money pits. And regarding Guam - I'm talking about how pentagon "handled" the outbreak among sailors on the carrier - as if there wasn't a contingency plan existing for such a scenario at all. Don't worry, I also often bash European economic policy fanatics endorsing hurtful dogmas such as austerity politics, deranged eastern authoritarian gremlins trying to pull their countries back to 1937, passive social democrats of Central Europe giving in to right-wing economic blunders, and much more. But that's not the point here, I wanted to emphasize that given how much and how far and wide we could hear US military discuss the need of being prepared to tackle the danger of "chemical, biological and nuclear terrorism", and touting itself to be by far the most prepared in the world, we can now see that at the moment it seems as if Oxford University will prove itself to be more useful than anything connected to the pentagon, if they really do deliver 30 million doses of working vaccine by September. Your disdain for US policy and her contributions is well known. We get it, you hate us. The anti-WMD issue is ancient history now so what's your point? And had the Captain of the aircraft carrier not broken protocol then the public would not know what is going on on our ships and everyone else's around the world. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just stating the obvious facts. It is for tactical advantage that militaries keep things quiet; the old "loose lips sink ships" thing. But never doubt that the US will always be ready to defend you again, if necessary . Like I said, you're welcome. Thanks for a good laugh, I needed it I don't know why it took so long to transfer sailors infected with coronavirus off the aircraft carrier. I don't know who is responsible for that. But, it's being investigated. We'll see. My top three places I don't want to be, during a pandemic, are in a prison, a nursing home or an aircraft carrier. Actually, those are my top three places I never want to be, ever. But, especially during a pandemic. Most crew members on a carrier don't even get their own beds. They share them in shifts. Space is at a premium and nothing like social distancing is even remotely possible. I would prefer we didn't dwell on politics, as it relates to the current problem. But, it is relevant. We have to be civil about it. So, what was the Pentagon's reaction, contingency plan? I don't think it's fair to fault the Pentagon. That is not within the scope of the U.S. military's mission. Their primary purpose is to kill people and break their things. They are pretty good at that. They are trained and equipped to do that in nuclear, biological and chemical environments, to a certain degree. Dealing with a pandemic is strictly a civilian medical matter. And, the U.S. could have and should have, been better prepared. How much of U.S. budget should be spent on the military is always open for debate. But, probably not in this thread. When we were attacked, from within, in the case of the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, that was a civilian law enforcement matter. When the World Trade Center was taken down, U.S. forces were sent overseas to kill people and break their things. The Posse Comitatus Act restricts the way U.S. forces can be deployed within our borders. And finally, there really is good reason to believe there is progress in the development of a vaccine. I find it fascinating. Things occurring in US civilian, internal environment might not be military matter by itself, but surely if the military had some kind of capabilities developed to mitigate the epidemic within the states, they would've offered it, and if they would've been prepared, they wouldn't end up with the carrier at Guam in such a situation. Well, that's just my take..
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 18:38:16 GMT
Like Bob said, the Posse Comitatus (impressed UB ), prevents our military per the US Constitution from doing much inside our borders. That’s why we aren’t’ Russia or Brazil, etc. The virus caught the whole damn world with it’s pants down. Every country. It’s brand new and novel. Shit happens, as they say.
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 20, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
Like Bob said, the Posse Comitatus (impressed UB ), prevents our military per the US Constitution from doing much inside our borders. That’s why we aren’t’ Russia or Brazil, etc. Actually, The Posse Comitatus Act was passed after our Civil War. It's not in The Constitution. It seems most people didn't think it was a good idea to have Yankee soldiers enforcing civilian law, in rebel territory.
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Post by katy on May 20, 2020 21:30:00 GMT
All I know is if I knew this was going to happen I wouldn’t have dyed my hair last year. I’ve never missed my hairdresser more.
And oxford uni are fab, the wonderful bunch of nerds.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 22:09:18 GMT
Like Bob said, the Posse Comitatus (impressed UB ), prevents our military per the US Constitution from doing much inside our borders. That’s why we aren’t’ Russia or Brazil, etc. Actually, The Posse Comitatus Act was passed after our Civil War. It's not in The Constitution. It seems most people didn't think it was a good idea to have Yankee soldiers enforcing civilian law, in rebel territory. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 22:09:35 GMT
All I know is if I knew this was going to happen I wouldn’t have dyed my hair last year. I’ve never missed my hairdresser more. And oxford uni are fab, the wonderful bunch of nerds. Ha! 🤣
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2020 22:26:19 GMT
All I know is if I knew this was going to happen I wouldn’t have dyed my hair last year. I’ve never missed my hairdresser more. And oxford uni are fab, the wonderful bunch of nerds. I might forgive you all for the Brexit, if Oxford rolls out vaccine in September. I'll certainly buy a bottle of Spitfire, despite its awful taste .
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Post by Uncle Bob on May 20, 2020 23:55:44 GMT
Thanks for pointing that out. If it makes you feel better, I'll point out my mistake. I referred to the USS Theodore Roosevelt as an aircraft carrier. It's not. It's a destroyer.
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Post by Duwod on May 21, 2020 3:42:24 GMT
I don’t want to say anything about the discussion above (absolutely not my cup of tea lol), so here the situation in Switzerland (20.05. 08:00 in the morning (my time zone lol)): Cases: 30‘658 Deaths: 1630 The reopening has three stages. Two of them are done already. These include the reopening of stores, restaurants, hairdressers, primary schools and so on.. From May 28 on religious places can reopen too. Until June 7 Highschools and universities stay closed and we still cannot have meetings with more than five people. From June 8 on theaters and cinemas can reopen. From the 15 of June the borders reopen to the neighbor countries. And events with more than 1000 people are forbidden until August 31. _______ How do I feel? How is my life going? I think I‘m happy with the decisions they made and I‘m glad that we can start to reopen. I really miss going out without thinking of possibly getting a virus. I miss going to school (I said that a few times) I even miss going to restaurants and to shopping centers and so on.. I have so much to do at home for uni and it is driving me crazy. I really miss being in classrooms listening to the teacher and asking questions. Distance learning with online meetings are cool.. but I just miss actually seeing people. At the same time I‘m already tired of my studies I am really not happy where I am at right now. I am not satisfied with what I do and therefore can‘t wait to finish uni to be able to start somewhere new. I thought of dropping it but I am so close to the ending that I don‘t want the past years to be for nothing. Well.. that was an essay lol I don’t even know if my English was correct through the text and if anything makes sense. I just poured out my thoughts. Phew Hope you all are doing well.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 21, 2020 13:43:53 GMT
I hear you. I’ve been trying to complete my Business Administration degree online since 2017, I still have 6 classes left to go before I’m done next year. It’s so boring and not really in my wheelhouse but I am hopeful that it is a good degree that can open a lot of doors for me for jobs. So I’m not really doing it because I’m passionate about the subject but more because it is a broad enough subject that can apply to many different fields and would be relevant in almost any job. I’m trying to take what I’m learning and apply it, you know since everything is essentially a business.
I was just saying to my boyfriend last night that basically I think until a vaccine is available, which won’t be until next year probably, I think everyone is probably going to contract the virus at some point. Unless you really want to stay at home for months until a vaccine is out. But yeah obviously do all the social distancing rules while out, wear a mask, etc. but I still think we could all end up getting it at some point or other, just like the common cold or flu. It sucks to walk around being paranoid about getting it but unfortunately I think that is the reality that we probably will get it anyway.
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